How hot should your GPU run? According to Speedfan my 3060 is sitting at 67C when I'm not running anything that requires it.
I wouldn’t say that hot but a lot of cards nowadays will cut the fans when the load is minimal. The more important question is what are your load temps?
I'll load Cyberpunk and see. It dropped back down to 46. Something must have causes it to burn for a bit.
Default GPU fan settings are usually "as long as it's not throttling, we're good" with an eye towards noise more than cooling performance. You can always adjust it up.
Also check the card itself to see if it has a physical toggle between 'Silent', 'Default' and 'Overclock'. If it's toggles to Silent, that would also explain a bit.
Given the price of DDR5 at the moment, I think I can give AM5 a few revisions before I even think about moving to it.
Yeah, I might pick up a 5800x 3d to get better single thread performance than my 3900x if the pieces drop, but otherwise I'm going to wait for the 2nd gen chips for them to work the kinks out
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What’s a good air cooler that’ll fit my current 6700k, which I can later reuse for a Ryzen? I think the sockets involved would be 1151 and AM4.
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
That max cooler height in that case is 162mm which should accommodate pretty much any 120mm or 140mm tower cooler. All of them will be compatible with pretty much any AMD or Intel socket from the last 10 years.
What’s a good air cooler that’ll fit my current 6700k, which I can later reuse for a Ryzen? I think the sockets involved would be 1151 and AM4.
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
That case can fit a tall cooler (162mm) as Cormac says. Biggest thing I would look out for is compatibility with your motherboard - what motherboard do you have? How tall is your RAM? Sometimes ITX boards can have tall components close to the CPU socket.
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HonkHonk is this poster.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
What’s a good air cooler that’ll fit my current 6700k, which I can later reuse for a Ryzen? I think the sockets involved would be 1151 and AM4.
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
That case can fit a tall cooler (162mm) as Cormac says. Biggest thing I would look out for is compatibility with your motherboard - what motherboard do you have? How tall is your RAM? Sometimes ITX boards can have tall components close to the CPU socket.
Hmm
I have an EVGA Z170 Stinger mITX. I can’t open it up right now because it seems I have used safety screws in my computer desk mount and have gotten rid of the tool. 😬
But I feel very sure that the RAM is very close to the CPU and that I used both slots unfortunately.
I have dominator lpx which I feel is fairly low profile?
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What’s a good air cooler that’ll fit my current 6700k, which I can later reuse for a Ryzen? I think the sockets involved would be 1151 and AM4.
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
That case can fit a tall cooler (162mm) as Cormac says. Biggest thing I would look out for is compatibility with your motherboard - what motherboard do you have? How tall is your RAM? Sometimes ITX boards can have tall components close to the CPU socket.
Hmm
I have an EVGA Z170 Stinger mITX. I can’t open it up right now because it seems I have used safety screws in my computer desk mount and have gotten rid of the tool. 😬
But I feel very sure that the RAM is very close to the CPU and that I used both slots unfortunately.
I have dominator lpx which I feel is fairly low profile?
What’s a good air cooler that’ll fit my current 6700k, which I can later reuse for a Ryzen? I think the sockets involved would be 1151 and AM4.
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
That case can fit a tall cooler (162mm) as Cormac says. Biggest thing I would look out for is compatibility with your motherboard - what motherboard do you have? How tall is your RAM? Sometimes ITX boards can have tall components close to the CPU socket.
Hmm
I have an EVGA Z170 Stinger mITX. I can’t open it up right now because it seems I have used safety screws in my computer desk mount and have gotten rid of the tool. 😬
But I feel very sure that the RAM is very close to the CPU and that I used both slots unfortunately.
I have dominator lpx which I feel is fairly low profile?
Noctua says U12S will fit. Looking at the board, there looks like plenty of clearance so I think most tower coolers should work fine.
Recently I got a new monitor with a max refresh rate of 360hz, and I notice my gpu core clocks constantly spiking when not playing games. Like if I'm monitoring with msi afterburner and doing something light like web browsing I see my core clock spiking constantly to 1710 mhz. Eventually my gpu temps will rise enough to kick on the fans when I'm just doing light stuff.
Tried fiddling with stuff like turning off g-sync and turning off web browser hardware acceleration, same thing. The only thing that kept my gpu core clocks/temps in check was dropping the refresh rate. Seems the highest I can go is 120hz. Is this a thing with high refresh rate displays?
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Recently I got a new monitor with a max refresh rate of 360hz, and I notice my gpu core clocks constantly spiking when not playing games. Like if I'm monitoring with msi afterburner and doing something light like web browsing I see my core clock spiking constantly to 1710 mhz. Eventually my gpu temps will rise enough to kick on the fans when I'm just doing light stuff.
Tried fiddling with stuff like turning off g-sync and turning off web browser hardware acceleration, same thing. The only thing that kept my gpu core clocks/temps in check was dropping the refresh rate. Seems the highest I can go is 120hz. Is this a thing with high refresh rate displays?
You can try using GPU Shark and see if it tells you whats causing the spikes
Recently I got a new monitor with a max refresh rate of 360hz, and I notice my gpu core clocks constantly spiking when not playing games. Like if I'm monitoring with msi afterburner and doing something light like web browsing I see my core clock spiking constantly to 1710 mhz. Eventually my gpu temps will rise enough to kick on the fans when I'm just doing light stuff.
Tried fiddling with stuff like turning off g-sync and turning off web browser hardware acceleration, same thing. The only thing that kept my gpu core clocks/temps in check was dropping the refresh rate. Seems the highest I can go is 120hz. Is this a thing with high refresh rate displays?
It's likely the GPU is spiking because it's trying to display whatever content is on your display to 360fps. I'd go display settings -> advanced display settings -> refresh rate and set it to 120hz or 144hz. That should hopefully take care of it. I run my display at 144hz all the time and don't see abnormal spikes in non-gaming use unless the content can take advantage of the higher refresh rate. You can always turn the refresh rate back up to 360hz but that just asking for higher GPU temps for no reason since running a game at 360fps let alone over 200fps is completely unnecessary. Set it to 144hz or 165hz (something reasonable) and never think about it again.
Recently I got a new monitor with a max refresh rate of 360hz, and I notice my gpu core clocks constantly spiking when not playing games. Like if I'm monitoring with msi afterburner and doing something light like web browsing I see my core clock spiking constantly to 1710 mhz. Eventually my gpu temps will rise enough to kick on the fans when I'm just doing light stuff.
Tried fiddling with stuff like turning off g-sync and turning off web browser hardware acceleration, same thing. The only thing that kept my gpu core clocks/temps in check was dropping the refresh rate. Seems the highest I can go is 120hz. Is this a thing with high refresh rate displays?
You generally don't want to turn off GPU acceleration in your web browser. It makes it work a LOT better. You're seeing spikes because draw calls are so much more frequent. Whether your CPU is drawing what's on the screen or your CPU, those draw calls are going to cause more overhead on the system.
Say you want to load up a website. Your GPU needs to draw what you're seeing on the screen, pixel by pixel. Your web browser tells your GPU what pixels to draw and where. The hz of your monitor is how often it can handle the screen being redrawn. So you start scrolling down the page, your web browser is going to ask the GPU to redraw the screen 360 times per second. Previously it may have been only asked to 120 times a second or even just 60 times a second. It takes a lot of complicated math for your GPU to figure out roughly what it needs to be drawing. And the more math per second it's being asked to do the more that math will eat your your GPU cycles.
You can generally select your desired refresh rate independently of your desktop refresh rate in games where it might be needed.
I occasionally consider if there’s any reason to upgrade my 5700xt but then I remembered I still have 1080p monitors and have yet to cut down any graphics settings outside of specific cyberpunk things that were breaking the game at release and uh, those shouldn’t count.
I occasionally consider if there’s any reason to upgrade my 5700xt but then I remembered I still have 1080p monitors and have yet to cut down any graphics settings outside of specific cyberpunk things that were breaking the game at release and uh, those shouldn’t count.
Yeah, for 1080p, there not much point. Other than rt, you should be fine
Yeah for my monitor and gpu the highest refresh rate I can go without gpu spikes when scrolling webpages is 120. Not all games have fullscreen refresh rate options and I wished there was a way in the nvidia control panel to set different refreshes for desktop and 3D apps.
Doing some testing with cyberpunk 2077, I get framerates of 70-80 on benchmarks so I cap it at 60 for stability. It really feels different when I do 60fps cap @ 360hz compared to 60fps @ 120hz. Looking around and aiming feels smoother when I'm at my monitors max refresh rate even when capping fps.
Been troubleshooting some weird framerate drops in simple games (like Spelunky 2 and Slay the Spire) for MONTHS at this point (it didn't always used to be like this, so I feel like something changed/is actually wrong), and from what people are telling me/what I've seen on Google, it could be any type of failing hardware. I've been researching all this diagnostic software to see if I can at least tell what's failing: if I can't fix it, I can at least replace it/buy a new one.
it's like a 20% increase from a 5600xt to a 3060 and a 40% to a 3060 ti
3060 ti's are very high performance gain over base 3060s, close to base 3070s
still what does the card go for? $400-500? for a 20% increase, I guess more with DLSS but we're close enough to the 4000 series I would just wait it out. Might see those 3000 series cards go even close to original MSRP.
In Canada I see the 3060's go for $800 which is just crazy, but I assume the US is cheaper.
yeah canada pays both a currency conversion and a "fuck you it's more expensive dollar for dollar too" tax
there's actually an Asus 3060 available on canadian newegg right now for $530 CDN, remarkably cheaper than the other listed 3060s that are all $700 CDN or more, it's a little weird looking stubby one with only one fan, but the reviews don't have any complaints, seems to just be an extra short 3060 design.
just to clear up some FUD on the CAD pricing thing. It's really not that bad. looking at memory express right now, seeing 3060's in the $480 to $630 CAD range. that $480 card (which is actually in stock in two ontario stores) works out to $380 USD if you convert the currency.
So no, prices in Canada are not automatically +25% even after currency conversion. Just.... actually price shop.
oh hey my EVGA 3060 ti queue number from back in october finally came up, little late as I already grabbed a 3070 ti off the shelf, but I passed it on to someone.
I guess those 3D cache ryzen CPUs are out now? What's the deal with those?
in workloads that benefit from massive amounts of L3 cache, it's faster than the 5800X. Games are generally a bit more cache dependent so gaming benchmarks for the 5800X3D are generally better than the 5800X. In workloads that are not cache dependent on cache at all, it's slower than a 5800X because the clockspeeds are a bit slower.
It's a processor that feels a bit like a tech demo for future products. The street price of the 5900X is currently lower than the 5800X3D, so if you want core count, get that. But if you want to squeeze every last frame out of games, it's worth considering the 5800X3D.
But also if you're building a system around it, it's likely the last part ever built for the AM4 platform, so the definition of a dead end.
Got back from Microcenter for the first time. Man, that place is awesome. They even have an odd ball section for racing wheels, arcade cabinet stuff, and other things. Just a joy to walk around. Noticed they had a ton of 3080's and such in stock as well, so I guess that's a good sign that things are getting better.
Question does old thermal paste still in the tube go bad - asking before we start
It depends on the thermal paste. If left in the tube it'll start to separate over the course of a year or 2. Usually you can just squirt the first bit out, throw it away, than squeeze out the good stuff. Good thermal paste is designed to maintain consistency for years after bring spread onto your CPU. It'll be fine in the tube for longer.
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You can generally tell pretty easily if it's separated, it will be relatively obvious. If it's still paste, still pliable and isn't separating it's very likely still perfectly fine.
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Also check the card itself to see if it has a physical toggle between 'Silent', 'Default' and 'Overclock'. If it's toggles to Silent, that would also explain a bit.
Yeah, I might pick up a 5800x 3d to get better single thread performance than my 3900x if the pieces drop, but otherwise I'm going to wait for the 2nd gen chips for them to work the kinks out
I haven’t looked at coolers for years at this point.
I have a define nano s, itx case. Air flow will probably not be great!!
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be quiet! any of their low profile models
Noctua any of their low profile models
That case can fit a tall cooler (162mm) as Cormac says. Biggest thing I would look out for is compatibility with your motherboard - what motherboard do you have? How tall is your RAM? Sometimes ITX boards can have tall components close to the CPU socket.
Hmm
I have an EVGA Z170 Stinger mITX. I can’t open it up right now because it seems I have used safety screws in my computer desk mount and have gotten rid of the tool. 😬
But I feel very sure that the RAM is very close to the CPU and that I used both slots unfortunately.
I have dominator lpx which I feel is fairly low profile?
Vengeance LPX?
If so, height is 34mm.
Noctua says U12S will fit. Looking at the board, there looks like plenty of clearance so I think most tower coolers should work fine.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wjmLrH/noctua-nh-u12s-55-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-u12s
I will probably get this thing alive tomorrow now.
There’s a nice sale on SF600 currently…
That should probably be fine right? Stepping down 50W.
System is:
i7-6700k
mITX
2x16GB DDR4
1070 -> being replaced with 3050 dual fan
240 AIO -> being replaced by CPU fan
Yeah that's fine.
Tried fiddling with stuff like turning off g-sync and turning off web browser hardware acceleration, same thing. The only thing that kept my gpu core clocks/temps in check was dropping the refresh rate. Seems the highest I can go is 120hz. Is this a thing with high refresh rate displays?
You can try using GPU Shark and see if it tells you whats causing the spikes
It's likely the GPU is spiking because it's trying to display whatever content is on your display to 360fps. I'd go display settings -> advanced display settings -> refresh rate and set it to 120hz or 144hz. That should hopefully take care of it. I run my display at 144hz all the time and don't see abnormal spikes in non-gaming use unless the content can take advantage of the higher refresh rate. You can always turn the refresh rate back up to 360hz but that just asking for higher GPU temps for no reason since running a game at 360fps let alone over 200fps is completely unnecessary. Set it to 144hz or 165hz (something reasonable) and never think about it again.
You generally don't want to turn off GPU acceleration in your web browser. It makes it work a LOT better. You're seeing spikes because draw calls are so much more frequent. Whether your CPU is drawing what's on the screen or your CPU, those draw calls are going to cause more overhead on the system.
Say you want to load up a website. Your GPU needs to draw what you're seeing on the screen, pixel by pixel. Your web browser tells your GPU what pixels to draw and where. The hz of your monitor is how often it can handle the screen being redrawn. So you start scrolling down the page, your web browser is going to ask the GPU to redraw the screen 360 times per second. Previously it may have been only asked to 120 times a second or even just 60 times a second. It takes a lot of complicated math for your GPU to figure out roughly what it needs to be drawing. And the more math per second it's being asked to do the more that math will eat your your GPU cycles.
You can generally select your desired refresh rate independently of your desktop refresh rate in games where it might be needed.
I don't think there is a massive difference between those two cards, maybe like 10%?
I'm not sure that is worth the upgrade for the price the 3060 would cost unless you can sell the 5600xt.
A 3060Ti maybe...but even then
3060 ti's are very high performance gain over base 3060s, close to base 3070s
Yeah, for 1080p, there not much point. Other than rt, you should be fine
Doing some testing with cyberpunk 2077, I get framerates of 70-80 on benchmarks so I cap it at 60 for stability. It really feels different when I do 60fps cap @ 360hz compared to 60fps @ 120hz. Looking around and aiming feels smoother when I'm at my monitors max refresh rate even when capping fps.
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still what does the card go for? $400-500? for a 20% increase, I guess more with DLSS but we're close enough to the 4000 series I would just wait it out. Might see those 3000 series cards go even close to original MSRP.
In Canada I see the 3060's go for $800 which is just crazy, but I assume the US is cheaper.
there's actually an Asus 3060 available on canadian newegg right now for $530 CDN, remarkably cheaper than the other listed 3060s that are all $700 CDN or more, it's a little weird looking stubby one with only one fan, but the reviews don't have any complaints, seems to just be an extra short 3060 design.
Cars especially at the moment are killer.
So no, prices in Canada are not automatically +25% even after currency conversion. Just.... actually price shop.
edit: here's the 3060 on memory express for that price. https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00116072
in workloads that benefit from massive amounts of L3 cache, it's faster than the 5800X. Games are generally a bit more cache dependent so gaming benchmarks for the 5800X3D are generally better than the 5800X. In workloads that are not cache dependent on cache at all, it's slower than a 5800X because the clockspeeds are a bit slower.
It's a processor that feels a bit like a tech demo for future products. The street price of the 5900X is currently lower than the 5800X3D, so if you want core count, get that. But if you want to squeeze every last frame out of games, it's worth considering the 5800X3D.
But also if you're building a system around it, it's likely the last part ever built for the AM4 platform, so the definition of a dead end.
cursory internet search suggests it can expire, if it's stuff that's been lying around for more than a year or so probably throw it out.
It depends on the thermal paste. If left in the tube it'll start to separate over the course of a year or 2. Usually you can just squirt the first bit out, throw it away, than squeeze out the good stuff. Good thermal paste is designed to maintain consistency for years after bring spread onto your CPU. It'll be fine in the tube for longer.
HUB did a pretty thorough review of them.