Hello and Good Evening! I have, finally, beaten 3-3 and got me a Xiangling! I did it finally with a Tigh, Xingqui, Amber and Barbara. Of course I didn't get 6 stars or whatever to unlock the next Floor.
So this is where I sit with characters.
I'm trying to balance ease of getting Ascencion materials vs How much I enjoy playing them.
I enjoy Tigh, Scaramouch and Xingqui so far but I really need to just choose a Main!
If it's possible to break into Sumeru and hit all the required spots (world boss, talent domain, and artifact domain), and you don't mind actually doing it, Wanderer is totally worth building up.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
edited December 2022
From the list you have there, your best mains are Wanderer, Tighnari, and Yanfei I think. Leveling any of them is a bit of a pain, though at least with Tighnari you have someone who will spot resources on the map for the Sumeru characters. Same for Gorou in Inazuma, but you have less important units there.
Xingqiu is great, but he's off field completely. He wants to drop his wets and get out. Great unit, not a main. Same with Xiangling who is still the top pyro DPS, but is all off field. You're not using either of their auto attacks. The good news is the two of them would be a lot of fun with either Tighnari or Wanderer. You'll either be running a ton of Burgeon/Vape/Bloom reactions with Tighnari, or comical amounts of Swirl with Wanderer.
As for a fourth, Barbara might be nice for the extra Bloom, HP buff, and healing. I'm gonna throw an out of left field idea out with Thoma, too. His shields are quite good, and the burst gives more Burgeon chances, plus you get an ATK bonus for having two pyro characters in the party. You can always force feed yourself more sweet madame!
If you get her in the future, Kuki Shinobu would be a great fourth as well. Her E is both healing and damage around yourself, and she scales really well for Hyperbloom. But for now, focus on your mains and have fun with what you've got going. Plus next patch we should be able to pick a Liyue character during Lantern Rite, so Yaoyao or one of the other old characters there (or a constellation).
I already made my way in to Sumeru to level up Tighnari so why not again for Wanderer? I do like his playstyle. Just not sure what good his e does, other than gets him up in the air out of weapon range? And is there a way to increase his flying stamina thingy?
Anywho I'm going to go with ... bleh I want both Tigh and Wanderer! I may end up flipping a coin!
Tighnari, Xingqui, Xiangling, Thoma
or
Wanderer, Xingqui, Xiangling, Barbara
I'll flip a coin after watching this weeks Willow.
If I hadn't said it before, I really appreciate all the help everyone has given me. I am ready to just pick one and get working on my team.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
When he's airborne he gets a bunch of boosts. Off the top of my head:
Buffs based on which elements he swirls
The attacks do more damage and have a bigger AoE
When dodging, he fires four little wind arrow thingies that hit targets
Some of these might be hidden behind his 4* ascension, but he's got a lot going on in that E skill.
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The free events to trial him have made it real tempting to have a few pulls of his banner to try and get him.
Putting a bunch of elements on enemies and going airborne and wiping them out felt like you were suddenly an attack helicopter.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
Yeah I did the last one with all characters I didn't have already (Wanderer, Nilou, Yelan, Faruzan) and still beat it. I like his playstyle fine but I still can't get over what a douche he is in the story.
I think Wanderer is just not for me. I played him in the trial and he seemed alright but that was with a (presumably good) artifact set (made purely for him) that I'm not grinding for and (I believe) his personal 5* weapon, so it's very skewed. Even with that, I just found him to be flashy without actually playing differently than anyone else so like...at this point, I would rather get Ayato than him because it's a very similar gameplay loop (use skill, mash attack until attack is done, switch character, repeat). I don't know that I will but I might.
I was only at 15 pity, though, so I did a couple 10 pulls on Itto's banner just because, got two Gorou's (Only C2 now, dang) and a Faruzan. I don't know how I do it, the only 4* I've missed on their banner (that I pulled for) was Yanfei back when she just came out. Since then, I've been a 4* magnet, getting one (occasionally more) from the rate-up whenever they first come out without fail. I gave her the first Ascension treatment for the Acquaint Fate but without Xiao or Wanderer (and little desire to get them or build Heizou, despite finding him fun) I don't think I'll mess with her beyond that.
I think Wanderer is just not for me. I played him in the trial and he seemed alright but that was with a (presumably good) artifact set (made purely for him) that I'm not grinding for and (I believe) his personal 5* weapon, so it's very skewed. Even with that, I just found him to be flashy without actually playing differently than anyone else so like...at this point, I would rather get Ayato than him because it's a very similar gameplay loop (use skill, mash attack until attack is done, switch character, repeat). I don't know that I will but I might.
I was only at 15 pity, though, so I did a couple 10 pulls on Itto's banner just because, got two Gorou's (Only C2 now, dang) and a Faruzan. I don't know how I do it, the only 4* I've missed on their banner (that I pulled for) was Yanfei back when she just came out. Since then, I've been a 4* magnet, getting one (occasionally more) from the rate-up whenever they first come out without fail. I gave her the first Ascension treatment for the Acquaint Fate but without Xiao or Wanderer (and little desire to get them or build Heizou, despite finding him fun) I don't think I'll mess with her beyond that.
Actually the funny thing about the trials is that everybody has their BiS artifact set, but not their weapon. They're all using 4* weapons. So if anything the trials are more of a representative of the power level the average player can achieve out of them, as opposed to an example of what they're like completely tweaked out but only a whale will ever see.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
I think Wanderer is just not for me. I played him in the trial and he seemed alright but that was with a (presumably good) artifact set (made purely for him) that I'm not grinding for and (I believe) his personal 5* weapon, so it's very skewed. Even with that, I just found him to be flashy without actually playing differently than anyone else so like...at this point, I would rather get Ayato than him because it's a very similar gameplay loop (use skill, mash attack until attack is done, switch character, repeat). I don't know that I will but I might.
I was only at 15 pity, though, so I did a couple 10 pulls on Itto's banner just because, got two Gorou's (Only C2 now, dang) and a Faruzan. I don't know how I do it, the only 4* I've missed on their banner (that I pulled for) was Yanfei back when she just came out. Since then, I've been a 4* magnet, getting one (occasionally more) from the rate-up whenever they first come out without fail. I gave her the first Ascension treatment for the Acquaint Fate but without Xiao or Wanderer (and little desire to get them or build Heizou, despite finding him fun) I don't think I'll mess with her beyond that.
Actually the funny thing about the trials is that everybody has their BiS artifact set, but not their weapon. They're all using 4* weapons. So if anything the trials are more of a representative of the power level the average player can achieve out of them, as opposed to an example of what they're like completely tweaked out but only a whale will ever see.
Don't they usually have constellations though in those?
I think Wanderer is just not for me. I played him in the trial and he seemed alright but that was with a (presumably good) artifact set (made purely for him) that I'm not grinding for and (I believe) his personal 5* weapon, so it's very skewed. Even with that, I just found him to be flashy without actually playing differently than anyone else so like...at this point, I would rather get Ayato than him because it's a very similar gameplay loop (use skill, mash attack until attack is done, switch character, repeat). I don't know that I will but I might.
I was only at 15 pity, though, so I did a couple 10 pulls on Itto's banner just because, got two Gorou's (Only C2 now, dang) and a Faruzan. I don't know how I do it, the only 4* I've missed on their banner (that I pulled for) was Yanfei back when she just came out. Since then, I've been a 4* magnet, getting one (occasionally more) from the rate-up whenever they first come out without fail. I gave her the first Ascension treatment for the Acquaint Fate but without Xiao or Wanderer (and little desire to get them or build Heizou, despite finding him fun) I don't think I'll mess with her beyond that.
Actually the funny thing about the trials is that everybody has their BiS artifact set, but not their weapon. They're all using 4* weapons. So if anything the trials are more of a representative of the power level the average player can achieve out of them, as opposed to an example of what they're like completely tweaked out but only a whale will ever see.
Don't they usually have constellations though in those?
If you're doing a quest in the world and a character joins you as a 5th party member, I think they usually have their C2, maybe even their C4. No C's in the actual test runs. For every other situation involving a trial character, they have this system in place where if you actually own the character and have C's on them, the trial version will have those C's as well.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Game apparently wants to get me back in, because I got Itto right after Wanderer
itto's charge attack is rather satisfying. it deals with so many things that are normally annoying, like floating spectres or enemies on the other sides of walls. he can really hit like a truck too.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
edited December 2022
I need them to buff Klee goddamnit
They haven't really done character reworks outside of like... Zhongli because the playerbase was a bunch of idiot pissbabies.
It's probably about time they tweak some characters.
It's probably about time they tweak some characters.
MHY just doesn't care about old stuff at all. If something breaks so players are doing 1000000000 damage per hit they'll fix that but anything that's crap or doesn't work properly will be ignored forever unless there's a new character with the same problem. I'd love them to take a look at Qiqi's constellations for example but I know they won't. Hoping for fixes for old characters is just wasted energy, sadly.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Having played their other game, this is sort of true but not completely true.
Old suits in Honkai generally get outdated after awhile, that said either via a new weapon that drastically alters their viability or an awakening upgrade that basically allows you to turn them into an entirely new suit, they have gone back to older characters and made them newly viable.
MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Actually my favorite recent addition to Honkai is a rogue-like mode that they periodically add new and old characters to, and that has given a number of outdated characters new viability even if it's only in that mode specifically.
(Working on ranking up Sixth Serenade, a truly terrible S rank suit, in preparation for her to be added to that game mode next patch)
Having played their other game, this is sort of true but not completely true.
Old suits in Honkai generally get outdated after awhile, that said either via a new weapon that drastically alters their viability or an awakening upgrade that basically allows you to turn them into an entirely new suit, they have gone back to older characters and made them newly viable.
Okay, maybe I should've said "Genshin devs" instead of MHY. It's pretty clear that the design philosophies aren't quite 1:1 between those two games.
That said, you are correct in that some new artifacts, weapons or other changes have made older units better. Albedo got both his BiS weapon and artifact set long after he launched, for example. Qiqi got Clam set. Keqing found new niche with dendro reactions etc. But that still doesn't change the fact they could also fix/buff old units without drastically changing the power balance but they just won't.
Yeah, one of the main bullet points in that article from a bit back was "Will you be buffing older characters?" and the answer was basically "No."
Genshin Impact is going into year two with an ever-expanding roster. Some older characters might get left behind as power creep settles in and newer characters become much stronger choices. Is there a plan in place to potentially upgrade older characters and make them more viable?
If a character is only assessed by a single dimension of numerical strength, power creep could indeed be an issue. However, in Genshin Impact, [the] rules of gameplay [are more impactful] than how strong a character is. Therefore, new battlegrounds, new challenge levels, or even new team builds, all have potential to bring new life to existing content.
"Power creep isn't real as long as we get to define what that means"
Considering Xinyan has been broken (in a bad way) since launch and they haven't bothered to ever fix her, I don't think they're ever going to touch old characters except to sell skins of them eventually.
The new event weapon seems really good for anyone driving reactions?
It has the same EM (and attack) as Iron Sting, I think, so pretty good yeah. And of course if you care about refinements, quite a bit easier to do that.
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ShadowfireVermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered Userregular
In most cases it won't matter that much if you use it or Iron Sting, mind, so if you already have a levelled IS might as well use that. The new one's passive won't really apply to a lot of the situations where you'd use the sword.
Weapon Banner is a trap. Avoid until you’re absolutely glutted on characters and just rolling to roll.
I recently got Tighnari, and if you have a Bow Billet, the Sumeru Crafted Bow is definitely oriented towards him. Most bow-users are also very happy with Stringless.
Prototype Crescent seems like it would be good on main DPS as well. Land a charged shot, get a speed and damage boost.
It needs to land on a weak point to work, which isn't something I would want to rely on. Tigh can actually use Slingshot pretty well as long as you can get him a shield so he can pretend to be a melee archer without getting knocked out of aim mode. Favonius is a decent choice as well - even if he doesn't really need that much ER, it's generic enough that you can always give it to some archer later on so the effort to level it up won't be wasted. Or you can craft the Sumeru bow if you've done the quests to get the schematic.
In other news, took my new umbrella for a spin and it looks great on Kazuha and the effect on proc is hilarious, a youkai face sticking its tongue at the target. Still need to kill about 234 samurai and do some farming tomorrow for the last weapon ascension material bits but got it to 80/80 and r4 already.
Mirkel on
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Ah yeah, I missed the bit about hitting a weak point.
if you've never rolled on the weapon banner, it's a good idea to do just 1 comedy-10 roll. sometimes your account has that beginners luck. wouldn't push past that tho
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My only weapon banner 5* is Staff of Homa, though it took more than 10 pulls to get. After getting that I figured my luck can only get worse and I've never pulled on the weapon banner since. Characters are way more fun than slightly bigger damage numbers.
I wouldn't say the weapon banner is a trap per say... but you need to know damn well what you're doing if you want to roll it. First off, assume the worst possible luck. So that's 80 rolls for an off banner 5*, then 80 for the banner 5* you don't want, and then finally 80 for the banner weapon you do want. That's 240 total wishes. Then remember that the Epitomized Path mechanic does not carry over between banners. That means you can very well roll 200 times, get an off banner weapon followed by a wrong weapon, and if you can't shore up the remaining wishes to hit the guarantee before the banner leaves... you've basically blown 200 wishes for next to nothing. You may not even have standard pity on the next banner. 200+ wishes is a fucking load, that's months of saving. And 180 will guarantee you a character.
So just make sure you know what you're doing. And if you're willing to gamble, you're prepared to live with the consequences if you lose. All this being said, a character's signature weapon is a ridiculous power boost. I don't know if I'd definitively say it's worth it, but it's never really not worth it either. It's just a far deeper and more punishing hole to go down.
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All this being said, a character's signature weapon is a ridiculous power boost. I don't know if I'd definitively say it's worth it, but it's never really not worth it either. It's just a far deeper and more punishing hole to go down.
i only tried once, with itto's weapon. i got fairly lucky getting r1 of it. but i wouldn't try again. it is pretty bonkers tho.
the epitomized path mechanic is so soul crushing that i never tried to plan on using it.
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Mostly it's just the wolves though. Bleed is annoying.
So this is where I sit with characters.
I'm trying to balance ease of getting Ascencion materials vs How much I enjoy playing them.
I enjoy Tigh, Scaramouch and Xingqui so far but I really need to just choose a Main!
Xingqiu is great, but he's off field completely. He wants to drop his wets and get out. Great unit, not a main. Same with Xiangling who is still the top pyro DPS, but is all off field. You're not using either of their auto attacks. The good news is the two of them would be a lot of fun with either Tighnari or Wanderer. You'll either be running a ton of Burgeon/Vape/Bloom reactions with Tighnari, or comical amounts of Swirl with Wanderer.
As for a fourth, Barbara might be nice for the extra Bloom, HP buff, and healing. I'm gonna throw an out of left field idea out with Thoma, too. His shields are quite good, and the burst gives more Burgeon chances, plus you get an ATK bonus for having two pyro characters in the party. You can always force feed yourself more sweet madame!
If you get her in the future, Kuki Shinobu would be a great fourth as well. Her E is both healing and damage around yourself, and she scales really well for Hyperbloom. But for now, focus on your mains and have fun with what you've got going. Plus next patch we should be able to pick a Liyue character during Lantern Rite, so Yaoyao or one of the other old characters there (or a constellation).
Anywho I'm going to go with ... bleh I want both Tigh and Wanderer! I may end up flipping a coin!
Tighnari, Xingqui, Xiangling, Thoma
or
Wanderer, Xingqui, Xiangling, Barbara
I'll flip a coin after watching this weeks Willow.
If I hadn't said it before, I really appreciate all the help everyone has given me. I am ready to just pick one and get working on my team.
Buffs based on which elements he swirls
The attacks do more damage and have a bigger AoE
When dodging, he fires four little wind arrow thingies that hit targets
Some of these might be hidden behind his 4* ascension, but he's got a lot going on in that E skill.
Putting a bunch of elements on enemies and going airborne and wiping them out felt like you were suddenly an attack helicopter.
Yelan is growing on me though.
He seems neat
I was only at 15 pity, though, so I did a couple 10 pulls on Itto's banner just because, got two Gorou's (Only C2 now, dang) and a Faruzan. I don't know how I do it, the only 4* I've missed on their banner (that I pulled for) was Yanfei back when she just came out. Since then, I've been a 4* magnet, getting one (occasionally more) from the rate-up whenever they first come out without fail. I gave her the first Ascension treatment for the Acquaint Fate but without Xiao or Wanderer (and little desire to get them or build Heizou, despite finding him fun) I don't think I'll mess with her beyond that.
Actually the funny thing about the trials is that everybody has their BiS artifact set, but not their weapon. They're all using 4* weapons. So if anything the trials are more of a representative of the power level the average player can achieve out of them, as opposed to an example of what they're like completely tweaked out but only a whale will ever see.
Don't they usually have constellations though in those?
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If you're doing a quest in the world and a character joins you as a 5th party member, I think they usually have their C2, maybe even their C4. No C's in the actual test runs. For every other situation involving a trial character, they have this system in place where if you actually own the character and have C's on them, the trial version will have those C's as well.
Can run that all Geo dream team now I guess
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They haven't really done character reworks outside of like... Zhongli because the playerbase was a bunch of idiot pissbabies.
It's probably about time they tweak some characters.
MHY just doesn't care about old stuff at all. If something breaks so players are doing 1000000000 damage per hit they'll fix that but anything that's crap or doesn't work properly will be ignored forever unless there's a new character with the same problem. I'd love them to take a look at Qiqi's constellations for example but I know they won't. Hoping for fixes for old characters is just wasted energy, sadly.
Old suits in Honkai generally get outdated after awhile, that said either via a new weapon that drastically alters their viability or an awakening upgrade that basically allows you to turn them into an entirely new suit, they have gone back to older characters and made them newly viable.
(Working on ranking up Sixth Serenade, a truly terrible S rank suit, in preparation for her to be added to that game mode next patch)
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Okay, maybe I should've said "Genshin devs" instead of MHY. It's pretty clear that the design philosophies aren't quite 1:1 between those two games.
That said, you are correct in that some new artifacts, weapons or other changes have made older units better. Albedo got both his BiS weapon and artifact set long after he launched, for example. Qiqi got Clam set. Keqing found new niche with dendro reactions etc. But that still doesn't change the fact they could also fix/buff old units without drastically changing the power balance but they just won't.
"Power creep isn't real as long as we get to define what that means"
Considering Xinyan has been broken (in a bad way) since launch and they haven't bothered to ever fix her, I don't think they're ever going to touch old characters except to sell skins of them eventually.
It has the same EM (and attack) as Iron Sting, I think, so pretty good yeah. And of course if you care about refinements, quite a bit easier to do that.
Kuki is pretty ideal for it, but I'm going to give it to Kazuha because it looks dumb and I love it.
Currently I own:
Favonious Warbow
Slingshot
Sharpshooter's oath
Messenger
Raven Bow
I don't like any of those for him, I think.
Should I throw some wishes at the Weapon Banner?
Craft? I only have Monstadt weapons unlocked I think. I need to check Liyue's blacksmith to confirm.
I recently got Tighnari, and if you have a Bow Billet, the Sumeru Crafted Bow is definitely oriented towards him. Most bow-users are also very happy with Stringless.
It needs to land on a weak point to work, which isn't something I would want to rely on. Tigh can actually use Slingshot pretty well as long as you can get him a shield so he can pretend to be a melee archer without getting knocked out of aim mode. Favonius is a decent choice as well - even if he doesn't really need that much ER, it's generic enough that you can always give it to some archer later on so the effort to level it up won't be wasted. Or you can craft the Sumeru bow if you've done the quests to get the schematic.
In other news, took my new umbrella for a spin and it looks great on Kazuha and the effect on proc is hilarious, a youkai face sticking its tongue at the target. Still need to kill about 234 samurai and do some farming tomorrow for the last weapon ascension material bits but got it to 80/80 and r4 already.
Domination -> BrunswickBeardcombe - SuperKudukuJazz
My first ever 10 pull on the standard wish got me Jean. Maybe that will continue.
So just make sure you know what you're doing. And if you're willing to gamble, you're prepared to live with the consequences if you lose. All this being said, a character's signature weapon is a ridiculous power boost. I don't know if I'd definitively say it's worth it, but it's never really not worth it either. It's just a far deeper and more punishing hole to go down.
I think I'll stick with 4* weapons.
i only tried once, with itto's weapon. i got fairly lucky getting r1 of it. but i wouldn't try again. it is pretty bonkers tho.
the epitomized path mechanic is so soul crushing that i never tried to plan on using it.
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