Oh, I guess I’m just done entertaining opinions that the cash shop is contraversial. It’s not. Asked and answered.
It is controversial because literally every time a new cash shop item drops, there is controversy about it. Maybe you personally don't care, but there is always a massive community uproar about it every single time.
Is she a current employee of Blizzard? I could see HR not taking kindly to her shittweeting about what goes on inside the company, yeah...
Yeah she is (she's a Producer for Overwatch). For context, the tweets were complaining that Ybarra (sp?) the male half of the new "co-heads" of Blizzard had scheduled a meeting with the company but it ended up being a pre-recorded video (they all expected him to be there and he wasn't) reading out a PR statement and then only taking pre-screened questions that you had to submit in advance through your department leads, except no one told them about that (at least for her department). She also mocked him for running keystones during work hours all the time :P She said they got back from the "meeting" and literally everyone on her team was extremely pissed off by the whole thing.
fyi since your wording here makes me think you haven't heard, Jen Oneal quit (citing how she was still not being paid equally, how she had no faith in the leadership to actually fix the problems, and how she felt tokenized) so Ybarra is now the only head. So, there's that too.
No, I'm aware, but she's still there at the moment (I think she was finishing out the week?) so it's still kinda true :P
Because A) Cash shop items are always controversial, and Because objectively speaking, the new cash shop transmog set has more animations, more glowy bits, and more uniqueness than the tier sets.
Maybe if they would have held back the cash shop set by another few weeks, or a month or two, it would have landed better. But since we're just starting to see the new tier sets this week, it's just too close. Comparisons are bound to be made. And people (rightfully) feel like Blizzard is holding back the best bits for the cash shop, while delivering lesser quality armors for the tier sets that they earn in game. It smacks of corporate greed. It smacks of Bobby 'KingHarasser' Kotick.
Cash shop items are always controversial because the game has a monthly sub, and they also sell each expansion as a full priced new game. So we're paying the full price of a new game every 2 years, plus paying a monthly sub, and they have the audacity to ask for even more money on top of that in the cash shop.
Yeah, I've never had a real issue with the cash shop personally (this is like their one game that isn't full of exploitative loot boxes) but it does scream as super tone deaf to release this next to the class tier sets. Mostly it was just dumb timing that I kinda feel like older Blizzard would have caught ahead of time.
I'm not excusing FFXIV's cash shop, because it's actually worse than Blizzard's. Way more items for sale. But what I will say is that the items on the XIV cash shop are all mostly RP items and none of them are "cooler" than sets earned in the game. You can buy a french maid outfit, some dapper gentleman and lady dresses and such, and you can get look-alike transmog items for all the major story characters. But they aren't selling a sets of gear for combat roles. It's all RP stuff.
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I mean, I don't truck with the "it's just cosmetic" argument, because cosmetics matter hugely in a social game. For a lot of folks, transmog and mounts are a huge part of their goals and playtime. So, I think there's some legitimate grievance to be had with Blizzard putting more and more of that stuff in the cash shop instead of the world.
That said, all the cash shop sets are ugly as hell.
I didn't mean it was combat gear as in gear with stats. I meant that it was gear that looks like it is intended to be used in battle, as opposed to more RP type gear for social stuff.
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This is just another entry in "no one would care about this, if..." but right now what comes after "if" is an extensive list of big fuck-off issues everyone has with WoW and Blizzard.
This is just another entry in "no one would care about this, if..." but right now what comes after "if" is an extensive list of big fuck-off issues everyone has with WoW and Blizzard.
Yes and no.
Every time a cash item has appeared, ever since the first one like 10 years ago, the internet reaction has been a big boo.
The only surprising bit is that the cosmetic equipment have been some of the worst sellers on the cash shop in general. Mounts and pets sell a lot better.
The only surprising bit is that the cosmetic equipment have been some of the worst sellers on the cash shop in general. Mounts and pets sell a lot better.
WoW's current strategy to clothing and armour design is VERY hit or miss for a lot of people. Their design philosophies towards mounts and pets are much more broadly appealing.
The only surprising bit is that the cosmetic equipment have been some of the worst sellers on the cash shop in general. Mounts and pets sell a lot better.
WoW's current strategy to clothing and armour design is VERY hit or miss for a lot of people. Their design philosophies towards mounts and pets are much more broadly appealing.
Yeah but this goes back even further, those helmets that they put out waaaaaaay back when we’re a huge flop too. If memory serves theyre one of the very, very few items to eventually be de-listed from the shop.
The aesthetic issues for their equipment and armor sets have a much more consistent presence through the game’s history because it’s one that has largely been limited by technical issues with the game engine, and not necessarily one of concept or art direction.
EDIT: Which probably plays into why people are less willing to may for cosmetic equipment in the first place. I think that the only gear slot that players really seem to care about from an aesthetic perspective are weapons.
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I mean, I don't truck with the "it's just cosmetic" argument, because cosmetics matter hugely in a social game. For a lot of folks, transmog and mounts are a huge part of their goals and playtime. So, I think there's some legitimate grievance to be had with Blizzard putting more and more of that stuff in the cash shop instead of the world.
That said, all the cash shop sets are ugly as hell.
This is why that new mmo that is still in alpha, ashes of creation, frustrates the fuck out of me. They already have a cash shop for cosmetics that they rotate monthly and once the set is removed it's gone forever and it isn't cheap either. It is a real shitty thing to do.
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The only surprising bit is that the cosmetic equipment have been some of the worst sellers on the cash shop in general. Mounts and pets sell a lot better.
WoW's current strategy to clothing and armour design is VERY hit or miss for a lot of people. Their design philosophies towards mounts and pets are much more broadly appealing.
Yeah, modern designs tend to be a big miss for me. I actually much more appreciate the designs from Vanilla WoW (and to some extent TBC/Wrath), where even like, greens and blues had cool looks to them. I always wished at a minimum they would try to strike a balance between that stuff and the more modern "throw a billion particle effects and baubles on the thing" design, unless it's not epic quality and then you're basically wearing a burlap sack.
(like the one exception to this for me was Cataclysm Season 11 PvP armor which is still some of the coolest armor in the game... I swear they had someone else design those who was much better than their main armor designers :P)
I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
I vividly remember players would "pretend" to be klansmen with the pointy hats from ICC warlock tier even though it's not white. You've gotta be so careful with the shape of a triangular hood if you don't want to evoke this things.
I vividly remember players would "pretend" to be klansmen with the pointy hats from ICC warlock tier even though it's not white. You've gotta be so careful with the shape of a triangular hood if you don't want to evoke this things.
Well, judging how the comments about it are awful, even for the low, low standards of "the community", that doesn't surprise me.
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I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't think warlock and immediately think of their armor being white. Black, red, purple, green... stuff like that is more traditional warlock colors. Yeah you *can* transmog to white armor, but this is a class set so I'd assume it would match the theme of the class. To me this looks more like a priest or paladin set with the white and "holy" looking glow effects
honestly something i like when they pay lip service to in warlock armour is the idea of hiding in plain sight, the notion that these are people living a secret double life. stormwind nobility, orgrimmar workers, giving the right nod to a barman and going into the backroom
to be fair I think the shop set also looks terrible but it is definitely more detailed and flashy than the tier
Yeah, I bought the pack more for the mount and pet, but the robe is kind of terrible. On my robe-wearing alts, I almost always turn off the belt via transmog, but the shop robes literally have a matte gray stripe where the belt is supposed to go. Like… why couldn’t they continue the texture through the waist? There’s some old Vanilla robes that have weird texture misalignments in the belt area, but as AFAIK, the shop robe is the only that doesn’t have any texture at all around its waist.
I'm on the firm believe that engine vastly limits what you can do with robes anyways so getting all worked up over a particular set of robes is too much effort.
But then probably playing Monk next tier, and Monk is making out like bandits look wise.
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I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't think warlock and immediately think of their armor being white. Black, red, purple, green... stuff like that is more traditional warlock colors. Yeah you *can* transmog to white armor, but this is a class set so I'd assume it would match the theme of the class. To me this looks more like a priest or paladin set with the white and "holy" looking glow effects
sure, but this is just one of the available colors and it's the least accessible one.
I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't think warlock and immediately think of their armor being white. Black, red, purple, green... stuff like that is more traditional warlock colors. Yeah you *can* transmog to white armor, but this is a class set so I'd assume it would match the theme of the class. To me this looks more like a priest or paladin set with the white and "holy" looking glow effects
sure, but this is just one of the available colors and it's the least accessible one.
Oh is it? Honestly this is the only one I've seen so I didn't realize. (White is still a weird choice to me tho :P)
I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't think warlock and immediately think of their armor being white. Black, red, purple, green... stuff like that is more traditional warlock colors. Yeah you *can* transmog to white armor, but this is a class set so I'd assume it would match the theme of the class. To me this looks more like a priest or paladin set with the white and "holy" looking glow effects
sure, but this is just one of the available colors and it's the least accessible one.
Oh is it? Honestly this is the only one I've seen so I didn't realize. (White is still a weird choice to me tho :P)
Those comments might be the most disappointing shit I've read in a thread filled with disappointing shit.
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So let's celebrate by all going out and buying the same burger. -transmet
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I think people might be less annoyed by cash shop cosmetics if blizzard had managed to make one (1) singular good looking armour set since Legion.
edit: this post is an exaggeration to make the point they have sucked at designing good sets. i think there are a couple from early in bfa.
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im also not sure the point about ffxiv is the gotcha that it is treated as
if one game has a cash shop that the playerbase hates, is riled up by every time something is added, and memes on constantly
and another game has a cash shop that is basically the same full of basically the same kind of items, and the playerbase appears to more or less tolerate it and does not get riled up in remotely the same way, then clearly there is something the second game is doing that is making it work for them
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It is controversial because literally every time a new cash shop item drops, there is controversy about it. Maybe you personally don't care, but there is always a massive community uproar about it every single time.
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No, I'm aware, but she's still there at the moment (I think she was finishing out the week?) so it's still kinda true :P
Yeah, I've never had a real issue with the cash shop personally (this is like their one game that isn't full of exploitative loot boxes) but it does scream as super tone deaf to release this next to the class tier sets. Mostly it was just dumb timing that I kinda feel like older Blizzard would have caught ahead of time.
In a surprise twist, most people aren't too keen on FF14's cash shop, either.
Nor is it combat gear, it's all cosmetics
That said, all the cash shop sets are ugly as hell.
I didn't mean it was combat gear as in gear with stats. I meant that it was gear that looks like it is intended to be used in battle, as opposed to more RP type gear for social stuff.
Yes and no.
Every time a cash item has appeared, ever since the first one like 10 years ago, the internet reaction has been a big boo.
WoW's current strategy to clothing and armour design is VERY hit or miss for a lot of people. Their design philosophies towards mounts and pets are much more broadly appealing.
Yeah but this goes back even further, those helmets that they put out waaaaaaay back when we’re a huge flop too. If memory serves theyre one of the very, very few items to eventually be de-listed from the shop.
The aesthetic issues for their equipment and armor sets have a much more consistent presence through the game’s history because it’s one that has largely been limited by technical issues with the game engine, and not necessarily one of concept or art direction.
EDIT: Which probably plays into why people are less willing to may for cosmetic equipment in the first place. I think that the only gear slot that players really seem to care about from an aesthetic perspective are weapons.
This is why that new mmo that is still in alpha, ashes of creation, frustrates the fuck out of me. They already have a cash shop for cosmetics that they rotate monthly and once the set is removed it's gone forever and it isn't cheap either. It is a real shitty thing to do.
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I could never find an armor set that the helms looked good with so I never bought them.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Yeah, modern designs tend to be a big miss for me. I actually much more appreciate the designs from Vanilla WoW (and to some extent TBC/Wrath), where even like, greens and blues had cool looks to them. I always wished at a minimum they would try to strike a balance between that stuff and the more modern "throw a billion particle effects and baubles on the thing" design, unless it's not epic quality and then you're basically wearing a burlap sack.
(like the one exception to this for me was Cataclysm Season 11 PvP armor which is still some of the coolest armor in the game... I swear they had someone else design those who was much better than their main armor designers :P)
lol
Well I’m glad they’re fixing that
I can't see at work, did they actually fix it? I just actually saw the armor for the first time and yeah... I get the complaints. Even without the unfortunate similarities, I really don't think it fits a warlock at all anyways. To me warlocks should never be in white... it looks almost like a templar armor or like it's mimicing Tyreal from Diablo.
Ahhhh... I wonder if they're going to do something like this (saw this earlier too):
(though honestly I think you could just change the white to black and keep the pointy hood and it'd even look more warlock-y)
Well, judging how the comments about it are awful, even for the low, low standards of "the community", that doesn't surprise me.
Warlocks can already be in whatever color they want. Well... whatever color is allowed by WoW's tragic customization options. I don't see the point of arbitrarily locking out a class from a color scheme just because it doesn't fit a stereotyped image of what a class is.
I mean, I'm just saying I don't think warlock and immediately think of their armor being white. Black, red, purple, green... stuff like that is more traditional warlock colors. Yeah you *can* transmog to white armor, but this is a class set so I'd assume it would match the theme of the class. To me this looks more like a priest or paladin set with the white and "holy" looking glow effects
Yeah, I bought the pack more for the mount and pet, but the robe is kind of terrible. On my robe-wearing alts, I almost always turn off the belt via transmog, but the shop robes literally have a matte gray stripe where the belt is supposed to go. Like… why couldn’t they continue the texture through the waist? There’s some old Vanilla robes that have weird texture misalignments in the belt area, but as AFAIK, the shop robe is the only that doesn’t have any texture at all around its waist.
But then probably playing Monk next tier, and Monk is making out like bandits look wise.
sure, but this is just one of the available colors and it's the least accessible one.
Oh is it? Honestly this is the only one I've seen so I didn't realize. (White is still a weird choice to me tho :P)
Edit: Oh god..
I think these are Blizzard employees based on how they talk about the company. This is pretty sad.
Major James Damore energy from those posts, and of course the bad people are afraid of getting found out.
So let's celebrate by all going out and buying the same burger. -transmet
edit: this post is an exaggeration to make the point they have sucked at designing good sets. i think there are a couple from early in bfa.
if one game has a cash shop that the playerbase hates, is riled up by every time something is added, and memes on constantly
and another game has a cash shop that is basically the same full of basically the same kind of items, and the playerbase appears to more or less tolerate it and does not get riled up in remotely the same way, then clearly there is something the second game is doing that is making it work for them