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[Phalla] GAME OVER!! MAFIA CONCEDED!! VILLAGE WON!!
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So originally when Green and I came up with this idea, we weren’t sure how we were going to go about it. We were thinking of doing a team idea, where everyone picks a partner on day 0 and then can answer the riddle and only 1 of the 2 needing to answer. Then both would have to agree on a prize they wanted and either one could use it.
Then, we quickly realized we had no idea how to make people invested in being on a team. We were unable to come up with an idea that seemed to satisfy why a partner in this game would be important. So, we got rid of that mechanic.
We talked about the village getting 2 guards, 1 seer, and 1 vig because previously when we ran games the Mafia was on point and/or overpowered and the village didn’t really have much to assist them.
Originally there was going to be 6 Mafia. However, since only 24 people signed up, we figured 5 would be fine. We weren’t sure how quickly the Mafia would be able to answer riddles and when we would be posting them. I tried to post them when I noticed the most people were active. It’s difficult to know everyone’s schedule. Looking back I know that the riddles probably should have been “PM the answer to the hosts” and put up with daily narratives instead of separately.
With OOO changing daily, the OOO were Vote Manip/Vote protection>Vote>Guard>resurrection>Bus Driver>Power Vig>Village Vig>Mafia. After reading comments I realize now that usual mechanic would be that all Vig powers just go off simultaneously and I will remember this in the future.
Prizes for the riddles were randomly chosen. The idea for the riddles was that whoever quoted the riddles and the top three answers would get the choices as 1st getting one of three, 2nd one of two, and 3rd getting the remainder.
Thursday was and AWFUL day for me. I was overworked and stressed out about family things, so Green took over the riddle prizes and that’s how the mix up with 38thDoe happened. Green thought that it was just the first three people regardless of if they quoted or not. Then when I realized the mistake it was already too late and I couldn’t really take away a prize. I attempted to fix by adding extra usage or a different prize, but it had already been done.
There was always a plan that when the Mafia reached to 3 that a resurrection would be thrown their way, but it seemed that the moral of the Mafia had been diminished too much by that point, so they called it quits.
I may re-look at the mechanics a bit more and rerun this game in the future with tweaking done to make it more balanced. I really hope everyone enjoyed the game as much as they were able. I really enjoy being able to run Phallas with my husband Green. It gives us opportunity to be creative together and attempt to make something fun and different!
I'd add that just because vigs traditionally go off simultaneously, doesn't mean they have to. I saw no real mechanical problem with the way you had it this game?
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Yeah, I understood what you meant. Yet what you said made more sense mechanically for the game honestly. Cause if I had, then the seer LostNinja would have also died and could have actually/possibly made the Mafia less discouraged that they would/could not win!
At least I had the net size right before conceding.
Seer, seen, Gizzy, Darke, and Endless who you're not going to touch before looking at everyone else.
5/12
And me seen.
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The way you worded the rez in our discord, it sounded like we were being awarded the rez because our situation was untenable.
So yeah, I at least conceded because of that, on top of the untenable position.
If we'd known we would get that at the beginning of the game, I wouldn't have been further demoralised.
Also rez conversions are .. not great.
If we'd rezzed anyone:
- They would've now been on the losing team
- If they were part of the village network (h3 if he knew), they would have blown that net wide open, and then we just pick off the seer etc.
I mean they're fair game, if they're noted in the phalla game signup post.
Otherwise people do not know to expect them, and will get upset when they occur.
Clearly we are the villagers of the match -_-
I did put that there were ressurections in the OP.
Plus Brody and 38th both being soft confirmed from night 4. The order was already in to seer 3cl1ps3 on Monday. Phyphor was on our suspicion list and would probably have been the next target, but had way better vote placement of the night that Sir Fab was voted out so I was on the fence with them.
The Sir Fab vote was what really turned it around after we saw where all of the votes went after we were able to start that wagon earlier in the day without doing a reveal. I was convinced you were village up until that point.
Resurrections and conversions are different I feel.
Did anyone trust Endless when they came back? At least publicly, there was a lot of suspicion he wasn't village anymore.
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Not a lot I could do with that vote.
Brody and Sir Fab were equally inactive so, wasn't really reason to jump.
I also sort of felt my evaluation of both wagons sounded too hesitant.
3cl1ps3's post was way too on the nose there though.
But yeah, everyone else jumping on my wagon was a mistake.
Also killing Aura day 2 when he's only voted me? Not sure what that was about.
Yeah, but he's not mafia
You find the mafia first, and then kill the dodgy purple guy if the game doesn't end.
And there was no SK kill.
I started playing super cavalier after I had the vote immunity and days 1-3 went so well for us.
Boy howdy did it go tits up fast on day 4.
Like, for a while, the first two clarifications asked were always:
- Are there thralls? (Mafias that see as villagers)
- Are there conversions?
(This then got incorporated into phalla OPs, and more or less dropped now)
That is, can the village network trust itself?
Resurrections are not necessarily preventing that, but resurrecting bad does.
.. I did not want your game to fall afoul of this.
i thought the seer was dead, and that we were losing badly until day 4 happened.
also i suspected all the specials were mafia, so that went... well.
But now I’m going to do it all the time
Yeah the fab wagon sank us. 4/5 mafia were on brody
Yes and no.
Not sure if this is false analysis.
Looks like 3-4 village network players on Sir Fab pre-call, so i'd have to go back and see what reasoning was given for the vote.
Otherwise it's just village network on Sir Fab, not village network on Brody
Gizzy and LostNinja make very unconvincing votes.
Brody votes for self-preservation. Unsure why this is considered village as opposed to possible also Mafia.
H3 actually puts an argument forward, but it comes down to Sir Fab is late and day 1 votes.
This encourages Wildcat and Phyphor to switch.
I then have to actually do some work to find a reason to switch.
Meanwhile, the Brody, Austin and 38th push onto a village special still seemed dodgy, imo.
If the village net doesn't put forward a convincing argument, the other wagon is going to be not-village.
And I question whether one-off votes or nil votes are any more suspicious at the time of the call.
At the very least, such tactics will never catch kime.
But yeah, I don't think 3cl1pse or Spectre help themselves.
Really? I was unaware of this. I will remember this in the future. Thanks
I mean, you had me convinced Gizzy was mafia for a bit between that and JPants?
Can you show me where those clarifications got incorporated into phalla OPs?
It's got to have been before the phalla university.
So probably not :P
I hope no one assumed that there were no conversions or thralls in my games.
This is the game space, and if your question is outside of that, you're getting a yes or no to come back to the game space.
Anything inside is CD
Thralls not in game NO
Thralls in game CD
Which is essentially yes/no. And sometimes I'm okay with that, but for that I'll just flat out say it.
One of a couple reasons I haven't tried to host in a while was that my last good idea was halfway between mafia and a megagame and involved a lot of conversions for most of the player base.
So I gotta ask: Am I a pain in the ass? I know I tend to be loud and opinionated in these games, but that's because I feel strongly that it's a villager's role to get conversation going and not just fade into the background, but I'm worried that maybe I've been a bit too much these last couple of games. Do I need to tone things down?
The challenge I think you'll see with that is 1. You'll end up a target for mafia kill early because it becomes pretty clear you're village, and generally mafia doesn't want a stronger villager out there. 2. If you ARE mafia, you'd have to keep up the exact same engagement otherwise it'd be obvious that you weren't behaving the same village way.
I'd say tone it down just because otherwise I think you're setting yourself up for a big challenge if you're ever mafia/a special. Especially as a special, because if you're a special you need to stay alive to help the village and probably can't do that as a vocal villager.
I don't think it was my first game, which near as I can tell was this aslyum game( that ten years later I still don't understand) but yeah it was early on in my career and I have never forgotten it. I was so excited to be in the village network for the first time. I never considered that the seer could be mafia.
I'd like to say that experience made me less naive but citation needed.
I felt I lost the game for the mafia even if I logically know that's not the case.
Played poorly the first couple days then sank the mafia when they all tried to save me from my fate.
I liked the riddle mechanics well enough although I don't know how influential you wanted it to be. If one side had won all three powers every day it would be unwinnable for the other team, which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your goals.
Mafia also made some assumptions about special distribution that contributed to our downfall.
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As a vanillager, it gave me something to really engage in, constantly checking/refreshing to see if I could snag a win and get a power. That's something that I really love, when games give vanillagers more to dig into than just what vote analysis can be done. Yes, I know that's helpful to the village, but everyone loves having something special.
This, is a very good point. I'm kinda banking of the fact that most players don't tend to remember me very well from game to game, despite my chattiness, and there have been a few games where I was a special/mafia and no one really noticed me if I didn't say anything, sometimes until it was too late; but that's hardly the rule. I don't seem to get special roles very often though, so sayeth RNGesus, so I guess we'll see how it goes.
It feels like the group as a whole thinks they remember
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Thanks for hosting this was a lot of fun.
I like the idea of the riddles and challenges.
I think the issue with riddles is that you need to have them up all day to give every time zone a shot. I had some in the first game I ran but I don't think I ever solved that problem to put them in a game again.
The challenges were mostly good, the color one stopped me from posting a bit since color is so annoying on the phone. Anything that gets people posting more is a good idea in my book.