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The Suicide Squad is going to blow your mind [open spoilers]

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  • LarsLars Registered User regular
    Supposedly an early script did have a Starro'd Superman as the climatic battle, but Warner Bros said no.

    I'd guess that's when they decided to go with giant Starro instead.

  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    This incarnation of Waller also thinks that the squad can take superman.
    So 2 birds.

    Throwaway line at the beginning says Bloodsport is in Belle Reve because he put Superman in the hospital with a kryptonite bullet

    So maybe a more reasonable position in this movie than in the last one, actually

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    This incarnation of Waller also thinks that the squad can take superman.
    So 2 birds.

    Well yeah, Bloodsport put him in the ICU with a kryptonite bullet.

    I guarantee she has at least a clip of those lying around.

  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Imagine the world where James Gunn got to drop Superman into The Suicide Squad.

    Imagine James Gunn getting to direct Henry Cavill as Superman.

    "Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Matev wrote: »
    Imagine the world where James Gunn got to drop Superman into The Suicide Squad.

    Imagine James Gunn getting to direct Henry Cavill as Superman.

    Don't have the cgi out a mustache when there's a starfish over it

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Imagine if there was no indication until the climax. They just blow up jotenheim, and starro emerges, and floating next to him js starro superman

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Can't wait for Jarro in the next Batman movie personally

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  • astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    Seeing the Weasel design was inspired by Bill the Cat makes me unreasonably happy.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I didn't realize until a couple days after I watched it that Weasel was Sean Gunn

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  • ChallChall Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I didn't realize until a couple days after I watched it that Weasel was Sean Gunn

    Sean Gunn was also in person as Calendar Man but it was so quick I almost missed it

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    weasel as a parody of the sort of rocket racoon animal team member made me very very happy

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    I knew Weasel wasn't gonna make it off the beach (no way they're doing King Shark AND Weasel, and one of those was voiced by Stallone), but I was utterly delighted by how quick and unceremonious his exit was

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    I had to pause the movie because I was cackling so hard at the fuckin' belly flop

    PLAP

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I didn't realize until a couple days after I watched it that Weasel was Sean Gunn

    Oh, I'm on the other side of this then because I immediately recognized it was Sean Gunn.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Chall wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I didn't realize until a couple days after I watched it that Weasel was Sean Gunn

    Sean Gunn was also in person as Calendar Man but it was so quick I almost missed it

    Oh God dammit that was Calendar Man?

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    He was the guy giving Polka Dot Man shit, right?

    Which is especially funny because its fucking calender man.

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  • astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    I knew Weasel wasn't gonna make it off the beach (no way they're doing King Shark AND Weasel, and one of those was voiced by Stallone), but I was utterly delighted by how quick and unceremonious his exit was

    It brings me no joy to ask, but, sigh...did you catch all the post-credits stingers?

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

    Well I don't need to concern myself with the thoughts of shitty morons

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Chall wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I didn't realize until a couple days after I watched it that Weasel was Sean Gunn

    Sean Gunn was also in person as Calendar Man but it was so quick I almost missed it

    Oh God dammit that was Calendar Man?

    it's super fast but his head tatoo is janfebmarapr etc

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

    Well I don't need to concern myself with the thoughts of shitty morons

    Oh I agree but that is how I assume he got away with it

  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

    so what

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    This incarnation of Waller also thinks that the squad can take superman.
    So 2 birds.

    Throwaway line at the beginning says Bloodsport is in Belle Reve because he put Superman in the hospital with a kryptonite bullet

    So maybe a more reasonable position in this movie than in the last one, actually

    Also, I'm sure Waller would love to take Superman off the table if she thought she could get away with it. "He was mind controlled and we had no other option."

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    While I'm pleasantly surprised that Gunn got to make such an explicitly anti-USA movie, I'm not shocked he got away with it - because there aren't any US military vehicles in the flick

    If you want to put US fighter jets/tanks/soldiers in a movie, the Department of Defense will offer them to a production at a steep discount (possibly even free, sometimes? I'd need to doublecheck and I'm lazy), but with caveat of, "In exchange, we get script approval." The rental fees on those vehicles WITHOUT the DoD discount is so high that productions will always, always take it. And thus, anything that might impugn the American military-industrial complex gets sanded off (or outright squashed), and any movie with the military is magically transformed into, at best, soft propaganda. Or you get Captain Marvel, which at points feels like a fucking recruitment video.

    But by making a movie with no US military presence, Gunn was able to skirt that built-in-to-blockbusters jingoism failsafe. It's really fucking smart.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

    so what

    So that’s probably how James Gunn got away with it. I’m guessing the majority of people who make these decisions probably didn’t see the movie as being as anti-US as we do.

  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    While I'm pleasantly surprised that Gunn got to make such an explicitly anti-USA movie, I'm not shocked he got away with it - because there aren't any US military vehicles in the flick

    If you want to put US fighter jets/tanks/soldiers in a movie, the Department of Defense will offer them to a production at a steep discount (possibly even free, sometimes? I'd need to doublecheck and I'm lazy), but with caveat of, "In exchange, we get script approval." The rental fees on those vehicles WITHOUT the DoD discount is so high that productions will always, always take it. And thus, anything that might impugn the American military-industrial complex gets sanded off (or outright squashed), and any movie with the military is magically transformed into, at best, soft propaganda. Or you get Captain Marvel, which at points feels like a fucking recruitment video.

    But by making a movie with no US military presence, Gunn was able to skirt that built-in-to-blockbusters jingoism failsafe. It's really fucking smart.

    Yeah, you're right, I did notice this when I was watching it

    The Avengers pretty famously lost their DoD discount for the story decision to have the shadow council try to nuke New York City! Or so I heard, anyway

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    I keep seeing people say they don’t know how James Gunn got away with making such an anti-USA movie.

    The sad fact is, the majority of people who see the movie aren’t going to think that at all.

    There’s going to be a large amount of people who agree with Amanda Waller that Starro should have been left alone since it was just a bunch of minorities and not a threat to the US.

    so what

    So that’s probably how James Gunn got away with it. I’m guessing the majority of people who make these decisions probably didn’t see the movie as being as anti-US as we do.

    It takes a massive bit of willful ignorance to not see this movie as anything but placing the US squarely in the "bad" category. Like, there's an extended scene where it's blatantly pointed out that the US was experimenting on and murdering children and there's no rebuttle beyond "so what?" from the asshole who murders the one actual US soldier and non-criminal on the team.

    People may think that Waller and the US were in the right, but the movie is extremely blatant in telling the audience that they are not. There's no ambiguity at all.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    US audiences can actually get really into movies that criticize the US government and military (A Few Good Men, Born on the Fourth of July, Sicario, even the Bourne movies kinda skirt up next to it - all huge hits), but the DoD's policy on military tech rentals has a much bigger impact on how military stories are told than a lot of folks realize.

    It's less a conscious decision on studio's parts - studio execs aren't, generally, ra-ra patriots, nor do they fear the scorn of right-wing backlash (which often actually BOOSTS numbers, in a "any publicity is good publicity" kinda way). But imagine a production beancounter saying, "We can keep in that three-minute scene where the protagonist realizes he's a pawn of a system that is utterly indifferent to his humanity and vows to leave it, and we can spend an additional $50 million dollars on this movie to watch one guy have a sad conversation. OR we cut that scene, and bring this fucker in under budget." The executives no longer have a moral decision to make (they can tell themselves), they have a financial one. It's not POLITICS to keep the military looking good, it's BUSINESS.

    You know how sometimes you can look at an objectively-evil thing and have some cold, dark part of your brain appreciate the cleverness of the craft? That's how I feel about the DoD policy. It obfuscates its aims, it shifts the conversation, it's state-sponsored propaganda in plain sight, and people eat it the fuck up because big plane go vrooom

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I do think the anti-US messaging will fly over a lot of heads, I'm not too bothered by it because I'm still jazzed to see a big blockbuster movie straight up go "The United States government is the villain, they did all of this"

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I do think the anti-US messaging will fly over a lot of heads, I'm not too bothered by it because I'm still jazzed to see a big blockbuster movie straight up go "The United States government is the villain, they did all of this"

    I think that a number of people are just gonna see "ha ha supervillains go brrr" and not see any of the - for lack of a better word - subtlety of the movie.

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  • DeliciousTacosDeliciousTacos Registered User regular
    So glad I decided to watch this and went in blind. When the first act sets up “Project Starfish” as some catastrophic weapon, it sounds exactly like the kind of macguffin that would be in any other bland superhero movie. The reveal that it’s a literal giant starfish was incredible. And at that point I was still coming down off seeing Peter Capaldi with a bunch of electrodes sticking out of his brain. God, I had genuinely forgotten that superheroes can be fun

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I do think the anti-US messaging will fly over a lot of heads, I'm not too bothered by it because I'm still jazzed to see a big blockbuster movie straight up go "The United States government is the villain, they did all of this"

    I think that a number of people are just gonna see "ha ha supervillains go brrr" and not see any of the - for lack of a better word - subtlety of the movie.

    I think a lot of it depends on how much you've come to terms with the US role in destabilizing South American nations.

    Like with that context in mind, it's extremely obvious how villainous the role of the US is in the movie.

    A lot of people either don't think about or don't believe shit like Operation Condor.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    And I may have worded it poorly. I just foresee the message going over a lot of heads. But I don’t honestly care. Fuck those people.

    I’m just going to enjoy what was an awesome movie.

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    i would like to see bronze tiger in one of these movies

    they can keep michael jai white in the part

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    The sheer chutzpah of setting up T.D.K., having his arms slowly float across the battlefield, and then ineffectively slap around a handful of confused soldiers is just a masterclass in humor.

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    The sheer chutzpah of setting up T.D.K., having his arms slowly float across the battlefield, and then ineffectively slap around a handful of confused soldiers is just a masterclass in humor.

    The callout of "5 soldiers open here for TDK!" and then it's just slapphands was chef's kiss.

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    I’m starting a conspiracy theory that TDK didn’t die. The last we saw him he was coughing on the beach, albeit blood, but everyone else was clearly shown dead except him and then weasel at the end.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    The sheer chutzpah of setting up T.D.K., having his arms slowly float across the battlefield, and then ineffectively slap around a handful of confused soldiers is just a masterclass in humor.

    It was a fucking Evil Dead gag, in the first five minutes of a multi-million-dollar comic book flick

    Incredible

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    And I may have worded it poorly. I just foresee the message going over a lot of heads. But I don’t honestly care. Fuck those people.

    I’m just going to enjoy what was an awesome movie.

    I think there are gonna be a LOT of willfully bad takes, because in the ever-relevant words of Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

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