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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    I'll take pineapple on any pizza. Pineapple is just delicious.

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  • ImperfectImperfect Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Bacon, Pineapple, feta, and banana peppers pizza.

    You will thank me.

    My go-to was always pineapple, green olives, and pepperoni. Nobody ever tried to mooch "just a slice" in college, because all my room-mates hated at least one thing on there.

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  • El MuchoEl Mucho Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    My riding still hasn't been determined (Charleswood-St. James-Assiniboia-Headingley). Yesterday a local reporter said they had 3400 mail ins to count with the cons currently leading by 109. I'm curious what is holding up the count. I'm really hoping Doug Eyolfson takes it.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Imperfect wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Bacon, Pineapple, feta, and banana peppers pizza.

    You will thank me.

    My go-to was always pineapple, green olives, and pepperoni. Nobody ever tried to mooch "just a slice" in college, because all my room-mates hated at least one thing on there.

    yes
    i usually do pineapple, black olives, and pep

    green is also fantastic

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  • djmitchelladjmitchella Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Wait until folks find out that Jason Kenney Waster 1.3 BILLION to not build a pipeline.

    Ok I'll wait. I'm sure the MSM will report on it any second now...

    I'm not sure where you're looking, but when it happened, there was a bunch of coverage, like this: (CBC)

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/keystone-xl-termination-1.6059683
    Keystone XL is dead, and Albertans are on the hook for $1.3B

    or this (CBC, a bit later):

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipelines-pandemics-and-partisan-infighting-kenney-trying-to-put-troubles-behind-him-1.6061449
    Premier attempting to deflect attention away from $1.3-billion loss in KXL pipeline

    or this (Global news / Canadian Press)

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7939964/alberta-finance-minister-keystone-xl-loss/
    Alberta finance minister defends $1.3B loss on Keystone XL pipeline as ‘calculated decision’

    or this?, global TV:
    ncskydftanu4.png

    or this (ctv)
    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-big-loser-on-keystone-xl-ndp-says-kenney-made-a-bad-investment-1.5270782
    Alberta 'big loser' on Keystone XL; NDP says Kenney made a bad investment

    or this (financial post, quoting a minister unsuccessfully trying to put a weirdly positive spin on things)
    https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/alberta-taxpayers-wont-be-on-hook-for-much-more-than-1-3-billion-for-defunct-keystone-xl
    Alberta taxpayers won't be on hook for much more than $1.3 billion for defunct Keystone XL

    or this (globe and mail)
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-keystone-xl-is-dead-but-who-can-jason-kenney-blame-now/
    Keystone XL is dead. But who can Jason Kenney blame now?

    These days the various other terrible things Kenney's doing are in the news instead, but it was a big deal when it happened, at any rate.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

    This is blowing my mind, that is my riding too!

    Just moved from Charleswood back to Crestview this year

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  • TenekTenek Registered User regular
    Don't worry, Elections Canada is busy confirming the exact numbers for ridings with a 20% or more margin of victory. -.-

    Also JFC 22% for PPC in Portage-Lisgar.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Wait until folks find out that Jason Kenney Waster 1.3 BILLION to not build a pipeline.

    Ok I'll wait. I'm sure the MSM will report on it any second now...

    I'm not sure where you're looking, but when it happened, there was a bunch of coverage, like this: (CBC)

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/keystone-xl-termination-1.6059683
    Keystone XL is dead, and Albertans are on the hook for $1.3B

    or this (CBC, a bit later):

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipelines-pandemics-and-partisan-infighting-kenney-trying-to-put-troubles-behind-him-1.6061449
    Premier attempting to deflect attention away from $1.3-billion loss in KXL pipeline

    or this (Global news / Canadian Press)

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7939964/alberta-finance-minister-keystone-xl-loss/
    Alberta finance minister defends $1.3B loss on Keystone XL pipeline as ‘calculated decision’

    or this?, global TV:
    ncskydftanu4.png

    or this (ctv)
    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-big-loser-on-keystone-xl-ndp-says-kenney-made-a-bad-investment-1.5270782
    Alberta 'big loser' on Keystone XL; NDP says Kenney made a bad investment

    or this (financial post, quoting a minister unsuccessfully trying to put a weirdly positive spin on things)
    https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/alberta-taxpayers-wont-be-on-hook-for-much-more-than-1-3-billion-for-defunct-keystone-xl
    Alberta taxpayers won't be on hook for much more than $1.3 billion for defunct Keystone XL

    or this (globe and mail)
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-keystone-xl-is-dead-but-who-can-jason-kenney-blame-now/
    Keystone XL is dead. But who can Jason Kenney blame now?

    These days the various other terrible things Kenney's doing are in the news instead, but it was a big deal when it happened, at any rate.

    My bad. That one really did fly over my head when it happened. TBH, I really don't remember anything except covid when I try to think back to news from June 2021.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Wait until folks find out that Jason Kenney Waster 1.3 BILLION to not build a pipeline.

    Ok I'll wait. I'm sure the MSM will report on it any second now...

    I'm not sure where you're looking, but when it happened, there was a bunch of coverage, like this: (CBC)

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/keystone-xl-termination-1.6059683
    Keystone XL is dead, and Albertans are on the hook for $1.3B

    or this (CBC, a bit later):

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipelines-pandemics-and-partisan-infighting-kenney-trying-to-put-troubles-behind-him-1.6061449
    Premier attempting to deflect attention away from $1.3-billion loss in KXL pipeline

    or this (Global news / Canadian Press)

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7939964/alberta-finance-minister-keystone-xl-loss/
    Alberta finance minister defends $1.3B loss on Keystone XL pipeline as ‘calculated decision’

    or this?, global TV:
    ncskydftanu4.png

    or this (ctv)
    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-big-loser-on-keystone-xl-ndp-says-kenney-made-a-bad-investment-1.5270782
    Alberta 'big loser' on Keystone XL; NDP says Kenney made a bad investment

    or this (financial post, quoting a minister unsuccessfully trying to put a weirdly positive spin on things)
    https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/alberta-taxpayers-wont-be-on-hook-for-much-more-than-1-3-billion-for-defunct-keystone-xl
    Alberta taxpayers won't be on hook for much more than $1.3 billion for defunct Keystone XL

    or this (globe and mail)
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-keystone-xl-is-dead-but-who-can-jason-kenney-blame-now/
    Keystone XL is dead. But who can Jason Kenney blame now?

    These days the various other terrible things Kenney's doing are in the news instead, but it was a big deal when it happened, at any rate.

    My bad. That one really did fly over my head when it happened. TBH, I really don't remember anything except covid when I try to think back to news from June 2021.

    The problem here is that no one seems to care IMO because it's not Trudeau.

    Folks here are fucking obsessed with hating him.

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  • El MuchoEl Mucho Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

    This is blowing my mind, that is my riding too!

    Just moved from Charleswood back to Crestview this year

    I'm in Westwood!

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Wait until folks find out that Jason Kenney Waster 1.3 BILLION to not build a pipeline.

    Ok I'll wait. I'm sure the MSM will report on it any second now...

    I'm not sure where you're looking, but when it happened, there was a bunch of coverage, like this: (CBC)

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/keystone-xl-termination-1.6059683
    Keystone XL is dead, and Albertans are on the hook for $1.3B

    or this (CBC, a bit later):

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipelines-pandemics-and-partisan-infighting-kenney-trying-to-put-troubles-behind-him-1.6061449
    Premier attempting to deflect attention away from $1.3-billion loss in KXL pipeline

    or this (Global news / Canadian Press)

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7939964/alberta-finance-minister-keystone-xl-loss/
    Alberta finance minister defends $1.3B loss on Keystone XL pipeline as ‘calculated decision’

    or this?, global TV:
    ncskydftanu4.png

    or this (ctv)
    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-big-loser-on-keystone-xl-ndp-says-kenney-made-a-bad-investment-1.5270782
    Alberta 'big loser' on Keystone XL; NDP says Kenney made a bad investment

    or this (financial post, quoting a minister unsuccessfully trying to put a weirdly positive spin on things)
    https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/alberta-taxpayers-wont-be-on-hook-for-much-more-than-1-3-billion-for-defunct-keystone-xl
    Alberta taxpayers won't be on hook for much more than $1.3 billion for defunct Keystone XL

    or this (globe and mail)
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-keystone-xl-is-dead-but-who-can-jason-kenney-blame-now/
    Keystone XL is dead. But who can Jason Kenney blame now?

    These days the various other terrible things Kenney's doing are in the news instead, but it was a big deal when it happened, at any rate.

    My bad. That one really did fly over my head when it happened. TBH, I really don't remember anything except covid when I try to think back to news from June 2021.

    The problem here is that no one seems to care IMO because it's not Trudeau.

    Folks here are fucking obsessed with hating him.

    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    shryke on
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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Did I ever talk about how while I still had my Albertan uncle on facebook, I started challenging his sharing of absolute bullshit right-wing talking points, and not only did he never respond to any of them (probably because my shock-and-awe tactic was to write 1000-word responses to them? :p ) but he complained to my mother (his sister) that I should "mind my mouth and respect my elders."

    And that's how I stopped being facebook friends with my Albertan uncle~

    Ed Gruberman
  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Did I ever talk about how while I still had my Albertan uncle on facebook, I started challenging his sharing of absolute bullshit right-wing talking points, and not only did he never respond to any of them (probably because my shock-and-awe tactic was to write 1000-word responses to them? :p ) but he complained to my mother (his sister) that I should "mind my mouth and respect my elders."

    And that's how I stopped being facebook friends with my Albertan uncle~

    That sounds about right, yeah.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Deleting your FB account is the one true winning move.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    El Mucho wrote: »
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

    This is blowing my mind, that is my riding too!

    Just moved from Charleswood back to Crestview this year

    I'm in Westwood!

    I just moved to Charleswood in January.

    I didn't think we had so many people from all of Winnipeg in this thread, nevermind this one riding.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Those guys formed up the Maverick party and largely were ignored

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    Did I ever talk about how while I still had my Albertan uncle on facebook, I started challenging his sharing of absolute bullshit right-wing talking points, and not only did he never respond to any of them (probably because my shock-and-awe tactic was to write 1000-word responses to them? :p ) but he complained to my mother (his sister) that I should "mind my mouth and respect my elders."

    And that's how I stopped being facebook friends with my Albertan uncle~

    elders need to smarten the fuck up

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Respect is earned and spent by our actions. He sounds overdrawn.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

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  • BlarghyBlarghy Registered User regular
    El Mucho wrote: »
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

    This is blowing my mind, that is my riding too!

    Just moved from Charleswood back to Crestview this year

    I'm in Westwood!

    I just moved to Charleswood in January.

    I didn't think we had so many people from all of Winnipeg in this thread, nevermind this one riding.

    No shit, huh? I'm just a riding over in Winnipeg Centre!

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  • El MuchoEl Mucho Registered User regular
    Blarghy wrote: »
    El Mucho wrote: »
    That's my riding too! I sure hope Eyolfson doesn't lose by a single vote because then I might feel a little bad for voting NDP.

    This is blowing my mind, that is my riding too!

    Just moved from Charleswood back to Crestview this year

    I'm in Westwood!

    I just moved to Charleswood in January.

    I didn't think we had so many people from all of Winnipeg in this thread, nevermind this one riding.

    No shit, huh? I'm just a riding over in Winnipeg Centre!

    Crazy!

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    If Alberta want to matter, there's a very simple solution: increase the province's population by using the provincial government to create a place where people actually want to live.

    Or they could keep electing conservatives.

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  • TenekTenek Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    AB/SK going mostly or entirely blue means that they can win by doing OK in Ontario, and... apparently they couldn't pull that off. Or Quebec. When you choose that level of polarization you get a feast-or-famine outcome, and today the menu is thin gruel, try again next time.

    They could moderate and reap some benefits - I bet Trudeau would have been really happy with, say, 12 more MPs from AB. And if Albertans won't do that... that's a choice they make, not a law of physics.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    The thing is, Alberta does matter. Disproportionately so, I'd say. Our entire national energy policy, a not insignificant part of our national budget, and a major component of our international diplomacy (not to mention a massive environmental crisis we're kicking down to future generations), is about keeping Alberta's oil flowing. Indigenous relations and land rights are balanced with Alberta's pipeline paths, and often take precedence on them. "Western alienation" is really a code word for "Alberta's not happy". Heck, when Trudeau won in 2019 a huge "issue" in the media was about how he could possibly govern without a single MP from Alberta.

    Alberta isn't upset because they don't matter. They're upset because they are not the only thing that matters.

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  • djmitchelladjmitchella Registered User regular
    darkmayo wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Those guys formed up the Maverick party and largely were ignored

    Here's an next-morning interview with someone from the maverick party who got half the votes of the Liberal candidate in that riding, if you want a sense of how little impact they had.

    Heck, in a couple of other ridings they were around half as many votes as the _green_ candidate, which takes some effort in Alberta:

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    /shrug

    It's a democracy. The system already disproportionately represents less populated provinces as is.

    Western alienation is fundamentally about certain people feeling like they should matter in frankly massive disproportion to their actual numbers among the electorate.

    shryke on
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  • TenekTenek Registered User regular
    So, it seems that Kevin Vuong is going to take his seat. Not 100% counted yet but the stuff remaining is going to be... the ballots that were mailed in long before the allegations came up. I'm not expecting that to flip the results.

    The weird thing, though, is winning the election may have sunk him. The Liberals correctly dropped him for not disclosing it, but that's a party issue, not a criminal one. If he'd lost then maybe that would just be the end of it... but as a sitting MP, already kicked out of the party, resigning is basically admitting guilt.

    I'm still not sure whether politicians are actually better behaved than most people (and are just more closely scrutinized) or if it really is a matter of selecting for assholes when we choose leaders.

  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    /shrug

    It's a democracy. The system already disproportionately represents less populated provinces as is.

    Western alienation is fundamentally about certain people feeling like they should matter in frankly massive disproportion to their actual numbers among the electorate.

    Try telling them they should make a push for increasing immigration/refugees to increase their number of ridings and MPs

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    The thing is, Alberta does matter. Disproportionately so, I'd say. Our entire national energy policy, a not insignificant part of our national budget, and a major component of our international diplomacy (not to mention a massive environmental crisis we're kicking down to future generations), is about keeping Alberta's oil flowing. Indigenous relations and land rights are balanced with Alberta's pipeline paths, and often take precedence on them. "Western alienation" is really a code word for "Alberta's not happy". Heck, when Trudeau won in 2019 a huge "issue" in the media was about how he could possibly govern without a single MP from Alberta.

    Alberta isn't upset because they don't matter. They're upset because they are not the only thing that matters.

    No argument from me. I am in the only prairie district to vote Liberal.

    Does not change the fact that as you mentioned a large part of the national agenda was set by and because of Alberta. The entire country benefitted from the prosperity brought by that..... Losing that status has been used by politicians of every party in this province to drum up people's ire.

    Our province is also run by an incompetent psychopath and our healthcare system is collapsing around us so things are a little fraught here atm.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    The thing is, Alberta does matter. Disproportionately so, I'd say. Our entire national energy policy, a not insignificant part of our national budget, and a major component of our international diplomacy (not to mention a massive environmental crisis we're kicking down to future generations), is about keeping Alberta's oil flowing. Indigenous relations and land rights are balanced with Alberta's pipeline paths, and often take precedence on them. "Western alienation" is really a code word for "Alberta's not happy". Heck, when Trudeau won in 2019 a huge "issue" in the media was about how he could possibly govern without a single MP from Alberta.

    Alberta isn't upset because they don't matter. They're upset because they are not the only thing that matters.

    No argument from me. I am in the only prairie district to vote Liberal.

    Does not change the fact that as you mentioned a large part of the national agenda was set by and because of Alberta. The entire country benefitted from the prosperity brought by that..... Losing that status has been used by politicians of every party in this province to drum up people's ire.

    Our province is also run by an incompetent psychopath and our healthcare system is collapsing around us so things are a little fraught here atm.

    Most of Winnipeg voted Liberal.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    The thing is, Alberta does matter. Disproportionately so, I'd say. Our entire national energy policy, a not insignificant part of our national budget, and a major component of our international diplomacy (not to mention a massive environmental crisis we're kicking down to future generations), is about keeping Alberta's oil flowing. Indigenous relations and land rights are balanced with Alberta's pipeline paths, and often take precedence on them. "Western alienation" is really a code word for "Alberta's not happy". Heck, when Trudeau won in 2019 a huge "issue" in the media was about how he could possibly govern without a single MP from Alberta.

    Alberta isn't upset because they don't matter. They're upset because they are not the only thing that matters.

    No argument from me. I am in the only prairie district to vote Liberal.

    Does not change the fact that as you mentioned a large part of the national agenda was set by and because of Alberta. The entire country benefitted from the prosperity brought by that..... Losing that status has been used by politicians of every party in this province to drum up people's ire.

    Our province is also run by an incompetent psychopath and our healthcare system is collapsing around us so things are a little fraught here atm.

    Most of Winnipeg voted Liberal.

    Pfff, Manitoba isn't real.

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  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    He's truly become his father in that respect. The hatred they hold for him in the face of his continuing to win despite it is truly something to behold. They can think of nothing else. It's like a sickness.

    Speaking of which, have the Wexit bunch done anything since his victory? They were out screaming in 2019, but I didn't notice anything from them since Monday night.

    Not Wexit specifically but Alberta's votes don't particularly matter in the federal election and it drives folks nuts.

    ignore that they always vote the same like lemmings, though

    Them voting the same isn't even the biggest issue imo. The problem is there's just not very many Albertans comparatively.

    So much of the things they complain about can be answered by simple population numbers: Ontario outnumbers Alberta. And Saskatchewan and Manitoba and even BC. Combined. Hell, Ontario outnumbers every province but Quebec put together by a small margin last I checked.

    My experience with this shit has always been that Albertans or other people from out west bitching about being ignored stems in large part from a lack of appreciation for just how unevenly our population is distributed. Both in terms of land and in terms of provincial boundaries. There's this continued sense that they should have more say and little understanding of why that's not the case.

    I feel that's a much easier pill to swallow when you live in the part of the country that "matters" vs the one that "does not".

    The thing is, Alberta does matter. Disproportionately so, I'd say. Our entire national energy policy, a not insignificant part of our national budget, and a major component of our international diplomacy (not to mention a massive environmental crisis we're kicking down to future generations), is about keeping Alberta's oil flowing. Indigenous relations and land rights are balanced with Alberta's pipeline paths, and often take precedence on them. "Western alienation" is really a code word for "Alberta's not happy". Heck, when Trudeau won in 2019 a huge "issue" in the media was about how he could possibly govern without a single MP from Alberta.

    Alberta isn't upset because they don't matter. They're upset because they are not the only thing that matters.

    No argument from me. I am in the only prairie district to vote Liberal.

    Does not change the fact that as you mentioned a large part of the national agenda was set by and because of Alberta. The entire country benefitted from the prosperity brought by that..... Losing that status has been used by politicians of every party in this province to drum up people's ire.

    Our province is also run by an incompetent psychopath and our healthcare system is collapsing around us so things are a little fraught here atm.

    Most of Winnipeg voted Liberal.

    Pfff, Manitoba isn't real.

    Manitoba is just Other Northern Ontario.

    *ducks and runs*

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Re-elected liberal Jim Carr in my Winnipeg riding.

    And the Portage-Lisgar one mentioned for WTF? Yeah that's my parents riding and why I don't bother with politics with em, ain't going to do shit. :rotate:

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Back to work in Québec! Today, Legault is introducing a new law that will ban anti-vaxxer protests near hospitals, covid testing and vaccination sites, schools, and daycares. They're hoping to have it adopted today, but to use the express-adoption process will require unanimous support by the National Assembly. Which shouldn't be hard since the Liberals, Québec Solidaire, and PQ are all in favour of it, so what could possibly go wrong...

    ...

    ...

    Oh, one single CAQ MNA with delusions of grandeur quit the party because she wasn't given a cabinet position and became the sole Conservative MNA in Québec, the party that supports the anti-vaxxers and opposes all covid measures and which has been out in the streets protesting alongside Bernier's PPC. And their asshole leader has already made the asshole declaration that "protest rights have been abused by students and unions in the past so we're not against restrictions, but we will protect them for the persecuted minority of Québec".

    This will not go well.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Back to work in Québec! Today, Legault is introducing a new law that will ban anti-vaxxer protests near hospitals, covid testing and vaccination sites, schools, and daycares. They're hoping to have it adopted today, but to use the express-adoption process will require unanimous support by the National Assembly. Which shouldn't be hard since the Liberals, Québec Solidaire, and PQ are all in favour of it, so what could possibly go wrong...

    ...

    ...

    Oh, one single CAQ MNA with delusions of grandeur quit the party because she wasn't given a cabinet position and became the sole Conservative MNA in Québec, the party that supports the anti-vaxxers and opposes all covid measures and which has been out in the streets protesting alongside Bernier's PPC. And their asshole leader has already made the asshole declaration that "protest rights have been abused by students and unions in the past so we're not against restrictions, but we will protect them for the persecuted minority of Québec".

    This will not go well.

    That won't go over well......

    Persecuting minorities is Quebec's whole thing lately.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Back to work in Québec! Today, Legault is introducing a new law that will ban anti-vaxxer protests near hospitals, covid testing and vaccination sites, schools, and daycares. They're hoping to have it adopted today, but to use the express-adoption process will require unanimous support by the National Assembly. Which shouldn't be hard since the Liberals, Québec Solidaire, and PQ are all in favour of it, so what could possibly go wrong...

    ...

    ...

    Oh, one single CAQ MNA with delusions of grandeur quit the party because she wasn't given a cabinet position and became the sole Conservative MNA in Québec, the party that supports the anti-vaxxers and opposes all covid measures and which has been out in the streets protesting alongside Bernier's PPC. And their asshole leader has already made the asshole declaration that "protest rights have been abused by students and unions in the past so we're not against restrictions, but we will protect them for the persecuted minority of Québec".

    This will not go well.

    That won't go over well......

    Persecuting minorities is Quebec's whole thing lately.

    In case it wasn't clear, the "persecuted minority" the Conservatives are standing up for are the minority alt-right anti-vaxxers who like screaming at children on school playgrounds. I'm ok with "persecuting" them.

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