After game 3 Kyrie was complaining about not having enough time together to gel on court and said he didn't know how you fix the time missed since October. That locker room has gotta be so dysfunctional.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
I'd take someone who sat out because he didn't trust his back or even didn't feel mentally prepared over Kyrie's behavior any day.
Kyrie led the team in the play-in that they wouldn't even have made if it weren't for him. I hate his vax issues but he's more important to the Nets than Simmons.
I'd take someone who sat out because he didn't trust his back or even didn't feel mentally prepared over Kyrie's behavior any day.
Kyrie led the team in the play-in that they wouldn't even have made if it weren't for him. I hate his vax issues but he's more important to the Nets than Simmons.
They wouldn't have needed the play-in if Kyrie played all season like a professional instead of comparing vaccination to slavery.
The fact he still won't take ownership over their losses and blames the team not gelling is exactly the lack of leadership or self awareness I saw when he was a Celtic.
Kyrie was more important this season, but if I was making off season decisions, I'd move Kyrie but consider keeping Simmons. Kyrie is poison to everyone but a few of his friends.
Nah, fuck that, I sure wouldn't jump into a game in that situation, especially as DJ described it, much less with a bad back
I guess thats giving Simmons the benefit of the doubt that his injury is real, which i dont really, but again, how was his back supposed to be injured!? He wasnt playing any basketball! I just feel frustrated that a decent chunk of the players think that actually playing basketball is beneath them, interacting with or informing the fans is beneath them, and anyone wanting to know whats going on is unseemly.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
I'd take someone who sat out because he didn't trust his back or even didn't feel mentally prepared over Kyrie's behavior any day.
Kyrie led the team in the play-in that they wouldn't even have made if it weren't for him. I hate his vax issues but he's more important to the Nets than Simmons.
They wouldn't have needed the play-in if Kyrie played all season like a professional instead of comparing vaccination to slavery.
The fact he still won't take ownership over their losses and blames the team not gelling is exactly the lack of leadership or self awareness I saw when he was a Celtic.
Kyrie was more important this season, but if I was making off season decisions, I'd move Kyrie but consider keeping Simmons. Kyrie is poison to everyone but a few of his friends.
I agree with everything you say about Kyrie, but Simmons wasn't exactly missed by his Philly teammates and from a basketball perspective Kyrie is just flat out better especially in a pressure situation. We all saw what happened to Simmons last year and Irving hit arguably the biggest shot in NBA Finals history without hesitation.
I get the hate, I really do. But you're comparing one guy that refused to play over the vaccine to a guy that refused to play under any circumstances to so it's hard for me to give any credit to the worse of the two players.
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There's potential for Simmons to eventually get his act together which is not something you can say for Kyrie without introducing some kind of life altering incident that changes his entire perspective
But the likelihood that Simmons is ever the type of superstar player that Kyrie is/was/can be doesn't seem high. Simmons offensive ceiling would seem to be having a size advantage against smaller guards and a hopefully "doesn't completely disappear" against bigger defenders. But that's just speculation about a player that refuses to shoot
Nah, fuck that, I sure wouldn't jump into a game in that situation, especially as DJ described it, much less with a bad back
I guess thats giving Simmons the benefit of the doubt that his injury is real, which i dont really, but again, how was his back supposed to be injured!? He wasnt playing any basketball! I just feel frustrated that a decent chunk of the players think that actually playing basketball is beneath them, interacting with or informing the fans is beneath them, and anyone wanting to know whats going on is unseemly.
Why would you assume someone is lying?
Suppose he injured his back doing something other than playing basketball . Does that make his injury less legitimate?
If I fall down the steps at home and hurt my back, you better believe I'm not going to work
I understand and am aware Simmons refused to play before, but I haven't seen anything that suggests he's taking injury
I just watched the Suns-Pels game from last night. Holy shit, that was amazing. I love that team. Alvarado just straight up clowning CP3 a couple of times in the 4th and Jones getting those ridicoulus blocks on the perimeter. Amazing. Can't wait to see what they do next season if they get Zion back and don't switch up the roster too much.
I just watched the Suns-Pels game from last night. Holy shit, that was amazing. I love that team. Alvarado just straight up clowning CP3 a couple of times in the 4th and Jones getting those ridicoulus blocks on the perimeter. Amazing. Can't wait to see what they do next season if they get Zion back and don't switch up the roster too much.
Point Zion
Edit: they should trade him and build around Ingram
Captain Inertia on
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
Nah, fuck that, I sure wouldn't jump into a game in that situation, especially as DJ described it, much less with a bad back
I guess thats giving Simmons the benefit of the doubt that his injury is real, which i dont really, but again, how was his back supposed to be injured!? He wasnt playing any basketball! I just feel frustrated that a decent chunk of the players think that actually playing basketball is beneath them, interacting with or informing the fans is beneath them, and anyone wanting to know whats going on is unseemly.
Why would you assume someone is lying?
Suppose he injured his back doing something other than playing basketball . Does that make his injury less legitimate?
If I fall down the steps at home and hurt my back, you better believe I'm not going to work
I understand and am aware Simmons refused to play before, but I haven't seen anything that suggests he's taking injury
Because he's been spinning all season. He said the team didn't reach out to him the whole offseason but when Rivers showed receipts that Simmons was dodging his calls and ignoring his messages, Ben then suggested they should have stalked him so they could pay him a visit at his gym in California. He also dragged Embiid for his play in their elimination last season, when the footage and the stats show he left everything he could on the court especially with his own well-documented knee injury.
I understand the motivation for empathizing with a mental health issue, but Simmons actions the whole year made it really hard for anyone to defend him. Quitting on your team just never plays well. Even if he had solid reasons (which I don't think is clear either way here), Simmons can't reasonably expect his former teammates to think all that much of him nor can he expect his future teammates to trust him right away. All the talk about him being "possible" for this series only to cite back issues now with the Nets facing a sweep, is suspect any way you look at it.
I just watched the Suns-Pels game from last night. Holy shit, that was amazing. I love that team. Alvarado just straight up clowning CP3 a couple of times in the 4th and Jones getting those ridicoulus blocks on the perimeter. Amazing. Can't wait to see what they do next season if they get Zion back and don't switch up the roster too much.
Point Zion
Edit: they should trade him and build around Ingram
Nah, I'd rather see what they can do with a full off-season and then season with Ingram - McCollum - Zion plus the now Rookies, before they trade anyone.
Nah, fuck that, I sure wouldn't jump into a game in that situation, especially as DJ described it, much less with a bad back
I guess thats giving Simmons the benefit of the doubt that his injury is real, which i dont really, but again, how was his back supposed to be injured!? He wasnt playing any basketball! I just feel frustrated that a decent chunk of the players think that actually playing basketball is beneath them, interacting with or informing the fans is beneath them, and anyone wanting to know whats going on is unseemly.
Why would you assume someone is lying?
Suppose he injured his back doing something other than playing basketball . Does that make his injury less legitimate?
If I fall down the steps at home and hurt my back, you better believe I'm not going to work
I understand and am aware Simmons refused to play before, but I haven't seen anything that suggests he's taking injury
Because he's been spinning all season. He said the team didn't reach out to him the whole offseason but when Rivers showed receipts that Simmons was dodging his calls and ignoring his messages, Ben then suggested they should have stalked him so they could pay him a visit at his gym in California. He also dragged Embiid for his play in their elimination last season, when the footage and the stats show he left everything he could on the court especially with his own well-documented knee injury.
I understand the motivation for empathizing with a mental health issue, but Simmons actions the whole year made it really hard for anyone to defend him. Quitting on your team just never plays well. Even if he had solid reasons (which I don't think is clear either way here), Simmons can't reasonably expect his former teammates to think all that much of him nor can he expect his future teammates to trust him right away. All the talk about him being "possible" for this series only to cite back issues now with the Nets facing a sweep, is suspect any way you look at it.
Exactly, the communication of Ben Simmons issues has changed any time he has needed it to. At first, it was a trade demand and a leverage play. Then, realizing he might be in contract breach, switches it to mental health. 76ers offer to help him with that, and then its "uhhh, no, its actually my back". Keep on mind, we havent seen any actual info on a diagnosis on his back.
I keep agreeing with people i dislike over this issue, but look at Chuck and Shaq. They arent buying it either.
Its true that it doesnt make sense for someone with an injury to try and make it back into a series where they are down 0-3, but he said he was going to, so at some point you expect him to follow through, but he hasnt been able to keep his story consistent for more than 2 weeks at a time since this debacle began.
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
He also said he wasn't going to report for any pre-season activities and then just showed up for a COVID test without informing the team. He was clearly just trying to get suspended so the team would stop fining him for holding out.
It seems like whatever he needs going forward, he can't get from a basketball organization so we should stop pretending he's a reasonable actor here.
Yeah, the thing is that he doesn't want to play basketball, but wants to get paid max contract money for it, take up a roster spot, and keep everyone in limbo about whether he will ever actually be available or not. If he did just say "You know what, turns out pro basketball isn't for me, I'm done playing", and then didn't fight to get every dollar on his contract, we'd probably just say "Well, good for him. I hope he finds something that helps him be happy" and move on.
“My client would like to not be the first player in nba history to be eliminated from the playoffs two games in a row”
Also I’m so happy he’s no longer my teams problem, I don’t even care about how good he eventually plays and how washed harden is. I just want people who vaguely want to play the sport on the team.
Knight_ on
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The JudgeThe Terwilliger CurvesRegistered Userregular
Ja won Most Improved Player.
I am a little confused by that.
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Yeah, I always thought MIP was for unexpected improvements, not "this obvious superstar made the standard year 2 to year 3 improvement that everyone expects"
I mean sure, 8 more ppg is nice, but I thought there were several more obvious choices.
ShadowenSnores in the morningLoserdomRegistered Userregular
Hey, if the Sixers just deciding to cruise for a game is what it takes for the Ratpors to stay alive, I'm sure Toronto will be like "so be it."
Of course I won't celebrate yet because the Raps have been up by double digits and managed to lose in the literal last minute before just in this series so
The officiating for the Nets/Celtics game tonight was just brutal. I swear every other possession was a foul call. But I suppose it did allow Claxton to break Shaq's record of most missed free throws to start a playoff game. He missed his first ten.
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I have to cheer for the Raps, not just because I'm Canadian and they're my only team geographically, but because the Sixers have Harden.
And I know the odds are extremely long (as in, never been done before); they're already in 10% territory just for forcing a game 6 after being down 3-0.
But if they do pull it off, become the first NBA team in history to do that--and tonight, even with the Raps not at full strength, the Sixers look profoundly beatable--I mean, it almost doesn't matter if they win the championship or even make it past the next series after that, right? First all time, forever.
The Raptors pulling that off would be incredible for the Raptors but I have to assume the person who would take up most of the oxygen in that conversation is Doc Rivers.
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Kyrie led the team in the play-in that they wouldn't even have made if it weren't for him. I hate his vax issues but he's more important to the Nets than Simmons.
I guess I didn’t really see how Harden fit in either, but Kyrie fucking off kind of solved that for a good chunk of the season
They wouldn't have needed the play-in if Kyrie played all season like a professional instead of comparing vaccination to slavery.
The fact he still won't take ownership over their losses and blames the team not gelling is exactly the lack of leadership or self awareness I saw when he was a Celtic.
Kyrie was more important this season, but if I was making off season decisions, I'd move Kyrie but consider keeping Simmons. Kyrie is poison to everyone but a few of his friends.
I guess thats giving Simmons the benefit of the doubt that his injury is real, which i dont really, but again, how was his back supposed to be injured!? He wasnt playing any basketball! I just feel frustrated that a decent chunk of the players think that actually playing basketball is beneath them, interacting with or informing the fans is beneath them, and anyone wanting to know whats going on is unseemly.
I agree with everything you say about Kyrie, but Simmons wasn't exactly missed by his Philly teammates and from a basketball perspective Kyrie is just flat out better especially in a pressure situation. We all saw what happened to Simmons last year and Irving hit arguably the biggest shot in NBA Finals history without hesitation.
I get the hate, I really do. But you're comparing one guy that refused to play over the vaccine to a guy that refused to play under any circumstances to so it's hard for me to give any credit to the worse of the two players.
But the likelihood that Simmons is ever the type of superstar player that Kyrie is/was/can be doesn't seem high. Simmons offensive ceiling would seem to be having a size advantage against smaller guards and a hopefully "doesn't completely disappear" against bigger defenders. But that's just speculation about a player that refuses to shoot
Why would you assume someone is lying?
Suppose he injured his back doing something other than playing basketball . Does that make his injury less legitimate?
If I fall down the steps at home and hurt my back, you better believe I'm not going to work
I understand and am aware Simmons refused to play before, but I haven't seen anything that suggests he's taking injury
Just go full fucking weirdos
Point Zion
Edit: they should trade him and build around Ingram
Because he's been spinning all season. He said the team didn't reach out to him the whole offseason but when Rivers showed receipts that Simmons was dodging his calls and ignoring his messages, Ben then suggested they should have stalked him so they could pay him a visit at his gym in California. He also dragged Embiid for his play in their elimination last season, when the footage and the stats show he left everything he could on the court especially with his own well-documented knee injury.
https://defector.com/benwatch-very-generously-not-blaming-things-on-joel-embiid/
I understand the motivation for empathizing with a mental health issue, but Simmons actions the whole year made it really hard for anyone to defend him. Quitting on your team just never plays well. Even if he had solid reasons (which I don't think is clear either way here), Simmons can't reasonably expect his former teammates to think all that much of him nor can he expect his future teammates to trust him right away. All the talk about him being "possible" for this series only to cite back issues now with the Nets facing a sweep, is suspect any way you look at it.
Nah, I'd rather see what they can do with a full off-season and then season with Ingram - McCollum - Zion plus the now Rookies, before they trade anyone.
But if Zion is healthy and willing to play for you, you never trade him, no, never, in fact here’s a rolled up newspaper to the face for thinking that
Exactly, the communication of Ben Simmons issues has changed any time he has needed it to. At first, it was a trade demand and a leverage play. Then, realizing he might be in contract breach, switches it to mental health. 76ers offer to help him with that, and then its "uhhh, no, its actually my back". Keep on mind, we havent seen any actual info on a diagnosis on his back.
I keep agreeing with people i dislike over this issue, but look at Chuck and Shaq. They arent buying it either.
Its true that it doesnt make sense for someone with an injury to try and make it back into a series where they are down 0-3, but he said he was going to, so at some point you expect him to follow through, but he hasnt been able to keep his story consistent for more than 2 weeks at a time since this debacle began.
It seems like whatever he needs going forward, he can't get from a basketball organization so we should stop pretending he's a reasonable actor here.
Also I’m so happy he’s no longer my teams problem, I don’t even care about how good he eventually plays and how washed harden is. I just want people who vaguely want to play the sport on the team.
I am a little confused by that.
I mean sure, 8 more ppg is nice, but I thought there were several more obvious choices.
Dray
KAT
DeRozan
Love
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I haven't watched but about 14 or 15 games all season, but the 3 times I've watched the TWolves Towns has impressed.
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at least it would get doc fired and nobody would ever put him on top 15 lists anymore lol.
I know it's philly but getting bood by your own fans in the second quarter up 3-1 is amazing
Of course I won't celebrate yet because the Raps have been up by double digits and managed to lose in the literal last minute before just in this series so
And I know the odds are extremely long (as in, never been done before); they're already in 10% territory just for forcing a game 6 after being down 3-0.
But if they do pull it off, become the first NBA team in history to do that--and tonight, even with the Raps not at full strength, the Sixers look profoundly beatable--I mean, it almost doesn't matter if they win the championship or even make it past the next series after that, right? First all time, forever.