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Australian & NZ Politics: PrimMin ScoMo No Mo'

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    plufim wrote: »
    The Clive ads on YouTube took a shift towards the unhinged today. Probably because they'll not get pulled down in time for the end of the election.

    The claim: that our health departments are being transferred to the WHO (huh?) Who will be run by the Chinese government (whut?!?).

    I particularly despise their ads that trick you into thinking they're the second ad by starting over even 10 seconds. Should be against YouTube rules.

    Welp, this’ll definitely lock in my crazy cousin/aunt voting block.

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular

    "Scott Morrison just destroyed a child in Tasmania. "
    *clip of ScoMo tripping and falling on a kid during a sporting event*
    - Ben Graham is a journo.

    Both the kid (thankfully) and ScoMo (I'll withhold judgement) appear to be fine.

    But you'ld think after the classic BoJo rugby incident, putting your party's leader in a position to just wreck a child, would be a no-no in political circles.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 18
    So straight up a Nazi.

    Curious what the LNP reaction will be.

    Ignore it.
    Continue to support her.
    Backflip and say they never supported her.

    I can see them trying any of them, frankly.

    -Loki- on
  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Is she even likely to win?

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Is she even likely to win?

    It went Liberal every election since 1945, and Abbott won multiple times, before losing to an Independent at the last one.

    So, whether that's an outlier, or a change of philosophy, we just don't know yet.

    We don't have polling (or reliable partisanship) to the depth that the US does, so there's unlikely to be a reliable predictor until Saturday arvo.

  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    Certainly be interesting to see what happens there. She’s just utterly reprehensible, but I am unsure yet if that makes her entirely unpalatable in Australia or not.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited May 18
    MorganV wrote: »

    "Scott Morrison just destroyed a child in Tasmania. "
    *clip of ScoMo tripping and falling on a kid during a sporting event*
    - Ben Graham is a journo.

    Both the kid (thankfully) and ScoMo (I'll withhold judgement) appear to be fine.

    But you'ld think after the classic BoJo rugby incident, putting your party's leader in a position to just wreck a child, would be a no-no in political circles.


    So many bulldozer takes already.
    I do appreciate the no-shirts kid taking the shot after the PM clobbers the defender though.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    But you'ld think after the classic BoJo rugby incident, putting your party's leader in a position to just wreck a child, would be a no-no in political circles.
    Why? It never loses votes. It's media fluff and doesn't affect voting.

    Oh no! Scomo tripped and fell! Truly, he is not Prime Minister material. Fuck this just makes me angry. Genuinely, this makes him look like a loveable oaf. BoJo's relied on the same persona for decades and it never lost him an election. All this is free advertising for him. It's not an own, anyone who cares wasn't voting for him, its entirely to his benefit.

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    But you'ld think after the classic BoJo rugby incident, putting your party's leader in a position to just wreck a child, would be a no-no in political circles.
    Why? It never loses votes. It's media fluff and doesn't affect voting.

    Oh no! Scomo tripped and fell! Truly, he is not Prime Minister material. Fuck this just makes me angry. Genuinely, this makes him look like a loveable oaf. BoJo's relied on the same persona for decades and it never lost him an election. All this is free advertising for him. It's not an own, anyone who cares wasn't voting for him, its entirely to his benefit.

    It hasn't, because in both cases, the kids were fine.

    If the kid had been seriously hurt/hospitalized/worse, then it'd be THE story.

    A 100+kg man landing on top of kid less than half his weight, there's a not insignificant chance that the kid doesn't just laugh it off. Not enough that I'd risk the campaign on it.

  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited May 18
    Good news is that his opponents are doing his campaigning for him :rotate:

    In both cases the kids were fine, yet in both cases it was used to dunk on the politician. This doesn't make the politician look bad, it makes their opponents look bad. It's an own goal. If the election was decided on this, then ScoMo would easily win. Thank goodness it isn't.

    Edit- "gaffes" are something of a bugbear for me. The media loves to pretend that something embarrassing can throw out a campaign because it makes the media look interesting and important. But generally, gaffes are not important. Yes it was funny when Ed Miliband ate the sandwich, but it didn't affect his polling which was already on a downward trajectory for years (in fact it stopped declining for a little bit the month after he ate the sandwich). That American guy did the "yeehaw" but he was already so far behind that he had no way of winning. Trump had so many gaffes, weird handshakes, twitter typos, well done steaks, fast food dinners, scoops of ice cream and none of that had an impact on people's voting. The couple I can recall that did have an impact on polling weren't even gaffes, he insulted a veteran's family and said "grab 'em by the pussy" in a recording. (Using overseas examples as they have better polling, you can look at a gaffe and then see no response in polling)

    In Australian politics, I think of Tony Abbott. The guy who is infamous for wearing budgie smugglers and eating a raw onion. Both of which were his most endearing traits. It's a very strange way to attack a person. He's an awful man and he ought be infamous for more than what he wears and eats but that's not what people remember.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    None of this matters. Kids are way more durable than you think. It's a lot harder to land on someone you are trying not to land on in order to break them badly than you think also, cos people are obviously trying not to do that.

    Just...

    None of it matters.

    Ignore it.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    Done a democracy.

    I enjoy numbering every box, but... boy, wish there was just the one fascist party to put last!

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    i fucking love adam bandt

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  • SolventSolvent Econ-artist กรุงเทพมหานครRegistered User regular
    Yeah, the quality of Greens candidates varies a lot (to be expected, of course), and I am so happy that Bandt is the one they got into the lower house.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    So how are NZ folk feeling about the budget?

    I'm happy to hear that permanent half price public transport is being rolled into the community services card.

    The payment is.. Something? To be honest, I dislike the you're getting the Winter Energy Payment? You don't get it. It also just in general feels bandaidy.

    Pharmac getting more is good, as is medical funding. Both seem very sorely needed

    That said I'm not seeing a lot that fits anything to fix the underlying issues with wealth inequality, inflation etc. Lack of rent controls for instance. Though I'm not sure how one goes about fixing those really.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    i haven't really paid much attention to Budget stuff today. was too busy trying to finish up all the work that I ignored the rest of the week.

    I guess I'm stuck with "it could be worse but it could also be so much better"

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    The greens really leaning hard into being the party for disillusioned millennials and as a member of said group I am HERE for it

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  • FishmanFishman Put your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain. Registered User regular
    I'm glad the project I've been working on as BUDGET SENSITIVE #1 for the last 3 months got announced, and so I still have something to do until July 2023.

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  • SolventSolvent Econ-artist กรุงเทพมหานครRegistered User regular
    edited May 19
    Greens get whacked with the media stick for apparently taking radically irresponsible positions re: the economy, but for me it's depressing that our captured media considers the Liberal benchmark of give public money to and swing things as far as possible in favour of your specific business mates to be the epitome of "responsible economic management."

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  • Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    edited May 19
    The Liberal's succeess made a lot more sense to me after watching CGP Grey's "rules for rulers" video:



    TLDR; The Liberals win elections because they've figured out how to give the maximum possible money to the minimum number of people needed to swing the election their way. The Ginas, the Ruperts, the Clives. These people (especially Rupert) are the keys to power in Australia, and its easier to send them all a big bag of money than to bother with trifling things like what the public actually wants; the keys to power will tell the public what they want. Labor, meanwhile, is trying to appeal to demographics, which is a lot harder than sending kickbacks to a select group of high-level executives and policymakers.

    This also explains why they all have giant stiffys for the mining industry; mining naturally puts a lot of money and therefore power into the hands of a few people, and a few people are easily influenced. If Australia's economy was dominated by the IT or Manufacturing sectors, they might actually have to worry about making policies that appeal to people in those industries. So lets not diversify our economy, lets base our entire economy around digging shit out of the ground and selling it to China, what could possibly go wrong?

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  • SolventSolvent Econ-artist กรุงเทพมหานครRegistered User regular
    That is a great video and a good lens to use to better understand politics in developing states, in particular.

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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Perhaps we should look at systems of governance that structurally, fundamentally, work against individuals accumulating enough treasure that such a thing is possible

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Perhaps we should look at systems of governance that structurally, fundamentally, work against individuals accumulating enough treasure that such a thing is possible

    look I tried but the Socialist Alliance weren't running a candidate in my electorate this year.

    Tef
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  • AegeriAegeri Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    plufim wrote: »

    It’s over now don’t you know, so we can lie about it and curry favor with idiots.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited May 20
    Motherfuckers so desperate they're using Clive's tactics:
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    Fuck off, Morrison.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited May 21

    An artist has turned up to a Prahran polling booth with this plinth of #CoalMo. Partly made of coal and probably more effective than our current Prime Minister.

    -Loki- on
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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    I did the democracy and got the sausage. I also found the Federal ICAC Now party, and they got a vote.

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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    I did the democracy and got the sausage. I also found the Federal ICAC Now party, and they got a vote.

    Hi 5! They got my first preference for the Senate.

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  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Whelp, here we go. ABC livestream here.

    After the last election I have zero faith in the Australian electorate. They showed themselves on the whole to be parochial and selfish despite all our self-serving stereotypes. If they got bored of the LNP, all the better.

    If not, I have a bottle of black Sambulca at hand. I hope it stays in the cabinet.

  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Yeah it’s one of those ‘hoping for the best, fully expecting the worst’ situations for me.

    Might break out some whisky.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Is Australia similar to the U.S where the rural precincts report first?

  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Is Australia similar to the U.S where the rural precincts report first?

    Yep, small rural areas report first typically. Kinda similar situation to the US where there's a handful of swing areas that'll probably decide the election.

    We should know soon, unless there's a freak occurence (like ten years ago, where both parties were a couple of seats short of forming government, leaving two independents to play kingmaker for several days before we knew who won).

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Fortunately, it looks like Warringah is staying with the Independent

    Also, If I was doing a drinking game, "Early Days" would kill me.

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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Suriko wrote: »
    Dickson called for Labor, the fascist potato is gone.

    Get dunked, Dutton.

    Wait seriously? If nothing else goes right tonight that's it's own victory.

    Mr Ray
  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    I am very pleased to see Dutton go. The little fiefdom he's been creating for himself by consolidating portfolios was concerning, and I'll feel a lot better if Frydenberg gets the boot and Dutton is no longer sitting in the wings.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Unfortunately, they did say it was called, and are now saying while it looks like it's projected to go that way, it is not finished

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