So how do you avoid these things in the future? Follow established procedures? Keep reputable and knowledge workers on staff? Baldwin has a different idea: have the cops do it.
Alec Baldwin thinks police officers could be best suited to help film and television productions monitor the safe use of weapons on sets.
"Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police officer on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety," Baldwin tweeted on Monday, his latest statement regarding on-set safety in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of his film "Rust."
This implies there aren't already numerous redundant procedures to prevent this, and thus ignores any culpability in circumventing those procedures.
Police are also notoriously unproficient with their guns
I'd bet my life on a private armorer before I trusted Sgt. Deskpop
Like, this morning I had more ammo sitting on this desk than most cops are required to qualify with in a year. Is SWAT going to do it?
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You definitely want Mr. "I shot him in the back cause I thought I pulled my taser" in charge of firearms.
I mean, I'm sure that's a very attractive idea for a producer. If there's one group that's good at managing accountability for what happens with firearms...
Notice I did not write "good at handling firearms securely" or "holding people handling firearms accountable".
Donald Trump has weighed in on the Rust shooting, and he is just as Donald Trump about it as you could imagine. Highlights include insinuations that Baldwin had something to do with it (beyond the obvious) and that he may have loaded the gun, himself, as well as several statements indicating that Trump has no clue how movie cameras, props, or production in general work.
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It probably has more to do with the fact that Baldwin spoofed Trump on SNL for the entire Trump presidency, and ultra petty Donald is going to take any opportunity to strike back.
Also, is this the thread to discuss the Astro World tragedy? Seems like a very similar case to the movie set incident where the venue dropped the ball and a mass casualty ensued.
Baldwin's suggestion isn't stupid from a perverse incentive sort of view.
If you have a cop on set who is responsible for gun safety, when there is an accident they are the ones liable for it not the production. And since Qualified Immunity is a thing, the production has basically created a situation where no matter what happens they don't really have to deal with the consequences. Sure someone may die, but the important thing is the movie people aren't the ones being blamed or questioned.
I imagine this is more an ignorant throwing things at the wall to see what sticks than an actual real proposal by Baldwin, but I can see how there might be some sociopathic 'fuck you got mine' self-preservation involved.
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I mean, he also just shot 2 people completely by accident, and probably has no idea on the actual procedures to prevent that happening, since they were not present at the film he is in/possibly responsible for.
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So how do you avoid these things in the future? Follow established procedures? Keep reputable and knowledge workers on staff? Baldwin has a different idea: have the cops do it.
Alec Baldwin thinks police officers could be best suited to help film and television productions monitor the safe use of weapons on sets.
"Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police officer on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety," Baldwin tweeted on Monday, his latest statement regarding on-set safety in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of his film "Rust."
This implies there aren't already numerous redundant procedures to prevent this, and thus ignores any culpability in circumventing those procedures.
"Lets have someone we don't need to pay do it."
This is an awful fucking take.
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So how do you avoid these things in the future? Follow established procedures? Keep reputable and knowledge workers on staff? Baldwin has a different idea: have the cops do it.
Alec Baldwin thinks police officers could be best suited to help film and television productions monitor the safe use of weapons on sets.
"Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police officer on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety," Baldwin tweeted on Monday, his latest statement regarding on-set safety in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of his film "Rust."
This implies there aren't already numerous redundant procedures to prevent this, and thus ignores any culpability in circumventing those procedures.
"Lets have someone we don't need to pay do it."
This is an awful fucking take.
And famously introducing police into non violent situations always goes well.
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Baldwin's suggestion isn't stupid from a perverse incentive sort of view.
If you have a cop on set who is responsible for gun safety, when there is an accident they are the ones liable for it not the production. And since Qualified Immunity is a thing, the production has basically created a situation where no matter what happens they don't really have to deal with the consequences. Sure someone may die, but the important thing is the movie people aren't the ones being blamed or questioned.
I imagine this is more an ignorant throwing things at the wall to see what sticks than an actual real proposal by Baldwin, but I can see how there might be some sociopathic 'fuck you got mine' self-preservation involved.
More likely that Baldwin is dumb and does not realize anything relating to that except “cops are good” and “cops have guns” and therefore “cops would be good stewards of guns”
It does solve at least one problem, a cop isn't going to take shit from a director/producer/etc in order to preserve their film career. "I don't care how some relatively inexperienced armorer ran this in the past, this is the procedure , you're going to follow it, and you have nothing to threaten me with to make it otherwise", that sort of thing.
Not saying it's a good idea overall, mind you. But Hollywood has shown us a lot of people keep quiet about a lot of horrible things in order to keep working.
It does solve at least one problem, a cop isn't going to take shit from a director/producer/etc in order to preserve their film career. "I don't care how some relatively inexperienced armorer ran this in the past, this is the procedure , you're going to follow it, and you have nothing to threaten me with to make it otherwise", that sort of thing.
Not saying it's a good idea overall, mind you. But Hollywood has shown us a lot of people keep quiet about a lot of horrible things in order to keep working.
You're imagining the cop to be qualified and incorruptible here and that's maybe not super accurate in most cases.
They need to take the hiring of all safety personnel out of the hands of the producers. Whether it’s decided by the Union or a new organization is set up to handle it, they need it organize it so that the contracts are with the organization, and the people in charge of enforcing/abiding by the regulations don’t have to worry about being blackballed if they put their foot down and piss off the wrong industry big shot.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
It does solve at least one problem, a cop isn't going to take shit from a director/producer/etc in order to preserve their film career. "I don't care how some relatively inexperienced armorer ran this in the past, this is the procedure , you're going to follow it, and you have nothing to threaten me with to make it otherwise", that sort of thing.
Not saying it's a good idea overall, mind you. But Hollywood has shown us a lot of people keep quiet about a lot of horrible things in order to keep working.
You're imagining the cop to be qualified and incorruptible here and that's maybe not super accurate in most cases.
Yeah, any officer we hire for set is off duty, we don't actually get to pick them the county/department does, and they're making just, like, waaay too much money to sit in the car and do "ITC" or Intermittent Traffic Control. And even then, it's a 30/70 shot they get out of the car and just chill with their buddies.
It does solve at least one problem, a cop isn't going to take shit from a director/producer/etc in order to preserve their film career. "I don't care how some relatively inexperienced armorer ran this in the past, this is the procedure , you're going to follow it, and you have nothing to threaten me with to make it otherwise", that sort of thing.
Not saying it's a good idea overall, mind you. But Hollywood has shown us a lot of people keep quiet about a lot of horrible things in order to keep working.
You're imagining the cop to be qualified and incorruptible here and that's maybe not super accurate in most cases.
Also, depending on the department, they might initially be assigned, but in all likelihood the studios/director/producer will request specific officers.
Meaning that cops who do take their job seriously, won't be requested by directors/producers who don't.
So it'd be pointless regulation. Well run operations won't need the extra expense. Badly run ones won't get any significant increase in safety as a result.
So how do you avoid these things in the future? Follow established procedures? Keep reputable and knowledge workers on staff? Baldwin has a different idea: have the cops do it.
Alec Baldwin thinks police officers could be best suited to help film and television productions monitor the safe use of weapons on sets.
"Every film/TV set that uses guns, fake or otherwise, should have a police officer on set, hired by the production, to specifically monitor weapons safety," Baldwin tweeted on Monday, his latest statement regarding on-set safety in the wake of the fatal shooting on the set of his film "Rust."
This implies there aren't already numerous redundant procedures to prevent this, and thus ignores any culpability in circumventing those procedures.
Police are also notoriously unproficient with their guns
I'd bet my life on a private armorer before I trusted Sgt. Deskpop
Like, this morning I had more ammo sitting on this desk than most cops are required to qualify with in a year. Is SWAT going to do it?
Cites at least 21 deaths by "accidental" police discharge, and hundreds of discharges in the last 10 years alone. Might as well put Yosemite Sam in charge of the armorer's guild.
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Cops are just about the last government agency I'd trust with firearm safety on a set.
First off, they will point their gun at fucking anything at the slightest nonexistent provocation. Second, it seems to be impossible to train them to be aware that people can be downrange from what they shoot at. Third, putting a cop on-set to watch the firearms would do nothing but put the movie crew at hugely increased risk of arrest, injury, or death for no other reason than a cop wanting to swing their figurative dick around.
Put cops in charge of firearms on movie sets and I doubt we'd even make it a year before some movie crew members ends up severely injured or dead via cop because they weren't willing to kiss cop ass. It would just massively increase the rate of firearm deaths on sets, only now the people causing them would claim qualified immunity.
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I mean, I assume that Baldwin is just Rich Old White Duding around for an answer.
I think we can all agree that cops being in charge of guns on set is one of the dumbest proposals to come out of this, so please lets not make this into another police brutality thread.
Cops - stupid with guns, and if there had been a cop in charge of guns for every movie / show we would almost certainly have had more than 2 firearm fatalities on set over the past 30 years.
Apparently they are now looking at the possibility that the live ammo on the Rust set was delivered mixed in with the dummy rounds by the supplier. Also, the warrant gives the reason that the armorer passed the gun to the AD rather than directly to Baldwin as due to COVID restrictions that generally barred her from interior sets.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
Apparently they are now looking at the possibility that the live ammo on the Rust set was delivered mixed in with the dummy rounds by the supplier. Also, the warrant gives the reason that the armorer passed the gun to the AD rather than directly to Baldwin as due to COVID restrictions that generally barred her from interior sets.
Apparently they are now looking at the possibility that the live ammo on the Rust set was delivered mixed in with the dummy rounds by the supplier. Also, the warrant gives the reason that the armorer passed the gun to the AD rather than directly to Baldwin as due to COVID restrictions that generally barred her from interior sets.
What. The. Fuck.
"Zachry told investigators that when she checked the ammo after the shooting she noted that some of the rounds in their collection "rattled" — which meant they were dummy rounds — and others didn't, according to the warrant."
Even if the supplier screwed up, it is the armorer's job to ensure that the dummy rounds are actually dummy rounds before handing off the gun.
Apparently they are now looking at the possibility that the live ammo on the Rust set was delivered mixed in with the dummy rounds by the supplier. Also, the warrant gives the reason that the armorer passed the gun to the AD rather than directly to Baldwin as due to COVID restrictions that generally barred her from interior sets.
What. The. Fuck.
"Zachry told investigators that when she checked the ammo after the shooting she noted that some of the rounds in their collection "rattled" — which meant they were dummy rounds — and others didn't, according to the warrant."
Even if the supplier screwed up, it is the armorer's job to ensure that the dummy rounds are actually dummy rounds before handing off the gun.
So she can check if it's a dummy by shaking it, and there's only six rounds for the gun... and she just didn't do that? ...how?
Maybe checked the first round. It rattled. Figures “this is definitely the dummy box and no one has had access to it” and loads the rest without shaking them.
Or dummies don't always rattle so it's not something that stands out unless you already suspect there might be live ammo and you would need to open it up to be sure.
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Or dummies don't always rattle so it's not something that stands out unless you already suspect there might be live ammo and you would need to open it up to be sure.
The rattle is added by sticking a BB in there specifically so you can distinguish it from a real round. This is a necessary feature for safety. The armorer should be checking each round for the rattle.
More than one person can be at fault. Of someone shipped live rounds that were supposed to be inert that's a major fuck up. Not checking is *also* a fuck up
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Maybe checked the first round. It rattled. Figures “this is definitely the dummy box and no one has had access to it” and loads the rest without shaking them.
That would be negligence
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It comes down to who loaded the gun, the armorer or the AD. Also why the fuck would anyone mix live and dummy rounds?
On some level the answer to this question is to remember how unbelievably stupid 50% of the population is normally. Most people lack any sort of critical thinking faculties or a basic ability to follow even slightly abstract cause and effect.
It comes down to who loaded the gun, the armorer or the AD. Also why the fuck would anyone mix live and dummy rounds?
The armorer loaded the gun in the presence of the props master, then locked it in the safe during the lunch break. After lunch, she took the gun out of the safe and gave it to the AD. Per his earlier story, she opened the loading gate and rotated the cylinder so he could also check the rounds, but he can’t recall if he saw more than 4 of the 6. He then gave the gun to Baldwin, declaring it was cold.
Basically, there was negligence at just about every step, because everyone, including the armorer and props master, assumed the person above them on the chain had done their job.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
In another interview, Baldwin has said he did not pull the trigger. For the gun users here, how stable is old ammo, and how quickly, if at all, does it degrade?
To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
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In another interview, Baldwin has said he did not pull the trigger. For the gun users here, how stable is old ammo, and how quickly, if at all, does it degrade?
To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
Generally speaking not quickly at all. Most modern production ammo is made to pretty solid specifications and as long as moisture doesn't enter the main chamber where the powder is or the Primer Pocket, rounds can be stored for quite some time with no degradation in performance. Moisture is the big enemy however, that's why you'll often see older military surplus ammo "lacquered" where some kind of sealant is applied both at the base of the around the primer pocket and near the mouth of the case where the bullet is seated to prevent moisture from getting in there. The downside of course is that this lacquer will rapidly increase fouling in the weapon, so you only really see this on old milsurp ammo and no where else.
In another interview, Baldwin has said he did not pull the trigger. For the gun users here, how stable is old ammo, and how quickly, if at all, does it degrade?
To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
Not a 'gun person' but I have fired some handguns and rifles in my time. My uncle had a revolver that as a child I remember having such a light trigger that if you weren't careful with you could discharge it if you put your finger on the trigger and squeezed even a tiny bit.
For not a gun person I can see how you'd say, "but I never pulled the trigger!" but bullets don't just spontaneously decide to explode. Movies always make it seem like some big click jerking motion to fire a gun, which is the opposite of how you're supposed to shoot - "Squeeze, don't pull. Aim small, miss small. Don't anticipate recoil, relax." is what I was always told. I always assumed along with never pointing a weapon at anything I don't want to shoot was just basic stuff. It's been a while, maybe I'm wrong in the exact phrasing.
Edit: I guess I'm saying he might even believe he didn't pull the trigger, but I think he probably did.
It is possible that Baldwin didn't pull the trigger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=155&v=ldHPNnsp-cs
People only load 5 rounds in single action guns because they can go off without pulling the trigger if they don't add the modern design of a safety bar.
In another interview, Baldwin has said he did not pull the trigger. For the gun users here, how stable is old ammo, and how quickly, if at all, does it degrade?
To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
Generally speaking not quickly at all. Most modern production ammo is made to pretty solid specifications and as long as moisture doesn't enter the main chamber where the powder is or the Primer Pocket, rounds can be stored for quite some time with no degradation in performance. Moisture is the big enemy however, that's why you'll often see older military surplus ammo "lacquered" where some kind of sealant is applied both at the base of the around the primer pocket and near the mouth of the case where the bullet is seated to prevent moisture from getting in there. The downside of course is that this lacquer will rapidly increase fouling in the weapon, so you only really see this on old milsurp ammo and no where else.
It sounds like these were old reloads (they used the term recycled rounds), not production.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
In another interview, Baldwin has said he did not pull the trigger. For the gun users here, how stable is old ammo, and how quickly, if at all, does it degrade?
To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
Some revolvers, particularly older ones like he was likely using can be fired by pulling the hammer slightly back and letting it drop forward.
I was taught if you are carrying one in the woods-where if could snag on a brush or such- to have the cylinder under the hammer be empty.
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Police are also notoriously unproficient with their guns
I'd bet my life on a private armorer before I trusted Sgt. Deskpop
Like, this morning I had more ammo sitting on this desk than most cops are required to qualify with in a year. Is SWAT going to do it?
I mean, I'm sure that's a very attractive idea for a producer. If there's one group that's good at managing accountability for what happens with firearms...
It probably has more to do with the fact that Baldwin spoofed Trump on SNL for the entire Trump presidency, and ultra petty Donald is going to take any opportunity to strike back.
Also, is this the thread to discuss the Astro World tragedy? Seems like a very similar case to the movie set incident where the venue dropped the ball and a mass casualty ensued.
If you have a cop on set who is responsible for gun safety, when there is an accident they are the ones liable for it not the production. And since Qualified Immunity is a thing, the production has basically created a situation where no matter what happens they don't really have to deal with the consequences. Sure someone may die, but the important thing is the movie people aren't the ones being blamed or questioned.
I imagine this is more an ignorant throwing things at the wall to see what sticks than an actual real proposal by Baldwin, but I can see how there might be some sociopathic 'fuck you got mine' self-preservation involved.
"Lets have someone we don't need to pay do it."
This is an awful fucking take.
And famously introducing police into non violent situations always goes well.
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More likely that Baldwin is dumb and does not realize anything relating to that except “cops are good” and “cops have guns” and therefore “cops would be good stewards of guns”
Not saying it's a good idea overall, mind you. But Hollywood has shown us a lot of people keep quiet about a lot of horrible things in order to keep working.
You're imagining the cop to be qualified and incorruptible here and that's maybe not super accurate in most cases.
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Yeah, any officer we hire for set is off duty, we don't actually get to pick them the county/department does, and they're making just, like, waaay too much money to sit in the car and do "ITC" or Intermittent Traffic Control. And even then, it's a 30/70 shot they get out of the car and just chill with their buddies.
Also, depending on the department, they might initially be assigned, but in all likelihood the studios/director/producer will request specific officers.
Meaning that cops who do take their job seriously, won't be requested by directors/producers who don't.
So it'd be pointless regulation. Well run operations won't need the extra expense. Badly run ones won't get any significant increase in safety as a result.
https://www.insider.com/police-wrongly-discharge-their-weapons-more-often-than-you-think-2021-4
Cites at least 21 deaths by "accidental" police discharge, and hundreds of discharges in the last 10 years alone. Might as well put Yosemite Sam in charge of the armorer's guild.
First off, they will point their gun at fucking anything at the slightest nonexistent provocation. Second, it seems to be impossible to train them to be aware that people can be downrange from what they shoot at. Third, putting a cop on-set to watch the firearms would do nothing but put the movie crew at hugely increased risk of arrest, injury, or death for no other reason than a cop wanting to swing their figurative dick around.
Put cops in charge of firearms on movie sets and I doubt we'd even make it a year before some movie crew members ends up severely injured or dead via cop because they weren't willing to kiss cop ass. It would just massively increase the rate of firearm deaths on sets, only now the people causing them would claim qualified immunity.
Like where does that brain train go? “Cops have guns, therefore, cops are the best judge of gun safety?”
Like mother of god Baldwin didn’t we just have an incident where a cop couple got into a fight and one of them fucking shot the other during it?
Cops - stupid with guns, and if there had been a cop in charge of guns for every movie / show we would almost certainly have had more than 2 firearm fatalities on set over the past 30 years.
Apparently they are now looking at the possibility that the live ammo on the Rust set was delivered mixed in with the dummy rounds by the supplier. Also, the warrant gives the reason that the armorer passed the gun to the AD rather than directly to Baldwin as due to COVID restrictions that generally barred her from interior sets.
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What. The. Fuck.
"Zachry told investigators that when she checked the ammo after the shooting she noted that some of the rounds in their collection "rattled" — which meant they were dummy rounds — and others didn't, according to the warrant."
Even if the supplier screwed up, it is the armorer's job to ensure that the dummy rounds are actually dummy rounds before handing off the gun.
So she can check if it's a dummy by shaking it, and there's only six rounds for the gun... and she just didn't do that? ...how?
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The rattle is added by sticking a BB in there specifically so you can distinguish it from a real round. This is a necessary feature for safety. The armorer should be checking each round for the rattle.
On some level the answer to this question is to remember how unbelievably stupid 50% of the population is normally. Most people lack any sort of critical thinking faculties or a basic ability to follow even slightly abstract cause and effect.
In ANY situation!!!
The armorer loaded the gun in the presence of the props master, then locked it in the safe during the lunch break. After lunch, she took the gun out of the safe and gave it to the AD. Per his earlier story, she opened the loading gate and rotated the cylinder so he could also check the rounds, but he can’t recall if he saw more than 4 of the 6. He then gave the gun to Baldwin, declaring it was cold.
Basically, there was negligence at just about every step, because everyone, including the armorer and props master, assumed the person above them on the chain had done their job.
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To some extent I can understand how this happened. It was negligent, but from everything I’ve read, being delivered live rounds mixed in with the dummies is like getting a piranha in your tank of tropical fish.
- John Stuart Mill
Generally speaking not quickly at all. Most modern production ammo is made to pretty solid specifications and as long as moisture doesn't enter the main chamber where the powder is or the Primer Pocket, rounds can be stored for quite some time with no degradation in performance. Moisture is the big enemy however, that's why you'll often see older military surplus ammo "lacquered" where some kind of sealant is applied both at the base of the around the primer pocket and near the mouth of the case where the bullet is seated to prevent moisture from getting in there. The downside of course is that this lacquer will rapidly increase fouling in the weapon, so you only really see this on old milsurp ammo and no where else.
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Not a 'gun person' but I have fired some handguns and rifles in my time. My uncle had a revolver that as a child I remember having such a light trigger that if you weren't careful with you could discharge it if you put your finger on the trigger and squeezed even a tiny bit.
For not a gun person I can see how you'd say, "but I never pulled the trigger!" but bullets don't just spontaneously decide to explode. Movies always make it seem like some big click jerking motion to fire a gun, which is the opposite of how you're supposed to shoot - "Squeeze, don't pull. Aim small, miss small. Don't anticipate recoil, relax." is what I was always told. I always assumed along with never pointing a weapon at anything I don't want to shoot was just basic stuff. It's been a while, maybe I'm wrong in the exact phrasing.
Edit: I guess I'm saying he might even believe he didn't pull the trigger, but I think he probably did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=155&v=ldHPNnsp-cs
People only load 5 rounds in single action guns because they can go off without pulling the trigger if they don't add the modern design of a safety bar.
It sounds like these were old reloads (they used the term recycled rounds), not production.
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Some revolvers, particularly older ones like he was likely using can be fired by pulling the hammer slightly back and letting it drop forward.
I was taught if you are carrying one in the woods-where if could snag on a brush or such- to have the cylinder under the hammer be empty.
e: coinage's video explains this really well if you can't follow the lingo.