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and I felt like that line does a lot to redeem the sequels to me. It makes things like the architect being so sure of how right the system is to the point that they think of Neo as an error they already accounted for feel like a straight line to machine revolution and the state of the real world in 4
I don’t necessarily think it should have felt twenty years old per se, but I did not expect the total experience to feel so disconnected from the movie series, particularly when they overlaid or interspersed the old footage. It was thematically appropriate for the old footage to come from a completely different world but I don’t think I expected it to be so pronounced.
Anyway everyone has already pointed out the dodgy action scenes (yuen woo ping we love you) and special effects.
The scene with Keanu and Carrie Anne just sitting and talking was sweet and did more than anything to carry me through the movie.
As a result, I kind of wondered if the stakes were purposely being kept low - the original peace deal worked, even as new dangers emerged and people proved more resistant to leaving the matrix than expected. Zion is in hiding because of new dangers, but their technology has improved and they’ve taken meaningful steps towards improving peoples lives. Strawberries and recreating something like weather are indicators of progress.
If the analyst is kind of just a rogue mad scientist, essentially doing a crazy experiment in the matrix’s garage, then the stakes are purposely designed to be pretty minimal, though very personal for Neo and Trinity. That might support a reading of the movie, and the ending in particular, as something more personal than systemic. Kind of a radical abdication of responsibility for trying to control something overly large and chaotic (the real world and original matrix) instead of the smaller world you have influence over. And it probably could have occurred to me sooner, but the unification of Neo and Trinity being necessary in order to confront the Analyst and the beliefs responsible for their imprisonment seems meaningful in the context of shaping your own more personal world.
I’m going to wind up rewatching this damn movie and it’s going to ruin everything.
It's not a side project. It's stated in the film that the Matrix saved by the peace treaty started losing too many people and that power shortage sparked a civil war amongst the machines. The Analyst is on the side that won and his updated version of the Matrix is now generating even more power than before by manipulating the emotions of people, boosted by Neo/Trinity.
Generating more power per person than the old Matrix, not generating more power than the old Matrix. The bad guy Machines are clearly immensely weaker than they were in the trilogy where they had the strength to casually wipe every new Zion off the map with each iteration of the cycle using hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Sentinels; in this film, they seemed to have only mere hundreds of Sentinels available to protect the one place that made their nuMatrix feasible.
And considering how few humans seem to be in the nuMatrix and that the bad Machines couldn't even detect a ship approaching their single most vital resource (compared to the original films, where Machine territory was protected by immense continuous anti-air batteries even though the humans never could have possibly attacked that way), the bad Machines definitely look like they've lost a whole lot of their force. Plus, it seems like ships can safely park way up near the surface for connecting to the Matrix, whereas the old situation had so much Sentinel coverage that ships had to carefully use tunnels far below the surface to do anything. And they had to be super-watchful the whole time they were broadcasting.
The bad machines still have more raw military force than the good guys, but I don't think they have as much as even what they threw against Zion in the trilogy. And it would seem that even just losing the whole Neo/Trinity "boost" to power generation would be enough to pitch the balance of power in favor of the rebel side (or leave the bad Machines terribly exposed to other Machine factions), which is why the Analyst is so desperate to restore the old situation.
You don't think they had chemistry in the Matrix films? :eh:
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I think they had a couple moments, but they were immensely overwhelmed by the movies trying to Maximum Cool at almost all times. They're all business in the Matrix/onboard or around other people, so we get a small spate of scenes in the second film where they get to be an actual couple with each other. And they're collectively shorter than the time Neo spends talking about life support machinery with the councilman.
It didn't help that the love interest angle was almost entirely one-sided, with Trinity being the one talking about her connection to Neo and Neo just largely going "yeah, that's fine" about their connection most of the time. The exceptions being whenever Trinity was about to die and Neo had to pop up and save her.
Throughout the movie the only change is every time Neo says "Whoa" in the old script he instead says "Why am I doing this?"
Nope, as far as I could tell, Trinity loved Neo because the Oracle said she would. There's nothing there. Also, it doesn't help that she's wrapped up in that suit all the time. I know people find that look sexy, it looks like sous vide to me.
That and Trinity was also spying on Thomas Anderson for months while looking for The One.
Stalker infatuation helped their relationship.
She does look perfectly tender and cooked.
Even this and the comments display the division between reactions to this film. Is either this revolutionary reaction to cash cow sequels and social media or "the film that is completely up it's own ass and has bad fight scenes". That video obviously favors the latter though.
Though mostly the fights were fine, just not as good as the original. Aside from the rooftop just not working at all.
But then, I was never a huge fan of the Matrix series. I've seen all four films, and the Animatrix, but I was only really a fan of the first film. We re-watched the original earlier the same day that we watched the newest, but skipped 2 & 3, which I probably haven't seen since the aughts. I would say that despite the newest film's supposedly terrible fights and cheap effects, I enjoyed it more than 2 or 3.
Of the Animatrix shorts, I remember thinking the one about the track star done by the Aeon Flux guy and the one with the kids who find the glitch in the rundown tenement were really cool explorations of the setting, but most of the others didn't do it for me. I thought the extended backstory of the human/AI war was excessively grimdark. Like the thrust of 'the AIs were just misunderstood' didn't bother me, it was the overall presentation.
I don't understand the people who think this movie is any kind of edgy commentary. Who had to approve this movie? Who let it leave the cutting room? Those same execs laughing all the way to the bank (or maybe not the bank, if you believe the headlines).
Edit: not directed at you, Scottsman(or anyone in particular). Just a general thought.
That's also mentioned on the video. I mean, it seems like it was ok, but absolutely no movie on this planet was going to be a serious competition to Spiderman Meets Spiderman Meets Spiderman. Is that simple.
The end chase went on about 20 minutes too long.
Sure, watching Trinity haul bullet shield Neo around on a bike is fun for a bit, but there's only so much I can watch Reeve's clench while CGI bullets bounce off a CGI barrier.
Oh obviously. They were literally putting Red Piller philosophy in Doogie Howsers mouth
https://www.polygon.com/22842862/analyst-matrix-resurrections-architect-explained
To me, it was an indictment of the entire entertainment industry as we know it today, social media and the internet included. We've allowed ourselves to become so immersed in the internet, it's also changing how we act, think and talk to one another
This is kinda how Facebook is these days. You might not use Facebook, but you probably have used something they own. Same goes for Google or Amazon, or so on and so forth. We've all been made to believe this is just how things are and how they have to be, when that's never been the case.
Also, what would have happened if his plan with Cypher had succeeded? Would the machines actually have gone through with wiping out Zion, or would they have continued to wait for the One to show up first? Like, was his entire purpose basically a lie? Security Theater to make humanity feel like the machines were putting up a fight?
So yeah, they fully intended to just wipe out Zion if Cypher had succeeded. I guess it's just kind of hand-waved away in subsequent films since he didn't succeed.
My line of questioning was how to interpret elements of the first movie in light of that retcon.
It definitely feels intentional that smith initially compares humanity to a virus, then goes on to become basically that himself
Ed: like, we know smith is at least semi-autonomous from the machine intelligence; it seems plausible that his dialogue with cypher is him trying to fulfill his mission, without knowing it’s actually a sham
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
So, no wonder he’s pissed
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat