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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    This guy was the only one to do a recording of a complete playthrough of Thunderscape.
    This is the last episode.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    The Dungeon Keeper games are each $1.50 on gog.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I don't know, some of these old dungeon crawlers will depress you.
    It used to be a thing one the PC for a while.

    Etrian Odyssey seemed to do it right. I need to collect all of those.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    I hope this is retro enough for this thread...

    After getting through all the hoops and horseshit that is buying PS1 games on the PS3 recently (Mega Man Legends and The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, specifically), I've seen different things about whether there's any upscaling or performance enhancement when playing them on PS3.

    Can anyone help me out? Are they going to look just like on the PS1? Look smoother? Do I have to do something to make it happen?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I hope this is retro enough for this thread...

    After getting through all the hoops and horseshit that is buying PS1 games on the PS3 recently (Mega Man Legends and The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, specifically), I've seen different things about whether there's any upscaling or performance enhancement when playing them on PS3.

    Can anyone help me out? Are they going to look just like on the PS1? Look smoother? Do I have to do something to make it happen?

    It doesn't let you double the resolution so it is jaggy just like a Playstation. They are sharper since it is in HD. You are not outputting to an old CRT.

    I remember there being something about an option to speed up load times.

    I have thought about getting some of the really rare games on PS3.

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    There is some basic upscaling and you want to use it, because a PS3 cannot output 240p, the original resolution of most PS1 games. It should scale to 1080p OK. You might have to turn scaling on in the game settings.

    Not sure if the "smoothing mode" is available on digital PS1 classics as opposed to discs, but if so it's just a bilinear filter across everything. Not really recommended unless you want to quash those polygon jaggies at all cost. The way "smoothing" works on PS2 backcompat is completely different so don't apply those same expectations to PS1.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Microsoft just put some of the older Elder Scrolls games on Steam. Redguard and Battlespire are $6, but Arena and Daggerfall are both free.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    In the gog version on Redguard there is this annoying little black line on the intro video.

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  • NathrakNathrak Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Anyone ever play Thunderscape?
    https://www.gog.com/game/thunderscape
    I don't know. The intro movie is pretty chunky.

    I still have Thunderscape on CD and have some fond memories but I definitely never beat it. Probably never got very far even. I liked the music :p

    rahkeesh2000
  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Microsoft just put some of the older Elder Scrolls games on Steam. Redguard and Battlespire are $6, but Arena and Daggerfall are both free.

    Oh man, ARENA, now that takes me back.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited April 27
    Thunderscape is really a brown game. It is mostly in caverns.

    Here is the other game set in the Thunderscape universe.
    https://www.gog.com/game/entomorph_plague_of_the_darkfall

    Krathoon on
  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Here is a patched up version of Daggerfall. It was a buggy game, so I would recommend it.
    https://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php?title=Daggerfall_:_DaggerfallSetup_EN

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I hope this is retro enough for this thread...

    After getting through all the hoops and horseshit that is buying PS1 games on the PS3 recently (Mega Man Legends and The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, specifically), I've seen different things about whether there's any upscaling or performance enhancement when playing them on PS3.

    Can anyone help me out? Are they going to look just like on the PS1? Look smoother? Do I have to do something to make it happen?

    It doesn't let you double the resolution so it is jaggy just like a Playstation. They are sharper since it is in HD. You are not outputting to an old CRT.

    I remember there being something about an option to speed up load times.

    I have thought about getting some of the really rare games on PS3.
    There is some basic upscaling and you want to use it, because a PS3 cannot output 240p, the original resolution of most PS1 games. It should scale to 1080p OK. You might have to turn scaling on in the game settings.

    Not sure if the "smoothing mode" is available on digital PS1 classics as opposed to discs, but if so it's just a bilinear filter across everything. Not really recommended unless you want to quash those polygon jaggies at all cost. The way "smoothing" works on PS2 backcompat is completely different so don't apply those same expectations to PS1.

    Thanks! If it's not too much trouble, is the setting with the games themselves, or in a separate menu? I can at least play around and see what I like then.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I hope this is retro enough for this thread...

    After getting through all the hoops and horseshit that is buying PS1 games on the PS3 recently (Mega Man Legends and The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, specifically), I've seen different things about whether there's any upscaling or performance enhancement when playing them on PS3.

    Can anyone help me out? Are they going to look just like on the PS1? Look smoother? Do I have to do something to make it happen?

    It doesn't let you double the resolution so it is jaggy just like a Playstation. They are sharper since it is in HD. You are not outputting to an old CRT.

    I remember there being something about an option to speed up load times.

    I have thought about getting some of the really rare games on PS3.
    There is some basic upscaling and you want to use it, because a PS3 cannot output 240p, the original resolution of most PS1 games. It should scale to 1080p OK. You might have to turn scaling on in the game settings.

    Not sure if the "smoothing mode" is available on digital PS1 classics as opposed to discs, but if so it's just a bilinear filter across everything. Not really recommended unless you want to quash those polygon jaggies at all cost. The way "smoothing" works on PS2 backcompat is completely different so don't apply those same expectations to PS1.

    Thanks! If it's not too much trouble, is the setting with the games themselves, or in a separate menu? I can at least play around and see what I like then.

    The settings are external to the games. It is in the PS3 menu. I think you can switch to it when running a game.

    LBD_Nytetrayn
  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited April 28
    Yes you pick your default setting in the system menu, think it's the "game settings" section. You can change that in-game by pressing the PS button, but any alterations made there probably will not be remembered for next session, so "game settings" is where you set the defaults.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular

  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    The 10th anniversary remake of The Settlers 2 is 16 years old.

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited April 29
    MLiG put out their promised LG C2 OLED TV gaming review, that became also a C1 review, although it's a bit long and ranty to watch unless you are seriously considering buying one of these. The TL;DW that you'd be hard pressed to find on any other TV review, is that the C2 is kind of bad for most Retro gaming uses. If the TV renders 4:3 at all (recieving a 4:3 signal, or being told to force something into 4:3), it adds a whopping 2-3 frames of lag, which is pretty serious for a TV that is otherwise at under a frame of lag in gaming mode. Meanwhile the C1 and earlier can still display 4:3 at under one frame. The C2 is also liable to glitch into a bad frame pacing mode if you supply it with odd resolutions, like 1920x1440 from a Mister or Retrotink, or 960p from an OSSC, which again the C1 seems to handle better. The only way you're likely to be able to enjoy retro content on this TV with its current firmware, is if you are able to output 1920x1080, putting the pillar-boxing into the signal itself to view 4:3 content. But with the C1 being so similar, and having more flexible BFI settings, it's hard to see why you would pick the C2 over it for retro.

    What's this? A tech choice I made actually paid off and didn't result in a completely superior version launching shortly after? Blasphemy!

    I just hooked up my SNT to it and the difference between the 55" C1 and what I had it displayed on previously (an old 24 inch desktop monitor) is staggering. The pixels are so crisp and the colors so vibrant looking, it's like playing a remaster or remake with most of these games. If you have the money and aren't hung up on displaying retro games exactly as intended on a CRT then I would go for one of these. Has the added benefit of being able to run most of the fancy features and doodads that the modern consoles provide (stunningly I might add).

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Krathoon wrote: »
    I hope this is retro enough for this thread...

    After getting through all the hoops and horseshit that is buying PS1 games on the PS3 recently (Mega Man Legends and The Misadventures of Tron Bonne, specifically), I've seen different things about whether there's any upscaling or performance enhancement when playing them on PS3.

    Can anyone help me out? Are they going to look just like on the PS1? Look smoother? Do I have to do something to make it happen?

    It doesn't let you double the resolution so it is jaggy just like a Playstation. They are sharper since it is in HD. You are not outputting to an old CRT.

    I remember there being something about an option to speed up load times.

    I have thought about getting some of the really rare games on PS3.
    There is some basic upscaling and you want to use it, because a PS3 cannot output 240p, the original resolution of most PS1 games. It should scale to 1080p OK. You might have to turn scaling on in the game settings.

    Not sure if the "smoothing mode" is available on digital PS1 classics as opposed to discs, but if so it's just a bilinear filter across everything. Not really recommended unless you want to quash those polygon jaggies at all cost. The way "smoothing" works on PS2 backcompat is completely different so don't apply those same expectations to PS1.

    Thanks! If it's not too much trouble, is the setting with the games themselves, or in a separate menu? I can at least play around and see what I like then.

    The settings are external to the games. It is in the PS3 menu. I think you can switch to it when running a game.
    Yes you pick your default setting in the system menu, think it's the "game settings" section. You can change that in-game by pressing the PS button, but any alterations made there probably will not be remembered for next session, so "game settings" is where you set the defaults.

    Thanks! I'll try to give it a look this weekend. =)

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    I would recommend getting the Klonoa, Tomba!, and Darkstalker PSOne games on the PS3. Those are really rare.

    I don't know it the Breath of Fire games are also on there. If so, get those too.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    They're doing a Darkstalkers collection and new Klonoa ports so they might not be the highest priority.

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    They're doing a Darkstalkers collection and new Klonoa ports so they might not be the highest priority.

    Yeah. There is a Capcom Fighter collection that has all the Darkstalkers games coming out soon.

  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    what's SNT

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Witches 4 HQRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Betsuni wrote: »
    Namrok wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Betsuni wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    You keep saying things that make me feel Old, and I really don't appreciate it.

    That's the beauty of this forum. We can all feel old together.

    Then tell the youth stories of how we had to insert game cartridges, floppy disks, cassettes, or quarters to play games when we were young.

    Stay a while and listen, children...

    about the time I had to CALL the internet...

    and your pr0n came in a pixelated amalgamation of horror

    but it's all you had since your mom had to call Blockbuster to find out what time they close to return the movie you all rented,

    and if maybe, lord have mercy, they still had any copies of Jurassic Park left

    Oh man, don't get me started about the porn.

    My earliest online porn experiences were on, well today it would be called an imageboard. Except it had no thumbnails, because 14.4kbps. So it was nothing but text descriptions of the images. And you'd click one, and it would very, very slowly load in from the top. If all went well, after about 3 minute the whole, single image would have loaded in all it's dithered glory. If you weren't, the request would timeout somewhere above drawing the first boob. Or somewhere halfway through you'd realize the picture wasn't what you were hoping for.

    Meanwhile, you're trying to exorcise your puberty onto a tissue as quickly as possible so you don't get caught, and none of the above technical issues are helping. So maybe, while you have an entire hour and the house to yourself, you begin the audacious plan to actually print one of those images! And yes, it will take an entire hour. Probably 30 minutes to find an appropriate image worth committing to the permanence of paper, and then maybe 10-15 minutes to actually print it, followed by another 10-15 minutes to hide/destroy all the evidence.

    Man, there is a lot about the 90's I'm nostalgic for, but not that.

    Started playing Master of Magic for the first time. Crashes or locks up on me a ton though. Turns out my CD version is 1.2. I guess the final official patch was 1.31? And the latest community patch is 1.52.03? I'm often averse to community patches, especially patches decades on since they are frequently balanced for the hardcore players who've actually been playing it the entire 30 years. Any MoM fans here with thoughts on them?

    Ahhh... The good old days...

    ??


    I feel bad that I recognized nearly everything CBG was saying.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Betsuni wrote: »
    Namrok wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Betsuni wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »
    You keep saying things that make me feel Old, and I really don't appreciate it.

    That's the beauty of this forum. We can all feel old together.

    Then tell the youth stories of how we had to insert game cartridges, floppy disks, cassettes, or quarters to play games when we were young.

    Stay a while and listen, children...

    about the time I had to CALL the internet...

    and your pr0n came in a pixelated amalgamation of horror

    but it's all you had since your mom had to call Blockbuster to find out what time they close to return the movie you all rented,

    and if maybe, lord have mercy, they still had any copies of Jurassic Park left

    Oh man, don't get me started about the porn.

    My earliest online porn experiences were on, well today it would be called an imageboard. Except it had no thumbnails, because 14.4kbps. So it was nothing but text descriptions of the images. And you'd click one, and it would very, very slowly load in from the top. If all went well, after about 3 minute the whole, single image would have loaded in all it's dithered glory. If you weren't, the request would timeout somewhere above drawing the first boob. Or somewhere halfway through you'd realize the picture wasn't what you were hoping for.

    Meanwhile, you're trying to exorcise your puberty onto a tissue as quickly as possible so you don't get caught, and none of the above technical issues are helping. So maybe, while you have an entire hour and the house to yourself, you begin the audacious plan to actually print one of those images! And yes, it will take an entire hour. Probably 30 minutes to find an appropriate image worth committing to the permanence of paper, and then maybe 10-15 minutes to actually print it, followed by another 10-15 minutes to hide/destroy all the evidence.

    Man, there is a lot about the 90's I'm nostalgic for, but not that.

    Started playing Master of Magic for the first time. Crashes or locks up on me a ton though. Turns out my CD version is 1.2. I guess the final official patch was 1.31? And the latest community patch is 1.52.03? I'm often averse to community patches, especially patches decades on since they are frequently balanced for the hardcore players who've actually been playing it the entire 30 years. Any MoM fans here with thoughts on them?

    Ahhh... The good old days...

    ??


    I feel bad that I recognized nearly everything CBG was saying.

    It reminded me of when a T1 was what was aspired to by those even aware of it.

    Halcyon days.

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited April 30
    what's SNT

    https://www.analogue.co/super-nt

    A high-end FPGA-based SNES clone known for replicating the timing and functions of the original hardware to a near exact degree (to the point where it's compatible with nearly all carts and accesories used with the original system), with one key exception being that it outputs directly to HDMI, as well as the inclusion of QoL stuff such as cart dumping, scalers, the ability to customize the display area, an audio player for playing the soundtrack files of SNES games, stuff like that.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    So, update: fiddled with the settings, and... yeah, not a whole lot of improvement one way or the other. Oh well.

    That said, I do have the PS1 discs for all three games, I mostly did this for streaming ease, but now I'm curious: is there a way I can do that and get better results?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Yeah. If you really want to enhance PS1 games, you have to play them in an emulator on the PC. Double resolution does help allot.

    august
  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Or you can go the other direction, PS2s are dirt cheap, you can get that native 240p output into a CRT or some upscaler device.

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    If you want to make ps1 games look "good" or better in the traditional sense, you're looking at having to have a decent pc of some sort and running duckstation or psx_hw.

  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    You will be surprised how much detail PS1 games have when you bump up the resolution.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited May 2
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Yeah. If you really want to enhance PS1 games, you have to play them in an emulator on the PC. Double resolution does help allot.
    Or you can go the other direction, PS2s are dirt cheap, you can get that native 240p output into a CRT or some upscaler device.
    august wrote: »
    If you want to make ps1 games look "good" or better in the traditional sense, you're looking at having to have a decent pc of some sort and running duckstation or psx_hw.

    Gotcha. I wasn't sure if there was some sort of third-party clone console that did the job that I was unaware of.

    So, I guess I'm good for now, then! Thanks! =D

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2
    A 4K Retrotink may be available at some point relatively soon:



    Mike Chi is the guy behind the Retrotink range of OSSC's. An OSSC is a device that converts analog signals to digital ones.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited May 2
    Was there a fully polygonal 3D game before this?


    3D 3D and not wireframe so Battlezone and Star Wars Arcade don't count.

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    edited May 3
    I, of the Mask comes to mind (1985):



    Then there were the Freescape games, which started with Driller (1987):



    The same year as Hard Drivin' (1989), but later on in the year, came the almighty STUN Runner:



    Always a special game to me as I owned an original arcade machine of it from 2004 to 2011. So fast and smooth for the time, absolutely incredible game. The only good home conversion IMO was, weirdly enough, the one on the Atari Lynx - it actually ditched the polygons to recreate the game entirely using sprite scaling and it worked shockingly well, with all the speed and fluidity other conversions lacked:



    Forgive its resolution, it was on a handheld!

    The arcade version eventually resurfaced on Midway Arcade Treasures 3 on Xbox and PS2.

    Edit: I am pretty sure Hard Drivin' was the first to feature instant replays, though.

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    I, Robot was 1983. Surely the first has to be an arcade game either way.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Was there a fully polygonal 3D game before this?


    3D 3D and not wireframe so Battlezone and Star Wars Arcade don't count.

    I always forget that this game very obviously inspired the home PC game Stunts from 1990 (if Stunts didn't just rip it off completely).



    One of the first English-language video games I ever played.

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  • Handsome CostanzaHandsome Costanza Ask me about 8bitdo RIP Iwata-sanRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Was there a fully polygonal 3D game before this?


    3D 3D and not wireframe so Battlezone and Star Wars Arcade don't count.

    I used to play this game a lot at my friends house and we spent whole sleepovers solely concerned with doing nothing but jumping off the side of that loopty-loop to see how high we could get.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Witches 4 HQRegistered User regular
    I played this game on my Ms. PacMan Arcade1up:



    Yeesh, was it brutal. Took me nearly 3 hours to clear, can't imagine trying in an actual arcade...

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