This is one where I'd love to be wrong and have it stick and buy as many days as possible for as many people as possible!
To me, this is the ballgame. This is the only thing that really matters; that people get more time so whatever help can be gained from the poorly thought out rental assistance program can come to be. That should be fought tooth and nail until it can no longer be fought. Not won, but fought.
It's vital that people don't end up getting kick out of their homes because of the pandemic. That happening is a failure state.
For as angry as I was the other day, I'm just thankful that something is happening.
Brown beat Turner in the Democratic primary in Ohio.
Yay. A transphobe won. Gooooo progressives! It's really frustrating that US politics is such that politicians, at best, pay lip service to the plight of trans people and then when someone complains about it, they're browbeaten for not enthusiastically supporting one of the two major parties which doesn't give a shit about them.
When an election boils down to a choice between two Democrats, the conservative one will almost certainly win because Republicans will vote for that candidate over the more progressive one.
There are no Republicans in Cleveland, basically. To blame Republicans for this result is to ignore the actual problems the left has. Which is that too often they try to appeal to Democrats by hating the Democratic Party. This does not work, and it works less well in communities which are historically loyal to the Democratic Party and actually like it. Notably, the black community.
While this district will never elect a Republican, the Cleveland/Akron CSA is producing fewer dem votes (people leaving) and slightly more Republican votes which is why Ohio is now about the 17th reddest state instead of 24th, and is a solid GOP state despite being more urbanized than New York and California
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Brown beat Turner in the Democratic primary in Ohio.
Yay. A transphobe won. Gooooo progressives! It's really frustrating that US politics is such that politicians, at best, pay lip service to the plight of trans people and then when someone complains about it, they're browbeaten for not enthusiastically supporting one of the two major parties which doesn't give a shit about them.
When an election boils down to a choice between two Democrats, the conservative one will almost certainly win because Republicans will vote for that candidate over the more progressive one.
There are no Republicans in Cleveland, basically. To blame Republicans for this result is to ignore the actual problems the left has. Which is that too often they try to appeal to Democrats by hating the Democratic Party. This does not work, and it works less well in communities which are historically loyal to the Democratic Party and actually like it. Notably, the black community.
While this district will never elect a Republican, the Cleveland/Akron CSA is producing fewer dem votes (people leaving) and slightly more Republican votes which is why Ohio is now about the 17th reddest state instead of 24th, and is a solid GOP state despite being more urbanized than New York and California
Voter suppression thanks to gerrymandering of the state house districts is the main culprit there. Democrats are still competitive in statewide offices but the legislature and election laws make a pink/purple state appear deep red.
Brown beat Turner in the Democratic primary in Ohio.
Yay. A transphobe won. Gooooo progressives! It's really frustrating that US politics is such that politicians, at best, pay lip service to the plight of trans people and then when someone complains about it, they're browbeaten for not enthusiastically supporting one of the two major parties which doesn't give a shit about them.
When an election boils down to a choice between two Democrats, the conservative one will almost certainly win because Republicans will vote for that candidate over the more progressive one.
There are no Republicans in Cleveland, basically. To blame Republicans for this result is to ignore the actual problems the left has. Which is that too often they try to appeal to Democrats by hating the Democratic Party. This does not work, and it works less well in communities which are historically loyal to the Democratic Party and actually like it. Notably, the black community.
While this district will never elect a Republican, the Cleveland/Akron CSA is producing fewer dem votes (people leaving) and slightly more Republican votes which is why Ohio is now about the 17th reddest state instead of 24th, and is a solid GOP state despite being more urbanized than New York and California
Voter suppression thanks to gerrymandering of the state house districts is the main culprit there. Democrats are still competitive in statewide offices but the legislature and election laws make a pink/purple state appear deep red.
I cannot tell you how often I check to see when we get new districts drawn...
Also, today Ralph Warnock and Ted Cruz teamed up on an amendment. The rest of the Senate was shocked speechless long enough to count as unanimous consent.
(Tweet is from NBC News congressional reporter. The amendment funds a new Interstate corridor stretching across the south from Augusta, GA to El Paso, TX.)
...so I-20?
Like, there's already I-20 that goes that route, it just merged into I-10 a ways before El Paso rather than having a duplicate route through mostly empty and inhospitable terrain in West Texas.
The proposed I-14 route would run farther south than I-20 (but north of I-10), allegedly for the purpose of better linking the various military bases along the route.
I live in Alexandria, Louisiana for 9 years. The only reason Alexandria exists so it can be 2 hours from anything at all. An exciting Friday night there is going to Wal-Mart. There's no reason build an interstate highway going through there.
Brown beat Turner in the Democratic primary in Ohio.
Yay. A transphobe won. Gooooo progressives! It's really frustrating that US politics is such that politicians, at best, pay lip service to the plight of trans people and then when someone complains about it, they're browbeaten for not enthusiastically supporting one of the two major parties which doesn't give a shit about them.
When an election boils down to a choice between two Democrats, the conservative one will almost certainly win because Republicans will vote for that candidate over the more progressive one.
There are no Republicans in Cleveland, basically. To blame Republicans for this result is to ignore the actual problems the left has. Which is that too often they try to appeal to Democrats by hating the Democratic Party. This does not work, and it works less well in communities which are historically loyal to the Democratic Party and actually like it. Notably, the black community.
In particular, a large segment of the left believes that having to make their case to the existent power structures within the Democratic Party, specially those built by black people, is beneath them. Their case is just so righteous you see, so people should naturally come to them and if they don't, they are ignorant.
The race had nothing to do with dark money or progressive vs establishment or Bernie/Clyburn. Every national reporter kept pushing this bullshit narrative because none of them knew the district or history of Cuyahoga County politics (except Henry Gomez).
Shontel Brown has been present. Nina Turner has not.
Turner opted to go for Secretary of State after her Senate term was up in 2014. She got thumped and since then she's had almost nothing to do with politics in that district or the state. She was supposed to be co-chair for the state party. She was there for like, a month, and then went to Our Revolution and hasn't been back until now.
Brown has been Fudge's protege for a long time, on county council, and chair of the county party for the past couple of years. That gave her a ton of credibility and name recognition in the district.
Frankly, both of them were terrible candidates. The Marcia Fudge/Frank Jackson sphere has only ever been out for themselves. They've allowed turnout to decrease in 16, 18, and 20 in what is supposed to be a stronghold for Dems. Brown has been right in the middle of that. Turner has been an empty suit personality and in this race, basically a carpetbagger. She wanted the national attention and platform and she got it. But you can't expect to pop back up after 4+ years and think everybody is going to welcome you with open arms.
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
I have to imagine the eviction thing was basically a game of hot potato and the buzzer hit when Biden was holding it.
Yay that he's doing something about it, though.
Kind of? I think it's hot potato in that Biden expected Congress to do something about it, because in his opinion it should be a law and not an executive order. And I think Pelosi expected Biden to do something about it because she knows it won't pass the Senate. They just didn't communicate well, which sucks, but is also a thing that happens when there are a dozen other fires that are being fought.
Not... really, it's not like we're talking about an obscure piece of legislation triggering
I'm glad Biden is doing what he can, something that we had a dozen pages of thread with people insisting he couldn't do, or it was a bad idea for him to try to do. Every day he can buy is another day not on the street for thousands of people
I don't think anyone was saying Biden couldn't do what he's doing at this point.
Speaking for myself, I said that if he does it there will probably be nearly immediate injunctions based on Kavanaugh's signalling in the concurrence. And it'll end up getting struck down when it gets to SCOTUS.
I did say I'd like to at least see them try extending it, but also that since none of us are part of the internal deliberations or know what considerations / risks they are identifying it's not clear if they are looking at other paths or why they aren't doing it.
This is one where I'd love to be wrong and have it stick and buy as many days as possible for as many people as possible!
Me as well!
Can we admit that this wasn't 12d chess but at best a miscommunication between executive and speaker?
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I have to imagine the eviction thing was basically a game of hot potato and the buzzer hit when Biden was holding it.
Yay that he's doing something about it, though.
Kind of? I think it's hot potato in that Biden expected Congress to do something about it, because in his opinion it should be a law and not an executive order. And I think Pelosi expected Biden to do something about it because she knows it won't pass the Senate. They just didn't communicate well, which sucks, but is also a thing that happens when there are a dozen other fires that are being fought.
Not... really, it's not like we're talking about an obscure piece of legislation triggering
I'm glad Biden is doing what he can, something that we had a dozen pages of thread with people insisting he couldn't do, or it was a bad idea for him to try to do. Every day he can buy is another day not on the street for thousands of people
I don't think anyone was saying Biden couldn't do what he's doing at this point.
Speaking for myself, I said that if he does it there will probably be nearly immediate injunctions based on Kavanaugh's signalling in the concurrence. And it'll end up getting struck down when it gets to SCOTUS.
I did say I'd like to at least see them try extending it, but also that since none of us are part of the internal deliberations or know what considerations / risks they are identifying it's not clear if they are looking at other paths or why they aren't doing it.
This is one where I'd love to be wrong and have it stick and buy as many days as possible for as many people as possible!
Me as well!
Can we admit that this wasn't 12d chess but at best a miscommunication between executive and speaker?
I don't think anyone thought it was a Xanatos Gambit.
In particular, a large segment of the left believes that having to make their case to the existent power structures within the Democratic Party, specially those built by black people, is beneath them. Their case is just so righteous you see, so people should naturally come to them and if they don't, they are ignorant.
Arrogant doesn't begin to cover it.
From my POV I feel like the centrists just assuming they have the black vote while failing to get much done for black America for the last few decades, and even angling for 2022's messaging to be "Democrats stand with police" is... uh... ignorant
thats ignoring the fact that many leftist politicians are POC and one has experienced a good deal of racism from her own party
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
It's most likely just upgrading an existing numbered US highway to limited access interstate standards.
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
It's most likely just upgrading an existing numbered US highway to limited access interstate standards.
Flipping quickly over the map, I'm seeing existing highways already there. Probably you just build some bypasses around the population centres. At least, that's what I'd expect anyway.
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
Yeah this is one of two primary concerns I have- there are ways to not fuck up cities with highways so hopefully that’s the way this goes
The other concern is /sigh still building for cars
But all that being said, it’s federal investment in the black communities in the deep south, which is always welcome
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
Edit: presumably
so they're gonna just run the highway right down the middle of black neighborhoods?
Yeah this is one of two primary concerns I have- there are ways to not fuck up cities with highways so hopefully that’s the way this goes
The other concern is /sigh still building for cars
But all that being said, it’s federal investment in the black communities in the deep south, which is always welcome
And I trust Warnock here not to be screwing over the very communities he comes from. Like Cruz is weasel slime, but I have no reason to suspect Warnock is anything but trying to help underdeveloped communities.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
The point of that proposed highway is because there’s nothing there, and now there will be commuters who will spend money in these Black Belt communities (Selma is basically under the 14 logo in West Alabama for example). This is why Warnock sponsored the amendment. Cruz presumably because of how it presumably does the same for rural Texas.
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So I live just outside of Montgomery and am pretty familiar with the area there.
Looks like it would converge with I85 in Georgia going into Montgomery (where 85 ends at I65) and from there heads to Selma and then through Demopolis into Meridian Mississippi.
Likely it would follow Hwy 80 (which runs that stretch from Montgomery-Meridian). Notably that is the historic Selma civil rights March location too, so that could affect that path
Confusingly there is also a HWY 14 that runs from Selma to just north of Montgomery and past that.
Since people have been discussing the route quite a bit, here's the actual text. It doesn't (directly) allocate funding. It creates a new High Priority Corridor path (which would indirectly affect funding), and the bulk of it is just defining the path. It's pretty specific in that it doesn't actually say existing highways would be part of the new I-14, but it uses a lot of "in the vicinity of" and "parallel to" existing highways.
This I-14 extension has been in the works since I-14 was first planned, so routes like the one above will probably be similar to this, but not necessarily exactly.
Beginning on page 440, strike line 19 and all that follows
through page 443, line 14, and insert the following:
(a) High Priority Corridors.--Section 1105(c) of the
Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991
(Public Law 102-240; 105 Stat. 2032; 133 Stat. 3018) is
amended--
(1) by striking paragraph (84) and inserting the following:
``(84) The Central Texas Corridor, including the route--
``(A) commencing in the vicinity of Texas Highway 338 in
Odessa, Texas, running eastward generally following
Interstate Route 20, connecting to Texas Highway 158 in the
vicinity of Midland, Texas, then following Texas Highway 158
eastward to United States Route 87 and then following United
States Route 87 southeastward, passing in the vicinity of San
Angelo, Texas, and connecting to United States Route 190 in
the vicinity of Brady, Texas;
``(B) commencing at the intersection of Interstate Route 10
and United States Route 190 in Pecos County, Texas, and
following United States Route 190 to Brady, Texas;
``(C) following portions of United States Route 190
eastward, passing in the vicinity of Fort Hood, Killeen,
Belton, Temple, Bryan, College Station, Huntsville,
Livingston, Woodville, and Jasper, to the logical terminus of
Texas Highway 63 at the Sabine River Bridge at Burrs Crossing
and including a loop generally encircling Bryan/College
Station, Texas;
``(D) following United States Route 83 southward from the
vicinity of Eden, Texas, to a logical connection to
Interstate Route 10 at Junction, Texas;
``(E) following United States Route 69 from Interstate
Route 10 in Beaumont, Texas, north to United States Route 190
in the vicinity of Woodville, Texas;
``(F) following United States Route 96 from Interstate
Route 10 in Beaumont, Texas, north to United States Route 190
in the vicinity of Jasper, Texas; and
``(G) following United States Route 190, State Highway 305,
and United States Route 385 from Interstate Route 10 in Pecos
County, Texas, to Interstate 20 at Odessa, Texas.''; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
``(92) United States Route 421 from the interchange with
Interstate Route 85 in Greensboro, North Carolina, to the
interchange with Interstate Route 95 in Dunn, North Carolina.
``(93) The South Mississippi Corridor from the Louisiana
and Mississippi border near Natchez, Mississippi, to
Gulfport, Mississippi, shall generally follow--
``(A) United States Route 84 from the Louisiana border at
the Mississippi River passing in the vicinity of Natchez,
Brookhaven, Monticello, Prentiss, and Collins, Mississippi,
to the logical terminus with Interstate Route 59 in the
vicinity of Laurel, Mississippi, and continuing on Interstate
Route 59 south to the vicinity of Hattiesburg, Mississippi;
and
``(B) United States Route 49 from the vicinity of
Hattiesburg, Mississippi, south to Interstate Route 10 in the
vicinity of Gulfport, Mississippi, following Mississippi
Route 601 south and terminating near the Mississippi State
Port at Gulfport.
``(94) The Kosciusko to Gulf Coast corridor commencing at
the logical terminus of Interstate Route 55 near Vaiden,
Mississippi, running south and passing east of the vicinity
of the Jackson Urbanized Area, connecting to United States
Route 49 north of Hattiesburg, Mississippi, and generally
following United States Route 49 to a logical connection with
Interstate Route 10 in the vicinity of Gulfport, Mississippi.
``(95) The Interstate Route 22 spur from the vicinity of
Tupelo, Mississippi, running south generally along United
States Route 45 to the vicinity of Shannon, Mississippi.
``(96) The route that generally follows United States Route
412 from its intersection with Interstate Route 35 in Noble
County, Oklahoma, passing through Tulsa, Oklahoma, to its
intersection with Interstate Route 49 in Springdale,
Arkansas.
``(97) The Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Expressway from the
interchange with Interstate Route 65 in Barren County,
Kentucky, east to the interchange with United States Highway
27 in Somerset, Kentucky.
``(98) The route that generally follows State Route 7 from
Grenada, Mississippi, to Holly Springs, Mississippi, passing
in the vicinity of Coffeeville, Water Valley, Oxford, and
Abbeville, Mississippi, to its logical connection with
Interstate Route 22 in the vicinity of Holly Springs,
Mississippi.
``(99) The Central Louisiana Corridor commencing at the
logical terminus of Louisiana Highway 8 at the Sabine River
Bridge at Burrs Crossing and generally following portions of
Louisiana Highway 8 to Leesville, Louisiana, and then
eastward on Louisiana Highway 28, passing in the vicinity of
Alexandria, Pineville, Walters, and Archie, to the logical
terminus of United States Route 84 at the Mississippi River
Bridge at Vidalia, Louisiana.
``(100) The Central Mississippi Corridor, including the
route--
``(A) commencing at the logical terminus of United States
Route 84 at the Mississippi River and then generally
following portions of United States Route 84 passing in the
vicinity of Natchez, Brookhaven, Monticello, Prentiss, and
Collins, to Interstate Route 59 in the vicinity of Laurel,
Mississippi, and continuing on Interstate Route 59 north to
Interstate Route 20 and on Interstate Route 20 to the
Mississippi-Alabama State border; and
``(B) commencing in the vicinity of Laurel, Mississippi,
running south on Interstate Route 59 to United States Route
98 in the vicinity of Hattiesburg, connecting to United
States Route 49 south then following United States Route 49
south to Interstate Route 10 in the vicinity of Gulfport and
following Mississippi Route 601 southerly terminating near
the Mississippi State Port at Gulfport.
``(101) The Middle Alabama Corridor including the route--
``(A) beginning at the Alabama-Mississippi border generally
following portions of I-20 until following a new interstate
extension paralleling United States Highway 80,
specifically--
``(B) crossing Alabama Route 28 near Coatopa, Alabama,
traveling eastward crossing United States Highway 43 and
Alabama Route 69 near Selma, Alabama, traveling eastwards
closely paralleling United States Highway 80 to the south
crossing over Alabama Routes 22, 41, and 21, until its
intersection with I-65 near Hope Hull, Alabama;
``(C) continuing east along the proposed Montgomery Outer
Loop south of Montgomery, Alabama where it would next join
with I-85 east of Montgomery, Alabama;
``(D) continuing along I-85 east bound until its
intersection with United States Highway 280 near Opelika,
Alabama or United States Highway 80 near Tuskegee, Alabama;
``(E) generally following the most expedient route until
intersecting with existing United States Highway 80 (JR Allen
Parkway) through Phenix City until continuing into Columbus,
Georgia.
``(102) The Middle Georgia Corridor including the route--
``(A) beginning at the Alabama-Georgia Border generally
following the Fall Line Freeway from Columbus, Georgia to
Augusta, Georgia, specifically--
``(B) travelling along United States Route 80 (JR Allen
Parkway) through Columbus, Georgia and near Fort Benning,
Georgia, east to Talbot County, Georgia where it would follow
Georgia Route 96, then commencing on Georgia Route 49C (Fort
Valley Bypass) to Georgia Route 49 (Peach Parkway) to its
intersection with Interstate Route 75 in Byron, Georgia;
``(C) continuing north along Interstate Route 75 through
Warner Robins and Macon, Georgia where it would meet
Interstate Route 16, then following Interstate Route 16 east
it would next join United States Route 80 and then onto State
Route 57;
``(D) commencing with State Route 57 which turns into State
Route 24 near
Milledgeville, Georgia would then bypass Wrens, Georgia with
a newly constructed bypass, and after the bypass it would
join United States Route 1 near Fort Gordon into Augusta,
Georgia where it will terminate at Interstate Route 520.''.
(b) Designation as Future Interstates.--Section
1105(e)(5)(A) of the Intermodal Surface Transportation
Efficiency Act of 1991 (Public Law 102-240; 109 Stat. 597;
133 Stat. 3018) is amended in the first sentence--
(1) by inserting ``subsection (c)(84),'' after ``subsection
(c)(83),''; and
(2) by striking ``and subsection (c)(91)'' and inserting
``subsection (c)(91), subsection (c)(92), subsection
(c)(93)(A), subsection (c)(94), subsection (c)(95),
subsection (c)(96), subsection (c)(97), subsection (c)(99),
subsection (c)(100), subsection (c)(101), and subsection
(c)(102)''.
(c) Numbering of Parkway.--Section 1105(e)(5)(C)(i) of the
Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991
(Public Law 102-240; 109 Stat. 598; 133 Stat. 3018) is
amended--
(1) by striking the fifteenth sentence and inserting the
following: ``The route referred to in subsection (c)(84)(A)
is designated as Interstate Route I-14 North. The route
referred to in subsection (c)(84)(B) is designated as
Interstate Route I-14 South. The Bryan/College Station, Texas
loop referred to in subsection (c)(84)(C) is designated as
Interstate Route I-214.''; and
(2) by adding at the end the following: ``The route
referred to in subsection (c)(97) is designated as Interstate
Route I-365. The routes referred to in subsections
(c)(84)(C), (c)(99), (c)(100), (c)(101), and (c)(102) are
designated as Interstate Route I-14. The routes referred to
in subparagraphs (D), (E), (F), and (G) of subsection (c)(84)
and subparagraph (B) of subsection (c)(100) shall each be
given separate Interstate route numbers.''.
`(101) The Middle Alabama Corridor including the route--
``(A) beginning at the Alabama-Mississippi border generally
following portions of I-20 until following a new interstate
extension paralleling United States Highway 80,
specifically--
``(B) crossing Alabama Route 28 near Coatopa, Alabama,
traveling eastward crossing United States Highway 43 and
Alabama Route 69 near Selma, Alabama, traveling eastwards
closely paralleling United States Highway 80 to the south
crossing over Alabama Routes 22, 41, and 21, until its
intersection with I-65 near Hope Hull, Alabama;
``(C) continuing east along the proposed Montgomery Outer
Loop south of Montgomery, Alabama where it would next join
with I-85 east of Montgomery, Alabama;
``(D) continuing along I-85 east bound until its
intersection with United States Highway 280 near Opelika,
Alabama or United States Highway 80 near Tuskegee, Alabama;
In particular, a large segment of the left believes that having to make their case to the existent power structures within the Democratic Party, specially those built by black people, is beneath them. Their case is just so righteous you see, so people should naturally come to them and if they don't, they are ignorant.
Arrogant doesn't begin to cover it.
From my POV I feel like the centrists just assuming they have the black vote while failing to get much done for black America for the last few decades, and even angling for 2022's messaging to be "Democrats stand with police" is... uh... ignorant
thats ignoring the fact that many leftist politicians are POC and one has experienced a good deal of racism from her own party
None of that actually says why they can't work with existent power structures created by Black people, like, for example, the very public and very damaging fights with the Congressional Black Caucus, like the primary being discussed at the moment.
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
What I'm saying is that, quite simply, a big anti-establishment movement won't have the same success that it had on the GOP, since it worked on the GOP thanks to going against an establishment utterly discredited for being the authors of one of, if not the, biggest foreign policy blunder on the history of the United States. Specially not after 4 years of Trump's populist adventures.
The Dem establishment was willing to let Obama lead the country and the party. Is an entirely different playground.
What I'm saying is that, quite simply, a big anti-establishment movement won't have the same success that it had on the GOP, since it worked on the GOP thanks to going against an establishment utterly discredited for being the authors of one of, if not the, biggest foreign policy blunder on the history of the United States. Specially not after 4 years of Trump's populist adventures.
The Dem establishment was willing to let Obama lead the country and the party. Is an entirely different playground.
Was the anti establishment take over of the GOP due to Iraq? Was there even an anti establishment movement?
I feel like this debate is skirting past a decades long history of factional struggle within the party. Like, none of this is a particularly new thing.
Back in the day it was like progressives versus the DLC/Third Wayers. Now it’s Leftists versus moderates. The moderates we have today were born out of that DLC type of Democrat that became the establishment around Clinton’s tenure, so of course any faction seeking to change the internal power dynamic of the party is going to be butting heads with them, so it’s less a matter of “running against the party” unless you presume one faction only of democrats has a right to it.
It's been awhile, but wasn't the teaper movement initially a backlash against wallstreet and big business caused by the financial meltdown of 2008, until it was quickly co-opted by conservative media and turned into a right-wing populist movement?
It's been awhile, but wasn't the teaper movement initially a backlash against wallstreet and big business caused by the financial meltdown of 2008, until it was quickly co-opted by conservative media and turned into a right-wing populist movement?
I don’t remember it ever being populist; first historic element I remember is a financial asshole on CNBC calling for a new tea party against the folks getting evicted for taking loans
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
It's been awhile, but wasn't the teaper movement initially a backlash against wallstreet and big business caused by the financial meltdown of 2008, until it was quickly co-opted by conservative media and turned into a right-wing populist movement?
No. It was inspired by a stockbroker and was astroturf from the start.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
But how much Clyburn's involvement changed the race is anyones guess. Connie Schultz, Sherrod Brown's wife said the race was not what national pundits wanted it to be, it was always a local election with local matters at its heart.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
Do you think so? He seems pretty content in the kingmaker role tbh.
I mean I know what he said in the axios interview. He was only even brought up in the race to begin with because of his role as moderate king maker.
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
Do you think so? He seems pretty content in the kingmaker role tbh.
I mean I know what he said in the axios interview. He was only even brought up in the race to begin with because of his role as moderate king maker.
I don't think he particularly gave a shit about a safe seat special election in Ohio.
It's been awhile, but wasn't the teaper movement initially a backlash against wallstreet and big business caused by the financial meltdown of 2008, until it was quickly co-opted by conservative media and turned into a right-wing populist movement?
No. It was inspired by a stockbroker and was astroturf from the start.
Here’s the clip I think; I forgot it was Santelli:
I mean the CBC has a very specific political bend that involves more than just representing African Americans. There's no shortage of young lefter leaning black activists who disdain their closer to center politics.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
Do you think so? He seems pretty content in the kingmaker role tbh.
I mean I know what he said in the axios interview. He was only even brought up in the race to begin with because of his role as moderate king maker.
I don't think he particularly gave a shit about a safe seat special election in Ohio.
Like I pointed out, same interview he expressed his intention to support moderates in their primaries. NY12 is D+34 and he calls that out specifically as one of them.
All this is to say, the systems in place are not politically neutral, your ability to work within them are limited to your ability to either work within their frame or suborn them.
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What I'm saying is that, quite simply, a big anti-establishment movement won't have the same success that it had on the GOP, since it worked on the GOP thanks to going against an establishment utterly discredited for being the authors of one of, if not the, biggest foreign policy blunder on the history of the United States. Specially not after 4 years of Trump's populist adventures.
The Dem establishment was willing to let Obama lead the country and the party. Is an entirely different playground.
Was the anti establishment take over of the GOP due to Iraq? Was there even an anti establishment movement?
The base preferred Palin over McCain. Mostly because he dared to state that Obama wasn't some blood-drinking terrorist sympathizer.
The base never accepted Romney as being one of them, wither. He stank of "elitism" and used too many big words, too polished. Trump, despite being rich and entitled as fuck, always came across as to the base as "one of them", mostly because he was a crude jackass they thought they could emulate.
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To me, this is the ballgame. This is the only thing that really matters; that people get more time so whatever help can be gained from the poorly thought out rental assistance program can come to be. That should be fought tooth and nail until it can no longer be fought. Not won, but fought.
It's vital that people don't end up getting kick out of their homes because of the pandemic. That happening is a failure state.
For as angry as I was the other day, I'm just thankful that something is happening.
While this district will never elect a Republican, the Cleveland/Akron CSA is producing fewer dem votes (people leaving) and slightly more Republican votes which is why Ohio is now about the 17th reddest state instead of 24th, and is a solid GOP state despite being more urbanized than New York and California
Voter suppression thanks to gerrymandering of the state house districts is the main culprit there. Democrats are still competitive in statewide offices but the legislature and election laws make a pink/purple state appear deep red.
I cannot tell you how often I check to see when we get new districts drawn...
I live in Alexandria, Louisiana for 9 years. The only reason Alexandria exists so it can be 2 hours from anything at all. An exciting Friday night there is going to Wal-Mart. There's no reason build an interstate highway going through there.
In particular, a large segment of the left believes that having to make their case to the existent power structures within the Democratic Party, specially those built by black people, is beneath them. Their case is just so righteous you see, so people should naturally come to them and if they don't, they are ignorant.
Arrogant doesn't begin to cover it.
Shontel Brown has been present. Nina Turner has not.
Turner opted to go for Secretary of State after her Senate term was up in 2014. She got thumped and since then she's had almost nothing to do with politics in that district or the state. She was supposed to be co-chair for the state party. She was there for like, a month, and then went to Our Revolution and hasn't been back until now.
Brown has been Fudge's protege for a long time, on county council, and chair of the county party for the past couple of years. That gave her a ton of credibility and name recognition in the district.
Frankly, both of them were terrible candidates. The Marcia Fudge/Frank Jackson sphere has only ever been out for themselves. They've allowed turnout to decrease in 16, 18, and 20 in what is supposed to be a stronghold for Dems. Brown has been right in the middle of that. Turner has been an empty suit personality and in this race, basically a carpetbagger. She wanted the national attention and platform and she got it. But you can't expect to pop back up after 4+ years and think everybody is going to welcome you with open arms.
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Me as well!
Can we admit that this wasn't 12d chess but at best a miscommunication between executive and speaker?
I don't think anyone thought it was a Xanatos Gambit.
From my POV I feel like the centrists just assuming they have the black vote while failing to get much done for black America for the last few decades, and even angling for 2022's messaging to be "Democrats stand with police" is... uh... ignorant
thats ignoring the fact that many leftist politicians are POC and one has experienced a good deal of racism from her own party
It's most likely just upgrading an existing numbered US highway to limited access interstate standards.
That's SOP for American highways
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Flipping quickly over the map, I'm seeing existing highways already there. Probably you just build some bypasses around the population centres. At least, that's what I'd expect anyway.
Yeah this is one of two primary concerns I have- there are ways to not fuck up cities with highways so hopefully that’s the way this goes
The other concern is /sigh still building for cars
But all that being said, it’s federal investment in the black communities in the deep south, which is always welcome
And I trust Warnock here not to be screwing over the very communities he comes from. Like Cruz is weasel slime, but I have no reason to suspect Warnock is anything but trying to help underdeveloped communities.
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So I live just outside of Montgomery and am pretty familiar with the area there.
Looks like it would converge with I85 in Georgia going into Montgomery (where 85 ends at I65) and from there heads to Selma and then through Demopolis into Meridian Mississippi.
Likely it would follow Hwy 80 (which runs that stretch from Montgomery-Meridian). Notably that is the historic Selma civil rights March location too, so that could affect that path
Confusingly there is also a HWY 14 that runs from Selma to just north of Montgomery and past that.
This I-14 extension has been in the works since I-14 was first planned, so routes like the one above will probably be similar to this, but not necessarily exactly.
Lol, called it.
None of that actually says why they can't work with existent power structures created by Black people, like, for example, the very public and very damaging fights with the Congressional Black Caucus, like the primary being discussed at the moment.
So the question of "why cant they work within existing structure" has the same answer it often does when it comes up, "because the existing structure opposes them"
That's a point of view. Another point of view is that directly picking fights with said existing structures, instead of working within them, makes the people that worked for those structures and to elect the politicians on them not wanting to work with you. Like, for example, not going out of your way to be antagonistic against Clyburn.
Maybe, but Im not sure how avoidable it is either. Its not like Clyburn only comes out to campaign for the moderate candidates if you insult him.
The Dem establishment was willing to let Obama lead the country and the party. Is an entirely different playground.
Was the anti establishment take over of the GOP due to Iraq? Was there even an anti establishment movement?
Back in the day it was like progressives versus the DLC/Third Wayers. Now it’s Leftists versus moderates. The moderates we have today were born out of that DLC type of Democrat that became the establishment around Clinton’s tenure, so of course any faction seeking to change the internal power dynamic of the party is going to be butting heads with them, so it’s less a matter of “running against the party” unless you presume one faction only of democrats has a right to it.
I don’t remember it ever being populist; first historic element I remember is a financial asshole on CNBC calling for a new tea party against the folks getting evicted for taking loans
Clyburn most likely wouldn't have gotten involved, otherwise
No. It was inspired by a stockbroker and was astroturf from the start.
Literally gave an interview where he said that.
https://www.axios.com/jim-clyburn-ohio-progressives-b2f2ec04-a5be-49bd-9227-b746cd46df48.html
But how much Clyburn's involvement changed the race is anyones guess. Connie Schultz, Sherrod Brown's wife said the race was not what national pundits wanted it to be, it was always a local election with local matters at its heart.
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Do you think so? He seems pretty content in the kingmaker role tbh.
I mean I know what he said in the axios interview. He was only even brought up in the race to begin with because of his role as moderate king maker.
I don't think he particularly gave a shit about a safe seat special election in Ohio.
Here’s the clip I think; I forgot it was Santelli:
Like I pointed out, same interview he expressed his intention to support moderates in their primaries. NY12 is D+34 and he calls that out specifically as one of them.
All this is to say, the systems in place are not politically neutral, your ability to work within them are limited to your ability to either work within their frame or suborn them.
The base preferred Palin over McCain. Mostly because he dared to state that Obama wasn't some blood-drinking terrorist sympathizer.
The base never accepted Romney as being one of them, wither. He stank of "elitism" and used too many big words, too polished. Trump, despite being rich and entitled as fuck, always came across as to the base as "one of them", mostly because he was a crude jackass they thought they could emulate.