Oh btw apparently I kicked @38thDoe 's butt in smash last night, look forward to kicking a couple more butts tonight.
Hopefully @kime can pull his weight
But seriously, I'm already sticking a target on my back by winning matches.
Presumably the Mafia will not like it if we start reanimating villagers with our winnings, so at some point they'll have to start killing those of us with money.
Not sure if that means we vote people out who have lost though; they would be more likely to die anyway.
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Although we can also just ditch winnings before being voted out and gift the store items to other people, so being voted out might not be that big a deal.
The OoO down the gift shop going before votes take effect, presumably so vote immunity works. Can you give bought items to other people before the vote as well?
What is a Thrall? I went back and re-read the setup post, and I was able to google Miller and vig (short for vigilante; I feel silly), but Thrall isn't on any of the major wikis, at least by that name. Searching "mafia thrall role" just gets stuff on World of Warcraft.
Also I'm wondering if our vig maybe didn't try to kill anyone last night? That would beg the question of who made the other kill attempt(s), though.
We are allowed to freely PM each other as long as we include @H3Knuckles, correct?
What is a Thrall? I went back and re-read the setup post, and I was able to google Miller and vig (short for vigilante; I feel silly), but Thrall isn't on any of the major wikis, at least by that name. Searching "mafia thrall role" just gets stuff on World of Warcraft.
Also I'm wondering if our vig maybe didn't try to kill anyone last night? That would beg the question of who made the other kill attempt(s), though.
We are allowed to freely PM each other as long as we include @H3Knuckles, correct?
I always thought Vig was for Villagers, and not the Animal Crossing type
What is a Thrall? I went back and re-read the setup post, and I was able to google Miller and vig (short for vigilante; I feel silly), but Thrall isn't on any of the major wikis, at least by that name. Searching "mafia thrall role" just gets stuff on World of Warcraft.
Also I'm wondering if our vig maybe didn't try to kill anyone last night? That would beg the question of who made the other kill attempt(s), though.
We are allowed to freely PM each other as long as we include @H3Knuckles, correct?
This is Critical Failures' Phalla Signup thread. It is for signups for running Phalla games, and discussion of game mechanics. Keep the thread strictly on-topic. Generally, there will be one main Phalla running (with up to two threads), as well as up to two smaller Phallas. You must sign up in this thread to run a major game. No dead threads, and the game will be run in the same threads where the signups take place. This is going to be the system until we start having problems, at which point a mod will probably fix those problems in ways that no one will like, so play nice.
The "village" consists of all players in the game. Included in the village are a small number of bad guys, commonly known as the "mafia". Normally, the mafia members all know one another at the beginning of the game, but nobody else knows anything about anyone other than themselves.
Each day (normally a 24-hour period) the village discusses and publically votes for one person to be executed that night. At the same time, the bad guys choose one person to kill each night and PM the name to the narrator. In larger games, the bad guys might get two kills per night or other abilities to use.
The good side wins if all of the bad guys die. The bad side wins if the number of good guys is less than or equal to the number of bad guys (on the assumption that at that point, they control the vote plus get their kill, so it's inevitable). Large games generally take between a week and two weeks. Small games usually last a week or less.
Usually, there will be one or more "special" roles among the good guys (and occasionally among the bad guys). Exactly who holds each role is only known to that person, and it may not even be known which or how many specials will be in any given game.
Each night, the narrator gives the details of who died, and normally whether they were a bad guy. Some games also include clues or outright statements if someone who died was a good special.
Living players may not communicate regarding the game with dead players and vice versa, unless there is some specific mechanic in place to do so. In that case, communication normally goes through the narrator. If you are dead and the moderator allows a "goodbye" post, make sure it includes absolutely no information about the game, even if you think the information is obvious. If you receive a PM or see a post breaking this rule, notify the person running the game immediately.
You may not use any anonymous method of communication to discuss the game. Forum-based PMs, external IMs, e-mails and other message boards (like proboards) are allowed as long as the person you are talking to knows who you are. You may not use screencaps to "prove" anything to anyone. Do not speak in code.
Along similar lines, don't use the "Add to conversation" feature. Phalla requires a certain amount of uncertainty, and since adding a person to a conversation allows them to see the entire thread, it can serve as a form of verification along the same lines of screen captures. If you wish to communicate something from a PM/conversation to a new player, then start up a new conversation with that individual.
Play nice. It's okay to argue, but don't get too hostile. If it's getting to the point where you're asking other people to quit the game, you're going too far. We're all here to have fun, so take it easy and keep as level a head as possible. Respect others and they'll respect you.
Common Variations
Many larger games contain multiple groups of bad guys working at cross-purposes (a Mafia vs. Werewolves game). Other games may put all players into different factions with each faction’s goal of eliminating a certain subset of the other factions - there may or may not be a common Mafia-style faction that all groups will need to eliminate to achieve victory.
Additional voting or other mechanics can also be used. At least one game has included a council or single person elected every other night who is able to use a power publically. For example, one game had an elected council able to shift the execution vote to the second person. Another had an elected emperor able to choose a person to kill.
In a small game, the typical size for a group of bad guys is 15-20%; the player population, although an individual game may lean toward the high end, particularly if there is only one group of bad guys in a larger game.
Often, everyone gets a "flavor" role in the game. Bad guys and good specials usually get a normal "villager" role in addition to their special role. This keeps people from using their initial PM to verify someone else's role. The two most common ways to do this are to (a) use the exact same message to everyone, or (b) give everyone a unique villager role.
Special Roles
Roles will have different names depending on the theme of the game. Listed below are the usual "generic" terms for each role. Normally, specials exercise their power by communicating with the narrator via PM. The core roles present in some form in most games are:
Seer - once per night can "investigate" a particular person and find out from the narrator if they are a bad guy. Variations of seers may be able to determine a good special as well, although they may be unable to distinguish them from a bad guy.
Vigilante - once per night can kill a person of their choosing.
Guardian - once per night can protect someone from any death other than execution by the village. Whether they can protect against multiple attacks on one person in the same night is up to the narrator.
Masons - a group of two or three good guys who start the game knowing each other and knowing that they are all good.
There are many, many other roles that can be present. The following is a list of some of them:
Miller - a villager who appears to be evil when seered. A Death Miller appears to be evil when seered or upon death.
Thrall - an evil person who appears to be good when seered. Sometimes revealed to be evil upon death.
Bus Driver - once per night chooses two targets. Any powers targeting one instead targets the other, and vice versa.
Role Blocker - once per night chooses a target. The powers of that person do not work for the night.
Tracker - once per night may "investigate" someone. Unlike the seer, only finds out if their target used a power that night. Some variations finds out if their target was targeted by someone else, or who their target targeted.
Spy - in a game with multiple groups, is a member of two groups. Usually he is really only aligned with one of the groups.
Messenger - allowed to send messages to the narrator, which will then be relayed to a single person or during the narration.
Jester (Village Idiot)- wins if he is voted out, but loses if he dies for any other reason or if he survives to the end. Rarely used.
Survivor - wins if he survives until the end. Usually paired with some other power to make survival easier. Roles which require the player to survive until the end are usually called "neutral."
Serial Killer - basically an evil group with one person in it. The SK has a nightly kill and has to kill every single other person, or every other person but one. Often has other powers to make survival easier.
Conditional Invincibility (Athan) - a (usually evil) person who is invincible until something happens. The role Athan from the Phalliad is the best known example.
Vote Manipulator - a person whose vote counts more than once, less than once, or who affects the vote in some way.
Reverse Seer (Befriender, Child) - chooses a target once per night. The person chosen discovers which side the reverse seer is on.
Paranoid, Naive, or Insane Seer - a paranoid seer always seers targets as being on the other side. A naive seer always seers targets as being on their side. An insane seer always seers good targets as bad and bad targets as good.
Converter - chooses someone to convert to their side.
Cultist - individual that converts people to their side each day, and wins if a majority of remaining players have been converted. When killed, converted players are normally released to their original roles.
TLDR:
[*]Thrall - an evil person who appears to be good when seered. Sometimes revealed to be evil upon death.
Yes as long as you include @H3Knuckles in the PM with whoever you speak with it's ok to PM people.
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
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What is a Thrall? I went back and re-read the setup post, and I was able to google Miller and vig (short for vigilante; I feel silly), but Thrall isn't on any of the major wikis, at least by that name. Searching "mafia thrall role" just gets stuff on World of Warcraft.
Also I'm wondering if our vig maybe didn't try to kill anyone last night? That would beg the question of who made the other kill attempt(s), though.
We are allowed to freely PM each other as long as we include @H3Knuckles, correct?
I always thought Vig was for Villagers, and not the Animal Crossing type
There could be a Serial Killer(SK) who is usually neutral and has a kill every night. I was one two games in a row. Best time I ever had.
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
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With nothing to go on? Sure I'll hop into this suspicious third spot on the SeGaTai train. Whoo-hoo!
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
So calica isn't mafia if they're confused about whether PMs are allowed.
And Do we resurrect with the shop items and coins we died with?
I assumed mafia would obviously be allowed to PM each other :razz: I wasn't sure about private communication between people who are neither mafia nor masons.
Thinking of tabletop versions of this, where private communication is difficult if you're not in a named group.
So calica isn't mafia if they're confused about whether PMs are allowed.
And Do we resurrect with the shop items and coins we died with?
Not necessarily. Mafia often don't initiate PMs with each other after all.
Vig = vigilante, btw. A village-aligned person who can kill another player each night, usually. It is commonly accepted that it's usually a good idea for the vig to shoot every night if they can, because even if they are wrong some of the time it's at least a kill the mafia doesn't control. Same reason we vote every day.
MamaWolfThe wolf pack guides all to safetyRegistered Userregular
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PMing each other is what we refer to as "Networking." Networking can be very good to gain allies l, especially early on in the game. The caution to this is you may find yourself in a complete Network of Mafia.
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"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
More days for the village > random shots from the vig.
Only shoot people you feel are suspect or that deserve it I think.
Like inactive players, they always deserve it.
I am new to all this so I don't have all the prejudices and established knowledge you all have, so this is a thinker. As far as I know, you are all the bad guys. Everyone but me
I mean, its a given that everyone is a bad guy. Especially since there is a clarification denied on thralls/millers, you could be a bad guy and not even know.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
This is collusion - I expect the votes from kime and premium because I'm going to woop there butts tonight and they need all the help they can get.
But Mamawolf - my own tag team partner trying to throw me under the bus as well - that's just cruel.
But honestly with just the one village kill last night I feel like this is almost day 1 over again unless you happen to have private knowledge that limited things to only 1 kill
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MamaWolfThe wolf pack guides all to safetyRegistered Userregular
This is collusion - I expect the votes from kime and premium because I'm going to woop there butts tonight and they need all the help they can get.
But Mamawolf - my own tag team partner trying to throw me under the bus as well - that's just cruel.
But honestly with just the one village kill last night I feel like this is almost day 1 over again unless you happen to have private knowledge that limited things to only 1 kill
Oh wow...... completely read over that. I change my vote back to my day 1 Discrider
"May the moon watch over you and keep you safe through the night, 'till the morning comes and MamaWolf can protect you through the day"
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I don't have much to go from/and much feeling of grudgyness from the last game, so premium
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
This is collusion - I expect the votes from kime and premium because I'm going to woop there butts tonight and they need all the help they can get.
But Mamawolf - my own tag team partner trying to throw me under the bus as well - that's just cruel.
But honestly with just the one village kill last night I feel like this is almost day 1 over again unless you happen to have private knowledge that limited things to only 1 kill
Yeah collusion to vote out the obvious mafia person
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Hopefully @kime can pull his weight
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Since he is my Free For All foe, and he also just was on the thread page I was reading, I say went send discrider to that Free For All in the sky
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How are we going to see how much damage I can inflict on you before you bounce out from under Hyrule Castle if you vote me out?
Presumably the Mafia will not like it if we start reanimating villagers with our winnings, so at some point they'll have to start killing those of us with money.
Not sure if that means we vote people out who have lost though; they would be more likely to die anyway.
Although we can also just ditch winnings before being voted out and gift the store items to other people, so being voted out might not be that big a deal.
The OoO down the gift shop going before votes take effect, presumably so vote immunity works. Can you give bought items to other people before the vote as well?
Also I'm wondering if our vig maybe didn't try to kill anyone last night? That would beg the question of who made the other kill attempt(s), though.
We are allowed to freely PM each other as long as we include @H3Knuckles, correct?
I always thought Vig was for Villagers, and not the Animal Crossing type
Here is a list and explanation of Phalla stuff:
[*]Thrall - an evil person who appears to be good when seered. Sometimes revealed to be evil upon death.
Yes as long as you include @H3Knuckles in the PM with whoever you speak with it's ok to PM people.
There could be a Serial Killer(SK) who is usually neutral and has a kill every night. I was one two games in a row. Best time I ever had.
And Do we resurrect with the shop items and coins we died with?
I assumed mafia would obviously be allowed to PM each other :razz: I wasn't sure about private communication between people who are neither mafia nor masons.
Thinking of tabletop versions of this, where private communication is difficult if you're not in a named group.
Not necessarily. Mafia often don't initiate PMs with each other after all.
Vig = vigilante, btw. A village-aligned person who can kill another player each night, usually. It is commonly accepted that it's usually a good idea for the vig to shoot every night if they can, because even if they are wrong some of the time it's at least a kill the mafia doesn't control. Same reason we vote every day.
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Only shoot people you feel are suspect or that deserve it I think.
Like inactive players, they always deserve it.
I mean, its a given that everyone is a bad guy. Especially since there is a clarification denied on thralls/millers, you could be a bad guy and not even know.
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But Mamawolf - my own tag team partner trying to throw me under the bus as well - that's just cruel.
But honestly with just the one village kill last night I feel like this is almost day 1 over again unless you happen to have private knowledge that limited things to only 1 kill
Oh wow...... completely read over that. I change my vote back to my day 1 Discrider
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Yeah collusion to vote out the obvious mafia person
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Yes anime swordsmen are the mafia, c'mon try to pretend harder Marth-clone
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Kenshi wa kakkoi yo! \(^_^)/
<Swordsmen are cool!>
discrider still seems suspect to me, but maybe I'm just stubborn.
I guess I'm going to have to take this one seriously.
Off to the hyperbolic time chamber for training!
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Who me? I suppose so. Though I think the agents game proved I'm a horrible mafia member. 😅
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Vote or not, tonight you're gonna get clapped off the stage so fast your stock won't even know what hit it, friend
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But really because I think it's unlikely they're the vig.
Breaking the tie and leaving the vig target on Sir Fab wouldn't make sense.
And breaking the tie between two villagers and being quiet doesn't really say much about alignment in general, so happy to poke.
But they're also new.
So
Don't be scared of me. I got beat up by premium who is obviously some sort of evil mafia boss.
Kiken'na bijinesu! Exciting!
<Risky business!>