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[Diablo] early access has ended :(, and so shall this thread

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I just got a game update.
    From the blue post on the forums, looks like it fixes a handful of crashes!
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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
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    Why do I even bother.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    forty wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I just realized my level 75 merc on my sorc is still a blessed aim merc....life is pain.
    Are you sure you didn't hire a new one in Nightmare? There is a display bug for the act 2 mercs that makes their panel show the aura corresponding to the difficulty, not what they actually use.

    Well damn this just got a lot more complicated. I have 3 characters in Hell and could have forgotten on the sorc, but...

    1) I probably did switch to Might in NM because I did Baal runs after normal and would have been too lazy to level up the normal merc; grabbing the higher level NM one is just easier since the normal auras are bad
    2) But I can't check it with the in game icon, because you're right! It switches to Might in NM, and blessed aim in Hell
    3) But my Merc also isn't visually "using" his aura right now.....he pretty consistently did on my Necro, but he's not showing the effect at all as I run around killing stuff. I know there have been issues with that in old D2, buut yeah kind of hard to tell given the current situation....

    edit: Alright of course, as soon as I post that he started showing his aura -- he's a might boi, rejoice.

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    despite the servers, today was UBER TIME

    Our smiter was missing 2 things, Open wounds and Cannot be frozen.

    So we crafted this:(jesus on the first try even look at that bad boi)
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    and then i remembered i found a duriels shell today so that was that. We called in a Bo barb and went to town:

    Unf unf unf:

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Our Smiter was actullally forced to kill Lillith without lifetap because i didn have it bound (whoops).

    that belt really came through with that extra 3% lol. (edit: this was a joke to be clear. smite doesn't leech outside of Life tap)

    And once again Waheed was of great value. (Battle orders on a beefcake merc is P good) He literally killed Ubermeph for 40% on his own and didn't die until Meph was at a little sliver. it was glorious.

    We coulden't stop laughing. I created a monster.

    PS waheed says he'll take on any of your mers as long as they aren't HF

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  • FeldornFeldorn Mediocre Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    bone spells are also magic but people prefer skeletons. I think wind druids are half physical/magic
    I don't think you can get Bone Spells to do nearly as much damage as Hammers, and Necros are squishier and less mobile, so it's probably a bit like playing a less effective Hammerdin.

    While true, you'll also max [Bone Prison] where you can just trap the screen and then bone them to death with your [Bone Spear].

    bwanie
  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    Feldorn wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    bone spells are also magic but people prefer skeletons. I think wind druids are half physical/magic
    I don't think you can get Bone Spells to do nearly as much damage as Hammers, and Necros are squishier and less mobile, so it's probably a bit like playing a less effective Hammerdin.

    While true, you'll also max [Bone Prison] where you can just trap the screen and then bone them to death with your [Bone Spear].

    you will attract every monster in the level though haha. Bonewall has a messed up aggro range.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    Is anyone playing d2 classic hardcore? On computer or switch. Seems unlikely but thought I'd check

  • FeldornFeldorn Mediocre Registered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    Feldorn wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    bone spells are also magic but people prefer skeletons. I think wind druids are half physical/magic
    I don't think you can get Bone Spells to do nearly as much damage as Hammers, and Necros are squishier and less mobile, so it's probably a bit like playing a less effective Hammerdin.

    While true, you'll also max [Bone Prison] where you can just trap the screen and then bone them to death with your [Bone Spear].

    you will attract every monster in the level though haha. Bonewall has a messed up aggro range.

    More dudes to bone.

    Smrtnik
  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    Our Smiter was actullally forced to kill Lillith without lifetap because i didn have it bound (whoops).

    that belt really came through with that extra 3% lol. (edit: this was a joke to be clear. smite doesn't leech outside of Life tap)

    And once again Waheed was of great value. (Battle orders on a beefcake merc is P good) He literally killed Ubermeph for 40% on his own and didn't die until Meph was at a little sliver. it was glorious.

    We coulden't stop laughing. I created a monster.

    PS waheed says he'll take on any of your mers as long as they aren't HF

    Everyone in here talking about the mercenaries killing everything.

    I'm lucky if mine is alive for more than 45 seconds.

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    There's a few setups that can make your Merc tough enough.

    They do require a bit of gear. I think the cheapest would be a might Merc with an eth obedience + treachery armor+ leech hat (vamp/andys/undead crown/tals mask).

    reapers toll + duress armor + leech hat is also a good option but you lack some crushing blow.

    If your char depends on a insight Merc he will pobably lack some ias or leech but should still be able to take some dmg and live.

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  • Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    Since the last update on PS5 I haven’t been able to play the game.
    I see all characters, but pressing the Play button does nothing.
    It’s been over a day now!

    Have any other people had this problem as well? (I’m from Europe, so I don’t know if it is bound to a region or not)

    PSN (PS4-Europe): Carolus-Billius
  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    servers have been shitting themselves for 4 days on PC. i think yesterday was the first day since before the weekend that i did not see >3 hr downtime.

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  • TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    It's not just the servers, the new patch broke the PS5 version.

    Someone on reddit said reinstalling the game fixed the issue, though.

    bwanieforty
  • Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    Reinstalling helped, thanks for the tip!

    But then I played and on 15:00 local time I got kicked out again :rotate:

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  • crimsoncoyotecrimsoncoyote Registered User regular
    Since the last update on PS5 I haven’t been able to play the game.
    I see all characters, but pressing the Play button does nothing.
    It’s been over a day now!

    Have any other people had this problem as well? (I’m from Europe, so I don’t know if it is bound to a region or not)

    Yeah they said the patch broke the EU ps5 version and were reverting it. They plan to have a new patch out soon for eu

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Got meself a unique thresher drop last night. So ill take having to drink mana pots for the Reapers.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    My meteorb sorc is hitting a wall in early hell.

    I can probably NM meph my way through it eventually, but it’s definitely a slog. I think I’ve been a little unlucky though with getting absolutely no mistake sorc drops.

    I either need to gear up my Merc to tank while I drop meteors or gear up myself so I’m not quite so paper thin. Or both.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Giant blue post up explaining all the server issues.
    Tldr is mix of:
    - they had some legacy database query that was super unoptimized
    - they had region localized databases doing backups instead of servicing users
    - players in 2021 have read the guides on farming and unlike 2001 players are not creating a single game that lasts until they log off and are instead creating games that last 20 second then creating another

    Solutions:
    - they replaced that query with an optimized one
    - they changed the strategy of how their databases do backups
    - they are putting in game creation queues

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    So it technically was a ddos heh just good ol customer ddos that takes down many an online game heh.

    The creation queue kind of sucks but oh well just add in nodes to my runs rather than just spamming one area. Something I do anyway but sometimes you just want to spam pindle heh.

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Yeah I kinda figured queues were comin'

    That sucks.

    forty
  • RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    meh i always clear at least 3-4 areas. Never understood the mindless running of a single boss.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?
    Exactly. That's how D2 works. It's all people can really do to squeeze a bit of efficiency out of an archaic, stingy progression curve. Want players to not play that way? Make the drops in the game not fucking suck!

    But that's what happens when you're beholden to grognards who like old, bad things (or maybe you are those grognards yourselves).

    Officially the unluckiest CCG player ever.
  • RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    meh i always clear at least 3-4 areas. no skin off my back. Never understood the mindless running of a single boss.

    sure, I can do the pit, countess, andariel and bounce in way less than 20 minutes thanks to teleport. The only 20 second run I can think of is Pindle.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?
    Exactly. That's how D2 works. It's all people can really do to squeeze a bit of efficiency out of an archaic, stingy progression curve. Want players to not play that way? Make the drops in the game not fucking suck!

    But that's what happens when you're beholden to grognards who like old, bad things (or maybe you are those grognards yourselves).

    Wanting a faithful recreation of an all time classic doesn't make you a crazy anti-player grognard. We have 80 billion games now in the year 2021, and there are more than enough to serve all playstyles that we don't need an overhaul of this one very specific and very beloved game.

    Its okay to have nostalgia! It's okay to want a bit of a time capsule. It requires no elitism or grognardeyness. I am never going to come close to an Enigma, I hate running one boss over and over and over, I'm never going to get one character to 99 or come close to winning some kind of ladder race, and this remake has been a complete blast for me.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I mean I will hold my angst inside until we know more details of the time of the queue. Has that been released? If it is like 1 min you just add like eldrich and lower kurast to your pindle run and you are fine.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I mean I will hold my angst inside until we know more details of the time of the queue. Has that been released? If it is like 1 min you just add like eldrich and lower kurast to your pindle run and you are fine.

    Yeah my read/hope is that it's something to target people running super fast. If they put a timer up that prevents you from having pubbie baal runs or tristram runs, then they've fucked up pretty hard.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Fiatil wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I mean I will hold my angst inside until we know more details of the time of the queue. Has that been released? If it is like 1 min you just add like eldrich and lower kurast to your pindle run and you are fine.

    Yeah my read/hope is that it's something to target people running super fast. If they put a timer up that prevents you from having pubbie baal runs or tristram runs, then they've fucked up pretty hard.

    Yeah the population focused on in their statement is the type of people getting pindle down and new gamed in like 20 seconds or less.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I naturally got all the runes for a spirit shield, except I’m not a Paladin so there’s no way I’m getting and wielding a 4-socket shield before Hell. Just gotta let them sit there until like level 60.

    Edit: even though it’s like a level 25 rune word

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    I naturally got all the runs for a spirit shield, except I’m not a Paladin so there’s no way I’m getting and wielding a 4-socket shield before Hell. Just gotta let them sit there until like level 60.

    Edit: even though it’s like a level 25 rune word

    Yeah it sucks. And as someone who has played this game for awhile now... it doesnt take all that long to get a pali up to socket quest in normal :)

    GoodKingJayIII
  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Hey, Pindle's been good to me.

    So far I've found a Griffon's Eye, Tal Rasha's Armor, and an Occulus off the poor bastard.

    Don't make me have to go all the way to Baal :(

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Those are some sweet drops. I think I still dont have Griffons on my grail and ive been doing that on and off for years heh.

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    I killed the High Council enough with my Paladin that from the perspective of one of those Demons they could think they are trapped within a sadistic time loop game with an even more unsatisfactory ending for them than 12 minutes. And techically they would not be wrong.

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Also, that sort of character portrait standing before the act you are on before getting into the game is already cool, but when you get to Act 4 and are posed before hell it looks really fucking cool. The cutscene before was great too.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I've just been farming andarial and ancient tunnels, I should really finish hell at some point and open up some extra stuff. I imagine I can kill meph no problem, it's not like teleporting down is any big thing in single player with map saves. I'd really like to upgrade my spirit sword but no occulus/good rare has dropped. I did find a perfect vipermagi, with double spirit I can pretty much teleport past everything before they even register I'm there.

    I also modded in teleport in town, I can really zoom through pindle since walking to the portal is half a run

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?
    Exactly. That's how D2 works. It's all people can really do to squeeze a bit of efficiency out of an archaic, stingy progression curve. Want players to not play that way? Make the drops in the game not fucking suck!

    But that's what happens when you're beholden to grognards who like old, bad things (or maybe you are those grognards yourselves).

    Wanting a faithful recreation of an all time classic doesn't make you a crazy anti-player grognard. We have 80 billion games now in the year 2021, and there are more than enough to serve all playstyles that we don't need an overhaul of this one very specific and very beloved game.

    Its okay to have nostalgia! It's okay to want a bit of a time capsule. It requires no elitism or grognardeyness. I am never going to come close to an Enigma, I hate running one boss over and over and over, I'm never going to get one character to 99 or come close to winning some kind of ladder race, and this remake has been a complete blast for me.
    So you're saying you wouldn't be having a complete blast if they had renovated some of the moldy elements of loot acquisition?

    Officially the unluckiest CCG player ever.
  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    forty wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?
    Exactly. That's how D2 works. It's all people can really do to squeeze a bit of efficiency out of an archaic, stingy progression curve. Want players to not play that way? Make the drops in the game not fucking suck!

    But that's what happens when you're beholden to grognards who like old, bad things (or maybe you are those grognards yourselves).

    Wanting a faithful recreation of an all time classic doesn't make you a crazy anti-player grognard. We have 80 billion games now in the year 2021, and there are more than enough to serve all playstyles that we don't need an overhaul of this one very specific and very beloved game.

    Its okay to have nostalgia! It's okay to want a bit of a time capsule. It requires no elitism or grognardeyness. I am never going to come close to an Enigma, I hate running one boss over and over and over, I'm never going to get one character to 99 or come close to winning some kind of ladder race, and this remake has been a complete blast for me.
    So you're saying you wouldn't be having a complete blast if they had renovated some of the moldy elements of loot acquisition?

    For me I would say no. For me I would hope they go back on the mod support tightening they did. As the mods for D2 are really what kept it alive. Or if they had to redo something do a 1.15 to do a talent tree rework (like add in corpse gen for necros, undo the hydra nerf etc), add in more crafting options (like eth or un eth something) and things like add in more rerolling options. The drops themselves are what is core to the game for many of us I would say.

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    forty wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    I mean

    I was doing mf runs in 2001

    That's the game they made.

    HOW WOULD THEY NOT KNOW?
    Exactly. That's how D2 works. It's all people can really do to squeeze a bit of efficiency out of an archaic, stingy progression curve. Want players to not play that way? Make the drops in the game not fucking suck!

    But that's what happens when you're beholden to grognards who like old, bad things (or maybe you are those grognards yourselves).

    Wanting a faithful recreation of an all time classic doesn't make you a crazy anti-player grognard. We have 80 billion games now in the year 2021, and there are more than enough to serve all playstyles that we don't need an overhaul of this one very specific and very beloved game.

    Its okay to have nostalgia! It's okay to want a bit of a time capsule. It requires no elitism or grognardeyness. I am never going to come close to an Enigma, I hate running one boss over and over and over, I'm never going to get one character to 99 or come close to winning some kind of ladder race, and this remake has been a complete blast for me.
    So you're saying you wouldn't be having a complete blast if they had renovated some of the moldy elements of loot acquisition?

    I'm saying it would cause cognitive dissonance with my expectations, it would divide the community (yes, I am largely favoring "people who like Diablo 2" over "people who don't like Diablo 2" when I say "the community" for reasons that seem obvious with a remake), and it wouldn't feel like playing the same diablo 2 I wanted to.

    They sold this entire game as "we're building it off of the base game, just layering pretty on top of the stuff you know", because people don't trust Blizzard to "reimagine" their classics anymore. After the WC3 debacle I know I breathed a sigh of relief seeing that they weren't trying to get weird with it; it's exactly what a lot of people wanted, and their marketing made it pretty obvious that they understood that too. "Don't reinvent the wheel, don't fuck this up, please just make it pretty."

    You're assuming the changes you want would be implemented successfully as you ideally dream them to be with no chance of them messing it up in translation. Blizzard is really bad at doing that! Some studio that is good at remastering games and has no exprience with the ARPG genre probably isn't going to knock it out of the park either. ARPGs are really hard to get the feel right. You want more loot drops, other people are asking "why not throw out the legacy mode view to let them reinvent more", while a lot of people like me that were enthusiastic about it are enthusiastic specifically because building it on top of what they had significantly reduced the chance of them jacking it up.

    I 100% support the right to mod games, and hope we get a lot of cool ones for offline. I hope someone figures out private server stuff like with ye olde Diablo 2 to be able to give people the specific version they want. If they officially want to say "Hey, we're going to have a second ladder with 2x the drop rates for those who want it", I'm cool with that too!

    But I want the base game to be Diablo 2. They promised Diablo 2, they delivered Diablo 2, I am very happy and a lot of other people with nostalgia for D2 are very happy. The people I know personally playing aren't level 99 sorc MF grinding out 60 pindleskin runs an hour -- some of them are playing meta characters, some of them are playing whatever the hell they want because they like the style, and because they loved Diablo 2, and saw that all of the marketing said it was going to be Diablo 2 without any significant gameplay changes, they are happy to be playing a game they loved and rekindling memories of a past time. A game that is still good, a game that hasn't been replaced by another game ever. If some other game did everything Diablo 2 did but better in everyone's mind, no one would even care about a Diablo 2 remake and it wouldn't exist. There are some people who think that, and that's sweet! Those games exist too! You can play them, I can play them, and it's okay for me to be able to also play a pretty remake of an all time classic without futzing with the innards.

    Mods for Diablo 2 exist that do similar things to what you ask. I played them and also base Diablo 2 in the lead up to the release of this. Some of the changes I really enjoyed! Some of them felt a little too out there and different from what I wanted Diablo 2 to be. I wound up playing significantly more of old Diablo 2 on battle.net in the runup than any of the mods that do what you say, and the player count was much higher on unmodded diablo 2 as well. It turns out there are tons of people that yeah, just want Diablo 2 to be Diablo 2. You don't have to be so insulting with what you think is the best way to take the ARPG genre -- all of your complaints are couched in calling people "grognards" and saying old games are "old and bad". It's okay for you to want "modern improvements", and it's okay for other people to not think everything "modern" is an "improvement". We have so many games now, all of us get to be happy; why does Diablo 2 need to be Diablo 3 or Path of Exile or any of those games?

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  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    Yeah I don’t mind the drop rates so much, maybe for runes, but I guess that is truly end game gear.

    I would definitely like more unique/sets added to the pool.

    Also not a nerfing of current popular builds but making others viable.

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