Anyways, thankfully tech companies never over-promise and under-deliver.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
Just so you know I'm currently using the little finger on my left hand to click because my right has had enough for the day and my left-hand thumb and forefingers aren't very happy either, so I have to swap to the only available part of my hand that isn't currently hurting.
But if I do that for too long, it soon will be. This is deeply personally interesting and I know quite a lot about different accessories. I have an entire collection of whack stuff that can be used to interact with a computer. Cos it's either that, or I just stop using them at all.
Actually if that does what it thinks I does, and I just looked it up and I think it does, I'll be using it, and so will many other people with disabled hands.
Or at least, the competitor that creates one that isn't fucking facebook, since as soon as someone invents it others will jump on the bandwagon.
It reads the intentions of hand movements. Literally, the tiniest gesture, completely imperceptible for others. You can basically almost pretend to move your hand, and it will work. For me, with really quite bad RSI, that sounds fucking wonderful. My problem is even the most forgiving buttons are too much, and I'm having trouble controlling both a left stick, and a right hand mouse. Both hands, fucked.
It's just that this is, you know, fucking Zuckerberg.
I am impatiently awaiting the neural headbands that just read my motor cortex so I can just sit there arms crossed and play action games with my mind. That's a way off, but if this thing can read impulses sent to my hand, that means I can sit there making only tiny movement that are comfortable, in any hand position I want, without having to struggle with a fucking piece of awkward plastic that is shaped and works for abled people but is totally fucked for me. I don't care if it takes literally months to learn it, I'll fucking learn it.
I want to make it clear: even if all I could use this for is press a button without actively moving my hands in any perceptible way, that would help my quality of life right now immensely. And I'm not even fully disabled, it's just RSI. I can move my hands, it just hurts to do it a lot. Imagine what this would be like for people with genuine limited mobility. This is a game changer.
This tech is very cool. The crime is that Zuckerberg is the one who will control it. Not the tech itself.
A guy who wrote his PhD at the same time I did was looking into robotic prosthetics. (Caveat that this was 10 years ago; things can have changed since.)
He was looking into the use case of people who've lost their hand but not their arm. The idea was to use EMG (reading the electrical signals of the muscles) in the lower arm muscles; the hand is largely controlled by those muscles. (This is non-invasive; the electrodes are placed on the skin.)
Anyways, after four years of research he could discern the following motions and get the prosthetic to do them at least 90% of the time: Open/close fist ("grip"), open/close thumb and index finger ("pinch"), and rotate wrist ("pronate"), all while the arm was horizontal and while the arm was at an angle.
Previous state of the art was doing two of those things, but only with the arm horizontal. Most actual amputees discard their fancy prosthesis for purely cosmetic ones, claws, or ones that can grip actuated by a harness attached to the chest or buttons.
The fancy prosthetics with independently controlled fingers etc that you see of videos online are a) too fragile for everyday use and b) uncontrollable by real humans.
Anyways, long story short, I'll believe the neural wristband thing when I see it.
That's nice but they've already got proof of concept of neural headbands controlling devices, and that was about five years ago. And literally all I need is one of those modes, a modified form of pinch, and I could suddenly do a ton more stuff pain free. I'd buy a 2000 dollar device that could only press one button with my mind in a heartbeat. Just one! Doesn't even have to actually physically press a button. It just has to tell the computer "hey send the left click impulse" with me barely moving my hand.
So, ten years ago, they were doing what I wanted. It's been a decade since, and this thing is projecting in 6 years time.
It's also not claiming to be a full prosthetic hand, the use case is replacing basic touch interfaces (touch and swipe) while you are walking around using your glasses, but I want to use it to replace left click on a normal computer pain free. I've already got an eyetracker I'd use for the mouse control, so I could not even use a mouse. The eye tracker works great, but it can't interact once the mouse is on the target without awkward stuff like using your voice (which tires your voice) or blinking (which again, tires you after a while). I currently have to setup an awkward system with accessible buttons, and even that can still hurt my hands and isn't very elegant/useful, is quite slow, isn't properly supported by windows and still isn't fully ergonomic.
This is not as much of a joke as you are claiming it is, at all. You've basically just confirmed its possible by saying they can already do what I want it to do with something vastly more complicated than this. Thanks for the good news I guess?
Also to be clear this is not a full blown prosthetic and any discussion that brings up full blown prosthetics is irrelevant to this device. It's a non physical way to left and right click, touch interact, and swipe. That sort of very, very basic stuff that is hard to do without a bulky physical accessory (a controller, or a phone), which they want people to be able to do with their hands in any position, naturally, just by gently twitching your fingers.
This is not a prosthetic, although it might be able to help someone without a hand use a computer. Which would be nice. But any discussion of how far away it is to have a full on robot limb is starting a different discussion about a different piece of tech.
Don't misunderstand me; I'd be super happy if someone gets the tech working properly.
My point was reading muscle activity with electrodes (or other non-invasive means) is imprecise and challenging.
You can have it working perfectly one day and not at all the next. E.g., it's hotter and so you sweat more and so the electrodes pick up a stronger signals due to the increased conductivity of sweaty skin. Or you want to have your arm down instead of horizontally or angled up. Or you haven't calibrated it in a month. Or a thousand other seemingly inconsequential things.
What my colleague told me is that there were hundreds of fancy prosthetics that were working perfectly in the lab and discarded after a day in the wild.
And while, yes, this use case is simpler than a full prosthetic, it's still very hard. The 90% success rate was in ideal conditions. How well do you think it will function in the wild, and without constant re-calibration?
Honestly, well enough is good enough. Im pretty desperate.
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Just so you know I'm currently using the little finger on my left hand to click because my right has had enough for the day and my left-hand thumb and forefingers aren't very happy either, so I have to swap to the only available part of my hand that isn't currently hurting.
But if I do that for too long, it soon will be. This is deeply personally interesting and I know quite a lot about different accessories. I have an entire collection of whack stuff that can be used to interact with a computer. Cos it's either that, or I just stop using them at all.
Actually if that does what it thinks I does, and I just looked it up and I think it does, I'll be using it, and so will many other people with disabled hands.
Or at least, the competitor that creates one that isn't fucking facebook, since as soon as someone invents it others will jump on the bandwagon.
It reads the intentions of hand movements. Literally, the tiniest gesture, completely imperceptible for others. You can basically almost pretend to move your hand, and it will work. For me, with really quite bad RSI, that sounds fucking wonderful. My problem is even the most forgiving buttons are too much, and I'm having trouble controlling both a left stick, and a right hand mouse. Both hands, fucked.
It's just that this is, you know, fucking Zuckerberg.
I am impatiently awaiting the neural headbands that just read my motor cortex so I can just sit there arms crossed and play action games with my mind. That's a way off, but if this thing can read impulses sent to my hand, that means I can sit there making only tiny movement that are comfortable, in any hand position I want, without having to struggle with a fucking piece of awkward plastic that is shaped and works for abled people but is totally fucked for me. I don't care if it takes literally months to learn it, I'll fucking learn it.
I want to make it clear: even if all I could use this for is press a button without actively moving my hands in any perceptible way, that would help my quality of life right now immensely. And I'm not even fully disabled, it's just RSI. I can move my hands, it just hurts to do it a lot. Imagine what this would be like for people with genuine limited mobility. This is a game changer.
This tech is very cool. The crime is that Zuckerberg is the one who will control it. Not the tech itself.
A guy who wrote his PhD at the same time I did was looking into robotic prosthetics. (Caveat that this was 10 years ago; things can have changed since.)
He was looking into the use case of people who've lost their hand but not their arm. The idea was to use EMG (reading the electrical signals of the muscles) in the lower arm muscles; the hand is largely controlled by those muscles. (This is non-invasive; the electrodes are placed on the skin.)
Anyways, after four years of research he could discern the following motions and get the prosthetic to do them at least 90% of the time: Open/close fist ("grip"), open/close thumb and index finger ("pinch"), and rotate wrist ("pronate"), all while the arm was horizontal and while the arm was at an angle.
Previous state of the art was doing two of those things, but only with the arm horizontal. Most actual amputees discard their fancy prosthesis for purely cosmetic ones, claws, or ones that can grip actuated by a harness attached to the chest or buttons.
The fancy prosthetics with independently controlled fingers etc that you see of videos online are a) too fragile for everyday use and b) uncontrollable by real humans.
Anyways, long story short, I'll believe the neural wristband thing when I see it.
That's nice but they've already got proof of concept of neural headbands controlling devices, and that was about five years ago. And literally all I need is one of those modes, a modified form of pinch, and I could suddenly do a ton more stuff pain free. I'd buy a 2000 dollar device that could only press one button with my mind in a heartbeat. Just one! Doesn't even have to actually physically press a button. It just has to tell the computer "hey send the left click impulse" with me barely moving my hand.
So, ten years ago, they were doing what I wanted. It's been a decade since, and this thing is projecting in 6 years time.
It's also not claiming to be a full prosthetic hand, the use case is replacing basic touch interfaces (touch and swipe) while you are walking around using your glasses, but I want to use it to replace left click on a normal computer pain free. I've already got an eyetracker I'd use for the mouse control, so I could not even use a mouse. The eye tracker works great, but it can't interact once the mouse is on the target without awkward stuff like using your voice (which tires your voice) or blinking (which again, tires you after a while). I currently have to setup an awkward system with accessible buttons, and even that can still hurt my hands and isn't very elegant/useful, is quite slow, isn't properly supported by windows and still isn't fully ergonomic.
This is not as much of a joke as you are claiming it is, at all. You've basically just confirmed its possible by saying they can already do what I want it to do with something vastly more complicated than this. Thanks for the good news I guess?
Also to be clear this is not a full blown prosthetic and any discussion that brings up full blown prosthetics is irrelevant to this device. It's a non physical way to left and right click, touch interact, and swipe. That sort of very, very basic stuff that is hard to do without a bulky physical accessory (a controller, or a phone), which they want people to be able to do with their hands in any position, naturally, just by gently twitching your fingers.
This is not a prosthetic, although it might be able to help someone without a hand use a computer. Which would be nice. But any discussion of how far away it is to have a full on robot limb is starting a different discussion about a different piece of tech.
Don't misunderstand me; I'd be super happy if someone gets the tech working properly.
My point was reading muscle activity with electrodes (or other non-invasive means) is imprecise and challenging.
You can have it working perfectly one day and not at all the next. E.g., it's hotter and so you sweat more and so the electrodes pick up a stronger signals due to the increased conductivity of sweaty skin. Or you want to have your arm down instead of horizontally or angled up. Or you haven't calibrated it in a month. Or a thousand other seemingly inconsequential things.
What my colleague told me is that there were hundreds of fancy prosthetics that were working perfectly in the lab and discarded after a day in the wild.
And while, yes, this use case is simpler than a full prosthetic, it's still very hard. The 90% success rate was in ideal conditions. How well do you think it will function in the wild, and without constant re-calibration?
Honestly, well enough is good enough. Im pretty desperate.
I hope something comes along that can at least alleviate your pain and your problems, I truly do.
And if it turns out to be this specific technology, no crow will taste better than the one I'll be eating then.
We got residential solar panels installed! They're working! I'm posting with solar power! The batteries aren't though, so still using the power grid a fair amount. We need the solar company to come back and look at them on monday. Still, even on a heavily overcast day it completely powered the household's electric needs during daylight and offset about half the night power use with excess power sent back up the grid.
I don't think the local power company does the thing where they pay you instead of billing you if you net export power but at the very least it can reduce your consumption bill to zero since the meter runs backwards if you push out current
T-Mobile won't let me order the pixel 7 pro without trading in my pixel 4a 5g but I don't want to do that I want to keep it as a backup.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
I don't know if you're in a position to get an Amazon credit card for this pupose but if you can, they usually offer monthly payment options for large purchases like that
T-Mobile won't let me order the pixel 7 pro without trading in my pixel 4a 5g but I don't want to do that I want to keep it as a backup.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
Having taken many years myself to get out of the insidious financial hole that is paying more over time because you can't afford upfront costs, if you can't afford a $900 phone, perhaps you should not be buying a $900 phone.
Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
T-Mobile won't let me order the pixel 7 pro without trading in my pixel 4a 5g but I don't want to do that I want to keep it as a backup.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
Having taken many years myself to get out of the insidious financial hole that is paying more over time because you can't afford upfront costs, if you can't afford a $900 phone, perhaps you should not be buying a $900 phone.
most phone installment plans are 0 interest aren't they?
T-Mobile won't let me order the pixel 7 pro without trading in my pixel 4a 5g but I don't want to do that I want to keep it as a backup.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
Having taken many years myself to get out of the insidious financial hole that is paying more over time because you can't afford upfront costs, if you can't afford a $900 phone, perhaps you should not be buying a $900 phone.
This feels a little shitty? Talla wasn't asking for financial advice and if they were able to get the phone through T-Mobile like they were originally talking about it would be interest free.
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
Yeah, 900 bucks all at once is not even remotely the same thing as 900 bucks spread out over months, especially if its interest free
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
I’m very much anti-debt (where possible), but even I would absolutely take a phone with zero interest monthly payments rather than paying it all up front. From a purely min-maxing standpoint, even if you have all the money on hand you’ll come out ahead leaving it in an interest bearing account as you pay it off.
Not by much, obviously, but it’s still technically better, and there’s no downside to it.
Everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty
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Perfect time getting on this billionares-buying-social-media game to hock the hot new line of White Lives Matter shirts and a brand new printing of Ye's Protocols of Elders of Zion.
I feel like he could have paid about the same to have started his own, much less encoumbered social media app thing rather than buy Trump's dirty skivvies
I feel like he could have paid about the same to have started his own, much less encoumbered social media app thing rather than buy Trump's dirty skivvies
T-Mobile won't let me order the pixel 7 pro without trading in my pixel 4a 5g but I don't want to do that I want to keep it as a backup.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
Having taken many years myself to get out of the insidious financial hole that is paying more over time because you can't afford upfront costs, if you can't afford a $900 phone, perhaps you should not be buying a $900 phone.
I mean it's zero interest and folded into my phone bill, is not like I'm taking a predatory payday loan for it or putting it on one of my credit cards.
It's literally how I've gotten phones for the past like, ten years
If you really wanted to give me financial advice go back in time and tell me not to buy a new car after I got my license in 2015 and just get a beater instead. But you'd probably have to argue with my mom who made me get the fucking Kia in the first place.
Also like, I was complaining about the weird way they've changed their ordering system not soliciting advice anyway.
Funniest thing about this is that he's been hanging out with Candace Owens a ton lately and parroting her right wing talking points/bullshit propoganda. Well guess who's CEO of Parler... Candace Owens' husband! No one can grift like the right can grift
ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
A store employee a couple months ago figured out how to get around the "no mass mailings" filters on our email accounts to send his resignation letter to.. well, not every email address, but a good few thousand of them. The reply-all "stop replying all!" email responses were epic.
Netflix about to lose a shit load more subscribers.
People aren't going to pay for a "sub account", whatever the fuck that means. They'll just cancel their subscription.
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Apple’s new iPad announcement seems insane.
The new base iPad now has a usb C port, which is part of their overall strategy, which makes sense. But it’s only compatible with their gen one pencil. Which can only be charged by putting it into a receiving port of a lightning connector. (Though now if you buy a pencil it will come with a usb c to lightning adapter.
The new iPad also realises that most people use landscape for most things (especially video calls) and moved the camera to be on top for landscape mode, that’s good! The new iPad Pro does not. The design language seems to be all over the place and I just don’t know what they’re doing with it.
It’s disappointing because my kid broke the screen of my iPad so I’m in the market for a new one, but the new base models, despite looking great have a bunch of tiny flaws (and are a bunch more expensive) so at this stage I’m half tempted at the stage to look on the second hand market for a cheaper air or even an 11 inch pro.
Netflix about to lose a shit load more subscribers.
People aren't going to pay for a "sub account", whatever the fuck that means. They'll just cancel their subscription.
and go where?
Some will just go without. Netflix doesn't have any killer content to justify a constant subscription.
If you really want to watch a particular show, you'll sign up for a month. Instantly cancel the recurring sub and binge watch what you want.
Or just pirate it (I am of course not advocating for this).
Yeah, I only sign up for Netflix when there is something I want to watch and then cancel as soon as I'm done binging. The same with Paramount Plus, Britbox, Masterpiece, etc.
I'd even cancel my Amazon subscription if I could buy it's tied to too many other Amazon services that are hard to break.
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But if I do that for too long, it soon will be. This is deeply personally interesting and I know quite a lot about different accessories. I have an entire collection of whack stuff that can be used to interact with a computer. Cos it's either that, or I just stop using them at all.
Honestly, well enough is good enough. Im pretty desperate.
I hope something comes along that can at least alleviate your pain and your problems, I truly do.
And if it turns out to be this specific technology, no crow will taste better than the one I'll be eating then.
You could just buy a carrier unlocked one off Amazon.
Not in installments though. I can't swing 900 dollars in one go very easily and always get my phone's added to my bill.
I don't know if you're in a position to get an Amazon credit card for this pupose but if you can, they usually offer monthly payment options for large purchases like that
Having taken many years myself to get out of the insidious financial hole that is paying more over time because you can't afford upfront costs, if you can't afford a $900 phone, perhaps you should not be buying a $900 phone.
most phone installment plans are 0 interest aren't they?
This feels a little shitty? Talla wasn't asking for financial advice and if they were able to get the phone through T-Mobile like they were originally talking about it would be interest free.
Not by much, obviously, but it’s still technically better, and there’s no downside to it.
fuck off
The audience is the reason he's buying it
I mean it's zero interest and folded into my phone bill, is not like I'm taking a predatory payday loan for it or putting it on one of my credit cards.
It's literally how I've gotten phones for the past like, ten years
If you really wanted to give me financial advice go back in time and tell me not to buy a new car after I got my license in 2015 and just get a beater instead. But you'd probably have to argue with my mom who made me get the fucking Kia in the first place.
Also like, I was complaining about the weird way they've changed their ordering system not soliciting advice anyway.
The functions I actually use are calling people, texting, setting alarms, internet and whatsapp to send photos.
Funniest thing about this is that he's been hanging out with Candace Owens a ton lately and parroting her right wing talking points/bullshit propoganda. Well guess who's CEO of Parler... Candace Owens' husband! No one can grift like the right can grift
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if you can ditch the internet...which is the main thing a smartphone does:
https://skysedge.com/unsmartphones/RUSP/index.html
I wonder if it works with touch tone menus.
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seems like things are going well so far
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I like how they managed a USB-C on their phone before Apple.
Netflix about to lose a shit load more subscribers.
People aren't going to pay for a "sub account", whatever the fuck that means. They'll just cancel their subscription.
The new base iPad now has a usb C port, which is part of their overall strategy, which makes sense. But it’s only compatible with their gen one pencil. Which can only be charged by putting it into a receiving port of a lightning connector. (Though now if you buy a pencil it will come with a usb c to lightning adapter.
The new iPad also realises that most people use landscape for most things (especially video calls) and moved the camera to be on top for landscape mode, that’s good! The new iPad Pro does not. The design language seems to be all over the place and I just don’t know what they’re doing with it.
It’s disappointing because my kid broke the screen of my iPad so I’m in the market for a new one, but the new base models, despite looking great have a bunch of tiny flaws (and are a bunch more expensive) so at this stage I’m half tempted at the stage to look on the second hand market for a cheaper air or even an 11 inch pro.
Satans..... hints.....
What year are they operating in?
and go where?
Some will just go without. Netflix doesn't have any killer content to justify a constant subscription.
If you really want to watch a particular show, you'll sign up for a month. Instantly cancel the recurring sub and binge watch what you want.
Or just pirate it (I am of course not advocating for this).
Satans..... hints.....
Netflix built an entire model on being the only option and did not plan for content creators taking their IP and starting their own services.
The obvious thing to do is "Netflix should create it's own IPs and then build a customer base from there".
The only issue is that they cancel anything after a season or 2 if it isn't the next stranger things.
Yeah, I only sign up for Netflix when there is something I want to watch and then cancel as soon as I'm done binging. The same with Paramount Plus, Britbox, Masterpiece, etc.
I'd even cancel my Amazon subscription if I could buy it's tied to too many other Amazon services that are hard to break.