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External job recruiter question
I have been talking with an external recruiter for a job at a nearby company. They informed me a position at a company will be opening later this week and I sent them my resume. As part of this request they asked that I do not apply for any other positions at the company as if I apply they won't be able to represent me for this first position per the policy of the company I am applying to.
Does this sound normal and is there anything I should look out for when talking to this recruiter? We've discussed pay and the recruiter is only obtaining a commission from the company for finding candidates. Obviously they would want to represent me for the position we discussed so they receive a commission rather than I apply myself, but I am wondering if working through this recruiter will help when applying. Any advice or experience working with an external recruiter is welcome!
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Also: is this recruiter officially affiliated with this company, or are they just a 3rd party who are trying to make a dime off of any candidates they get placed with this company? Sounds to me like the recruiter is trying to hamper your chances of landing a good job just so they can make some profit off of you.
Thanks for the reply, I have not signed any paperwork with this recruiter. What the recruiter has done with me thus far is coordinated an interview with a manager for a position that is in the process of being created, but is going through HR and not been posted.
As far as the recruiter, they do not work for the company I am trying to get into, they are a 3rd party external recruiter. The recruiter said if I apply for other positions directly they can not represent me for this current position per an agreement the recruiter has with the company. How much of this is true? I don't know, this is what has been communicated to me.
You are right that it would be in the recruiter's best interest to go through them to apply for this position rather than the other ones myself. Does this seem like a standard practice for an external/3rd party recruiter? I've never gone through one before and it seems advantageous if they are hearing about positions and talking with the manager before the posting has been made. This is for a full time position too if that adds some clarity, I would be working for the company I am applying for, not the recruiter's company.
They're not doing anything for you. I suppose having contacts who offer positions before they're posted is nice, but the conflict of interest is real.
If I were you I’d take the interview, bring copies of your resume with your phone number on it. But here’s the dirty business. Unless it’s a large company, if they want you for another position they’ll encourage you to apply or ask. If it’s a company of less than 500 employees, the same folks look at all the resumes. So if you’ve allied to 5 positions with the company, it doesn’t look great.
Basically, the company has terms that if you come to them as a candidate independent of that recruiter, the recruiter doesn't get paid for headhunting you.
Having been a skilled trades recruiter, he's trying to ensure that the company doesn't undercut him and his fee that he gets by presenting them with your information.
That said, it can be useful to work with a recruiter, because they can function as your personal hype man. And can open doors that would otherwise not be, because the average resume read time is about 30 seconds to 1 minute by your average HR hiring lackey. Having another person's voice, and another person's recommendation that, "hey you should really take a look at this guy" can be far more impactful than sending in 100 resumes. Networking gets jobs, not a slip of paper. Unless you're an engineer or something.
That said, you have no obligation to be loyal specifically to him, other than to wait and see if his pitch on your behalf is successful. If it's not, feel free to apply away for that company or any other. In general, recruiters get pissed if after the introduction they make, the company or you, tried to go outside their billing system. It's treated as scalping essentially.
Use recruiters as resources and at times useful business partners, but don't trust your livelihood to them.
Also agree with Manwith's comments. The recruiter can be a great resource. Before every interview I had a call with the recruiter where he gave me the rundown on positions of the people interviewing me, and their skillsets. Things like this interviewer is really technical so you can get in the weeds with them, but with this one stay higher level. When I made it to the final round gave me a lot of tips and strategy about interviewing with the VP, such as "he likes to throw a lot of hypotheticals at you, but don't be afraid to take a second to think about your answer, he doesn't mind that."
If you have an in demand skill set, one of the best outcomes is to get companies in bidding wars over them. A good recruiter will use the pitch, "I thought you might want to take one last look , he just got x offer at this company, if you want to make a counter bid now's the Time."
That said, I'm glad it's good news for you!
However, recruiters can fuck off forever if they're asking you to stop your entire job search. If they ask you to, just lie to them unless you're actually under some employment contract that prevents you from taking other work. Literally ignore that shit, lie if the recruiter asks, and continue job hunting.
lots of recruiters won't bother their ass to try and place you if they believe you're gonna vanish into another role while they're halfway through getting you hired somewhere. So fuck them, lie about it.