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The Suicide Squad is going to blow your mind [open spoilers]

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I would appreciate it if DC figured out a comic booky way to bring back Boomerang, TDK or Polkadot Man for the upcoming Peacemaker series.

    I understand this desire but DC has hundreds of other characters to utilize & expose new audiences towards, and I'd rather they introduced someone new instead of revived fan favorite.

    Unless hes a bad guy with 2 lines in dialogue and is like, half cyborg. Then please bring him back.

  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    I just went back and watched it again, I'm guess the scene where Harley jumps at his eye with the spear is it going into "Harley Mode" like the escape scene, because as is she just sort of...jumps into a pool of eye goop and drops the javelin while floating.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I liked Boomer's lil smile at Harley. "Nah, I'm fucked, bye!"

    Speaking of, this the first time it felt like Harley being on team made sense and contributed anything - all her random chaotic bullshit added up to the win.

    Absolutely loved how tired Bloodsport was.

    Well I mean she was on squad B, which was specifically expendable and only meant to be a distraction. Which made all sorts of sense why someone like fuckin T.D.K. was on the team.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Did I miss a scene with Thinker? He's got a very obvious bandage on his ear for most of his later scenes, but not his first one, and I don't recall him getting smacked at any point?

    Edit;
    I liked Boomer's lil smile at Harley. "Nah, I'm fucked, bye!"

    Speaking of, this the first time it felt like Harley being on team made sense and contributed anything - all her random chaotic bullshit added up to the win.

    Absolutely loved how tired Bloodsport was.

    Well I mean she was on squad B, which was specifically expendable and only meant to be a distraction. Which made all sorts of sense why someone like fuckin T.D.K. was on the team.

    Oh I meant like, narratively? Harley ended up helping a lot, I feel like she didn't contribute much to the first one or even Birds of Prey where she's just doing stuff.

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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    I liked Boomer's lil smile at Harley. "Nah, I'm fucked, bye!"

    Speaking of, this the first time it felt like Harley being on team made sense and contributed anything - all her random chaotic bullshit added up to the win.

    Absolutely loved how tired Bloodsport was.

    Well I mean she was on squad B, which was specifically expendable and only meant to be a distraction. Which made all sorts of sense why someone like fuckin T.D.K. was on the team.

    B was supposed to be a distraction, but I don't think it was quite meant to be such a turkey shoot for them. They did get sold out after all.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    I liked Boomer's lil smile at Harley. "Nah, I'm fucked, bye!"

    Speaking of, this the first time it felt like Harley being on team made sense and contributed anything - all her random chaotic bullshit added up to the win.

    Absolutely loved how tired Bloodsport was.

    Well I mean she was on squad B, which was specifically expendable and only meant to be a distraction. Which made all sorts of sense why someone like fuckin T.D.K. was on the team.

    B was supposed to be a distraction, but I don't think it was quite meant to be such a turkey shoot for them. They did get sold out after all.

    I got the impression that Waller completely expected the sell out based on her reaction to Bloodsport and team A afterwards.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Captain my Captain boomerang deserves to be brought back
    He is a shitty Australian
    He js entirely in jai Courtney's wheelhouse

  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Captain my Captain boomerang deserves to be brought back
    He is a shitty Australian
    He js entirely in jai Courtney's wheelhouse

    His death was a big disappointment to me. Most of the other expendables dying were fine, but that performance in Suicide Squad is maybe the only time I've ever liked Jai Courtney in anything and I thought he deserved more time in the role.

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  • GrogGrog My sword is only steel in a useful shape.Registered User regular
    Weird that controlling rats to execute dangerous tasks and risk their lives was framed as them being her friends, while Starro's control was viewed as completely abhorrent.

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2021
    Grog wrote: »
    Weird that controlling rats to execute dangerous tasks and risk their lives was framed as them being her friends, while Starro's control was viewed as completely abhorrent.

    There’s a pretty distinct difference between controlling a rat and a human.

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited August 2021
    This movie owns, and I was prepared to like it but wow, what an unqualified success

    The only thing that bothers me, and it doesn't bother me much at all but I can't stop thinking about it, is Bloodsport's whole deal

    I get that we need a new lead who isn't Will Smith, and I get that we can't just recast Deadshot, we want to build new relationships with new characters and stuff, and I get casting Idris Elba because he's fantastic

    But like... the first movie's leader was a black dude who was incredibly skilled with weapons and guns who was estranged from his daughter, and the second movie's leader is a black dude who is incredibly skilled with weapons and guns who is estranged from his daughter. He even kills Cena with a superhumanly accurate trick shot!

    It just feels like James Gunn really wanted to do Deadshot but he couldn't because the last shitty movie already did so he had to settle for off-brand, legally distinct Deadshot (which is of course a very large pool of characters, because of the 90's)

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    He even kills Cena

    There’s an end credits scene you may have missed

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    He even kills Cena

    There’s an end credits scene you may have missed

    Right! Forgot about that

    I actually thought that was Rick Flagg for a bit, I couldn’t tell through the bandages. Mostly because I was surprised they’d off him, since he’s a bit bigger a name than like, Polka-Dot Man

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  • GrogGrog My sword is only steel in a useful shape.Registered User regular
    Grog wrote: »
    Weird that controlling rats to execute dangerous tasks and risk their lives was framed as them being her friends, while Starro's control was viewed as completely abhorrent.

    There’s a pretty distinct difference between controlling a rat and a human.

    Obviously. But why is one characterised as friendship?

  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Because rats won't stick around where they're not appreciated. They're always the first off a sinking friendship.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I think she's only actually friends with the one rat, Sebastian

    And also, sure, the doohickey controls rats and makes them do potentially dangerous stuff, but then once it's done they can go off and live their little rat lives again, as opposed to the Starro possession which immediately and irrevocably kills the host

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  • UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    i'm an easy target, they had a decemberists song in this movie so i liked it

    but seriously the stuff at the end with ratcatcher and the starfish's last line really struck a chord, i enjoyed the opening team misdirect, Cena was great (the whole cast was really)

    i either turned off the first movie or don't remember it, and haven't seen birds of prey, but this one is definitely my favorite of the newer DC movies

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Personality and politics aside, this movie 100% cemented that John Cena is a lot better than The Rock.

    He’s a better actor, has better screen presence, and is more than willing to be goofy and make fun of himself.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    this movie fucking ruled
    I also appreciate the stance that Amanda Waller fucking sucks

    Waller is a monster, always has been. She was created to be a villain who makes the sociopaths and mass murderers under her control appear sympathetic in comparison.

    Too many writers since have used her as a no-nonsense badass who makes the hard choices to keep people safe. That’s the story she tells herself and others, but the best Suicide Squad stories are - like this movie - about what happens when genuinely sympathetic people have to survive being her prisoner.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Sterica wrote: »
    The underlings of a American black ops leader forcefully wresting control of the task force from her upon crossing a moral line is the most unrealistic thing in the movie, which is saying a lot considering it features a giant killer starfish.

    I think they did a decent job of setting up that Waller was the kind of leader that convinces her underlings that they need to frag her. The most unbelievable part is that they didn’t finish her off.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Sterica wrote: »
    The underlings of a American black ops leader forcefully wresting control of the task force from her upon crossing a moral line is the most unrealistic thing in the movie, which is saying a lot considering it features a giant killer starfish.

    I think they did a decent job of setting up that Waller was the kind of leader that convinces her underlings that they need to frag her. The most unbelievable part is that they didn’t finish her off.

    I mean you kill her you gotta answer questions about how her head spontaneously caved in while in the office.

    Incapacitate her in the moment and there's a chance it doesn't go anywhere because she doesn't want the incident to get out and maybe make her look compromised.

    Although in the long run after that I wouldn't expect to die of old age

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Sterica wrote: »
    The underlings of a American black ops leader forcefully wresting control of the task force from her upon crossing a moral line is the most unrealistic thing in the movie, which is saying a lot considering it features a giant killer starfish.

    I think they did a decent job of setting up that Waller was the kind of leader that convinces her underlings that they need to frag her. The most unbelievable part is that they didn’t finish her off.

    I mean you kill her you gotta answer questions about how her head spontaneously caved in while in the office.

    Incapacitate her in the moment and there's a chance it doesn't go anywhere because she doesn't want the incident to get out and maybe make her look compromised.

    Although in the long run after that I wouldn't expect to die of old age

    They work in a prison full of supervillains. The cover-up would be the easiest part.

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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    "It was, uh...Lie Bot."

    "Yes! I, Lie Bot, killed Amanda Waller!"

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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Man, just imagine how jazzed you'd be for like two minutes after you booked John Cena for The Suicide Squad.

    "You're never gonna believe it! John Cena is in!"

    "What? Where are we going to put him, we've already got Joel Kinnaman. Like, John Cena is definitely an upgrade, but they're 99% the same actual dude."

    "Nah, we don't need store-brand John Cena, we got the real thing!"

    "No, but Joel Kinnaman is already in the movie. Contractually."

    "Oh. Oh, shit."

    Like coming home from the grocery store and realizing that you already had an unopened gallon of milk in the fridge.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    that was a lot of fun. felt like it carried forward a lot of the style/humor of BoP and I now immediately am watching that again.

    Ratcatcher was absolutely my star but all of the main group had just great performances.

    BoP update: still a blast

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  • InvisibleInkInvisibleInk Po,OrRegistered User regular
    Question for the comic book fans, is it normal for starro to immediately kill the host upon "face hugging"? Last time I saw starro was probably Justice League (animated) and that was obviously not the case.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Question for the comic book fans, is it normal for starro to immediately kill the host upon "face hugging"? Last time I saw starro was probably Justice League (animated) and that was obviously not the case.

    Without looking I'd guess it's both depending on whatever the author wants for narrative reasons

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Question for the comic book fans, is it normal for starro to immediately kill the host upon "face hugging"? Last time I saw starro was probably Justice League (animated) and that was obviously not the case.
    that was done to drive home the gravity of what the US did over the last thirty years. All those people caged up underneath Jotunheim? They’re all dead, on the orders of the United States Government. You also can’t say “oh well, when they experimented on children maybe it was non-lethal.” Nope, they’re dead, and all approved by Uncle Sam.

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  • Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    I appreciated that, after playing up Peacemaker's ultraviolence as a joke, they had him go full Comedian after he turned on Flagg.

    "Peacemaker, what a joke" felt like a deliberate Watchmen callout.

    (Peacemaker is the Charlton character that got re-branded as The Comedian when Alan Moore got told he couldn't use Charlton characters in Watchmen)

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Question for the comic book fans, is it normal for starro to immediately kill the host upon "face hugging"? Last time I saw starro was probably Justice League (animated) and that was obviously not the case.

    Without looking I'd guess it's both depending on whatever the author wants for narrative reasons

    Starro does not usually kill people by taking over the bodies. In almost every instance I can think of, removing the starfish frees the individual from his control.

    It would be EXCEPTIONALLY dark for it to just kill people for a character that debuted in the 60s.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Question for the comic book fans, is it normal for starro to immediately kill the host upon "face hugging"? Last time I saw starro was probably Justice League (animated) and that was obviously not the case.

    Without looking I'd guess it's both depending on whatever the author wants for narrative reasons

    Starro does not usually kill people by taking over the bodies. In almost every instance I can think of, removing the starfish frees the individual from his control.

    It would be EXCEPTIONALLY dark for it to just kill people for a character that debuted in the 60s.

    Yeah I figured as much based on his DCAU appearances but was also guessing by now someone would have done some grimdark take on it by now.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited August 2021
    I was honestly impressed with Cena's performance and it's a real shame they never got him in the Fast & Furious franchise. Given the chemistry between him and Elba, I can only imagine how funny it would be putting him in with Vin Diesel and Jason Statham.

    I also appreciate that Cena gave a committed performance to what was essentially a more mask-off version of his wrestling character, and he wasn't afraid of the parts that people should consider heinous.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    I was honestly impressed with Cena's performance and it's a real shame they never got him in the Fast & Furious franchise. Given the chemistry between him and Elba, I can only imagine how funny it would be putting him in with Vin Diesel and Jason Statham.

    I also appreciate that Cena gave a committed performance to what was essentially a more mask-off version of his wrestling character, and he wasn't afraid of the parts that people should consider heinous.

    ...Cena's in the latest F&F

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    I was honestly impressed with Cena's performance and it's a real shame they never got him in the Fast & Furious franchise. Given the chemistry between him and Elba, I can only imagine how funny it would be putting him in with Vin Diesel and Jason Statham.

    I also appreciate that Cena gave a committed performance to what was essentially a more mask-off version of his wrestling character, and he wasn't afraid of the parts that people should consider heinous.

    ...Cena's in the latest F&F

    I thought that was a self-driving car????

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I have not watched F9, but the opinion I have heard in a few places is that his performance here makes them more disappointed in his F9 performance

  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    I think his F9 performance fits the character they wrote for him there, it doesn't really call for the way he plays Peacemaker

    Could they have written him differently? Sure. But that's not on Cena

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  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    There was a lot more dick and balls in this movie than I expected.

    Also fucking awesome movie. Disappointed about Boomer though. Loved 'Harley Mode' being brought in though.

    Also, I wish Capaldi's character got captured and taken to that prison, I'd have loved to see him in a future Suicide Squad movie. "YANKEE FUCKING DOODLE DANDIES!"

  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    So if I understood Waller's plan in the movie,
    * The main goal is to Erase all traces of US involvement in Project Starfish before the new regime can do anything about it. Anything that poses an obstacle to this is a Threat and must be eliminated.
    * Peacemaker is recruited and given a secret objective to push through with the plan if anyone in the team develops a conscience at the crucial moment.
    * Bloodsport's team is the main infiltration team.
    * The other team is to provide a distraction by letting Blackguard contact the Colto Maltesians and draw the main military away from Bloodsport's drop off point.
    * Flagg is used as a pawn to lend credence to the legitimacy of their team's mission in their POV, but ultimately expendable. I am still not sure if Waller wanted them all killed, or just doesn't care. (She was hesitant to pull the trigger on Savant, and I do not think it was just for show, so maybe she wanted them to try and survive at least)
    * the lack of knowledge regarding Weasel's inability to swim might be a clue that Waller didn't really give a shit if the Distractions make it. But then again, given Bloodsport's newly discovered phobia that they also didn't know, it could just be for laughs.
    * Waller decided to let Bloodsport and Peacemaker kill the rebels by tricking them. It may be because the rebels will not be favorable to the US presence anyway, and will pose a Threat to the overall mission. (They had time to call her out on this, but she somehow got away with it? Unless I missed something)
    * I do not know why Waller was so opposed to them trying to fight Starro - it's basically a win-win for her. Is she just afraid they will be exposed to the public (which happened)?

  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    So if I understood Waller's plan in the movie,
    * The main goal is to Erase all traces of US involvement in Project Starfish before the new regime can do anything about it. Anything that poses an obstacle to this is a Threat and must be eliminated.
    * Peacemaker is recruited and given a secret objective to push through with the plan if anyone in the team develops a conscience at the crucial moment.
    * Bloodsport's team is the main infiltration team.
    * The other team is to provide a distraction by letting Blackguard contact the Colto Maltesians and draw the main military away from Bloodsport's drop off point.
    * Flagg is used as a pawn to lend credence to the legitimacy of their team's mission in their POV, but ultimately expendable. I am still not sure if Waller wanted them all killed, or just doesn't care. (She was hesitant to pull the trigger on Savant, and I do not think it was just for show, so maybe she wanted them to try and survive at least)
    * the lack of knowledge regarding Weasel's inability to swim might be a clue that Waller didn't really give a shit if the Distractions make it. But then again, given Bloodsport's newly discovered phobia that they also didn't know, it could just be for laughs.
    * Waller decided to let Bloodsport and Peacemaker kill the rebels by tricking them. It may be because the rebels will not be favorable to the US presence anyway, and will pose a Threat to the overall mission. (They had time to call her out on this, but she somehow got away with it? Unless I missed something)
    * I do not know why Waller was so opposed to them trying to fight Starro - it's basically a win-win for her. Is she just afraid they will be exposed to the public (which happened)?
    I read what happened with Flagg as they presumed the team was dead. his tracker kicked back on and it seemed he'd been moved somewhere by the group they had been fighting. Waller doesn't have any info that it's rebel freedom fighters vs the military, but also doesn't give a shit and draws no distinction between the two because her primary objective is kill anyone who contacts her team.

    I thought that scene was really unfortunate though because the punchline as it were felt incredibly obvious and the joke was war crimes.

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