As was foretold, we've added advertisements to the forums! If you have questions, or if you encounter any bugs, please visit this thread: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/240191/forum-advertisement-faq-and-reports-thread/

🖥️🎮 - Date Night Bowling & Len's Island out today!

2456767

Posts

  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    If you kill a bot invader they'll stop invading you in that spot, and there's often some additional drops they have a chance to give you, so you might want to try to kill that guy.

    Isn't there just a setting in the game to not connect to the internet?

    Speed RacerKristmas Kthulhu
  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    The one I'm thinking of is Maneater Mildred down in blight town but there's at least 1 or 2 more

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    You don’t get invaded by players if you are hollow and haven’t done the two things that make you a target for invaders in specific zones.

    Twitch Channel
    Steam: munkus_beaver
    Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process.
    http://www.ccfa.org/
    cB557
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Maneater Mildred and Knight Kirk are two of the earliest/easiest to run into NPC invasions

    BahamutZERO.gif
    Kristmas KthulhuTamincB557
  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    The bot was called like yellow finger, or something. I managed to kill him. But then I got to a new boss with like two twin dudes in the swamp thing and they kicked my ass and I think I just need to take a break from the game for a bit.

    Prohass on
  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited October 31
    oh which dark souls is this... 3

    yeah Yellowfinger Heysel is an NPC invasion, that'll happen no matter what until you kill them (or you're not in human form I guess? I don't remember if that stops NPC invasions in 3)

    BahamutZERO on
    BahamutZERO.gif
  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Nah you don't get npc invasions if your hollow in 3.

    bnet: TheStig#1787 Steam: TheStig
    cB557
  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    I just played through the first episode of Project Warlock, a game I bought a while ago and didn't really get into it until now.

    It's neat! Fun retro-lookin' boomer shooter, though there are definitely a few glaring flaws (not being able to save during a level being the biggest one). Looking at Project Warlock 2 they seem to have gotten the point though:

    4gz78ygid9xh.png

    Kristmas KthulhuIolo
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Oh you’re not talking about dark souls? You mean dark souls 3?

    Yeah, never played that game, ignore everything I said

    Twitch Channel
    Steam: munkus_beaver
    Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process.
    http://www.ccfa.org/
    Prohass
  • PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    Psychonauts 2 ruuuuled. Perfect game length and enough loose ends for fun speculation and maybe a third one? Not everything needs to be a trilogy, of course, but I wouldn't say no to more adventures with Raz.

    Karoz
  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Oh you’re not talking about dark souls? You mean dark souls 3?

    Yeah, never played that game, ignore everything I said
    Yeah sorry was playing 3. I’ve played 1 and 2 ages ago so forgot about the whole bots invading you thing. Also I forgot you could burn those bone items to upgrade your flask recovery, so been basically playing on hard mode the whole time

  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    ok so Inscryption made me feel in the mood for.. either things that present as one thing but turn out to be something else, or the general genre of "x but with sinister overtones" so I grabbed Doki Doki Literature Club and...
    I was wrong, I wasnt ready for this, I just want things to go back to how they were

    Dee KaeDonnictonKristmas KthulhuKwoaruBrolodurandal4532JedocIoloTrajan45Shadowfire3cl1ps3shoeboxjeddyHappy Little MachineKarozdjmitchella
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    I just played through the first episode of Project Warlock, a game I bought a while ago and didn't really get into it until now.

    It's neat! Fun retro-lookin' boomer shooter, though there are definitely a few glaring flaws (not being able to save during a level being the biggest one). Looking at Project Warlock 2 they seem to have gotten the point though:

    4gz78ygid9xh.png

    No save states?

    97H9G7S.png PSN - Masked Unit | FFXIV - Laitarne Gilgamesh
  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    I just played through the first episode of Project Warlock, a game I bought a while ago and didn't really get into it until now.

    It's neat! Fun retro-lookin' boomer shooter, though there are definitely a few glaring flaws (not being able to save during a level being the biggest one). Looking at Project Warlock 2 they seem to have gotten the point though:

    4gz78ygid9xh.png
    I really, really enjoyed Project Warlock, the guns feel delightful. The lack of in-level saving didn't really bother me much, since none of the levels are more than 5-10 minutes long and the game isn't really difficult enough to require restarts often.

    Kristmas KthulhuMorivethOlivaw
  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Oh you’re not talking about dark souls? You mean dark souls 3?

    Yeah, never played that game, ignore everything I said
    Yeah sorry was playing 3. I’ve played 1 and 2 ages ago so forgot about the whole bots invading you thing. Also I forgot you could burn those bone items to upgrade your flask recovery, so been basically playing on hard mode the whole time
    Okay yeah basically everything we said still applies, but instead of humanity it's being embered that lets you get invaded.
    And yeah if it's Yellowfinger Heysel that's invading you, the dude with the crossbow and the pick and the sorceries and the cool hat, that's an NPC, and she's definitely a bit of a motherfucker to fight. She does drop her hat and pick if you kill her though, and that pick can be pretty handy for sorcerers.

  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!

    ouxsemmi8rm9.png

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!

    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen

    97H9G7S.png PSN - Masked Unit | FFXIV - Laitarne Gilgamesh
  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!

    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen

    Oh that wasn't id?

    fake edit: oh, Raven...do they still exist

    ouxsemmi8rm9.png

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!

    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen
    Heretic has received three sequels: Hexen: Beyond Heretic, Hexen II, and Heretic II. Following ZeniMax Media's acquisition of id Software, the rights to the series have been disputed between both id and Raven Software; Raven's parent company Activision holds the developing rights, while id holds the publishing rights to the first three games.[15]

    yeah I think I'd/Bethesda would need to license from Activision to do it

    I doubt Activision has any active plans to use that IP though, they tend to just sit on a lot of their classic PC games licenses from non-blizzard studios

    el_vicio
  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    So, the thing that makes it complicated is that id Software did publish them back in the day, but they were developed by Raven, and as an outsider there's not a real good way to figure out where the IP landed, necessarily

    97H9G7S.png PSN - Masked Unit | FFXIV - Laitarne Gilgamesh
    el_vicio
  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Ah well. Quake's good, too

    ouxsemmi8rm9.png

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular


    Sunshine Manor launch trailer Sunshine Manor is an 8-bit blood-soaked Horror RPG that pits you as Ada. Dared to spend the night in the haunted Sunshine Manor she encounters ghosts, demons, blood-soaked horror and more in this prequel to 2016's Camp Sunshine.

    20211031 Sunshine Manor (Action Adventure Indie Singleplayer 2D )

    IolocB557
  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    So, I guess "New World" isn't client-authoritative? https://www.pcgamer.com/new-world-is-not-client-authoritative-amazon-says/

  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    edited October 31
    Delduwath wrote: »
    So, I guess "New World" isn't client-authoritative? https://www.pcgamer.com/new-world-is-not-client-authoritative-amazon-says/

    They're also claiming that truth of an assertion is determined server-side.

    Prolegomena on
  • PeewiPeewi I'm a cube now Registered User regular
    Delduwath wrote: »
    So, I guess "New World" isn't client-authoritative? https://www.pcgamer.com/new-world-is-not-client-authoritative-amazon-says/

    Even if it isn't, the other problems we've heard about are still pretty bad.

    Switch: SW-6132-4331-5349 || Steam profile
    Nz3ekNM.png
    GvzbgulFencingsax
  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited October 31
    Delduwath wrote: »
    So, I guess "New World" isn't client-authoritative? https://www.pcgamer.com/new-world-is-not-client-authoritative-amazon-says/


    Story time about the history of New World’s networking architecture.

    Some time before I joined Amazon in 2016, Amazon Games “bought” CryEngine. They then built two competing internal engines on top of it, one that would become Lumberyard, and one that the games teams used.



    The reason for the two forks is that Lumberyard was replacing basically all of CryEngine (which was terrible) with new code, but the games teams needed to get to work building games, so Crucible, New World, and Breakaway used some existing code that Double Helix had.

    This existing code, called GameCore, had never been shipped and was built for another game, and used the CryEngine networking as its bottom layer, but then built some replication logic on top of it. And yes, it was client authoritative.

    GameCore’s networking was a trash fire. I swam around in it once to try to fix a bug, and I don’t remember any specifics but I do remember thinking that just about everything they did was the most complex way they could have done it.

    Like I’m pretty sure somewhere in the networking loop they had a recursive graph search through entities to resolve some dependency.

    Anyway there was a fourth game team that you probably dont know about codenamed Nova. They were eventually canceled, but they didn’t use GameCore.

    They saw that GameCore would be difficult to build on so they semi-secretly built their own entity system and networking layer, using Cry/Yard as just a rendering layer. As far as networking layers go, Nova’s was pretty good

    Not only was it server authoritative but it could support shafted servers, where each server would be responsible for a given geographic area but could still tell its clients about entities in other servers/areas. They did this because they had a very large world.

    Anyway they were canceled, but they had built some pretty cool tech, and so some people on Nova went off in search of another team to adopt their code. Crucible was having a lot of problems with GameCore and it’s client authoritative model, so they adopted Nova’s code.

    Crucible spent about a year and a half rebuilding the entire game under NovaNet. Artists worked on another branch the whole time and designers had basically nothing to do for a year.

    New World was faced with the decision of whether to move to NovaNet. I wasn’t on New World so I don’t know the details but I don’t really blame them that they decided not to share Crucible’s pain.

    New World had already rebuilt their game from scratch once (it was originally less an MMO and more Rust-like) and by all rights Crucible should have been canceled rather than rebuilt. I mean, before it was actually canceled lol

    When faced with a choice between spending millions delaying the game for another year or two vs accepting client authoritative bugs, it’s easy to say “ok let’s just be very careful!”

    The root cause of the problem here has nothing to do with any decisions that anyone currently on New World made. They’re doing the best they can with the cards they were dealt, and it looks like they’re doing a good job.

    The root cause (my personal view) is that when AGS was new leadership, who had little experience in games, had no experience of the risks of choosing bad tech to build games off of and didn’t get their technology or listen to warnings of seniors and principals.

    It’s been rehashed a lot but it mostly comes down on Mike Frazzini, VP of Games. His attitude was that we could invent our way out of the problems of those codebases iteratively. It’s an attitude that works in the micro services world of AWS, but not in games.

    A story about how clueless Fraz was about this topic: we were at a Friday beer party around the time Crucible was adopting NovaNet and Fraz was excited about it, and told me something like: “this is very cool tech! It has a big new value proposition!”

    Seemed like was considering spinning NovaNet out into a new product or something. I wanted to say, “Mr Frazzini, there’s nothing in NovaNet that hasn’t existed since QuakeWorld in 1997” but I looked at our studio director, a very smart guy, and he said nothing. So I smiled.

    So anyway the answer to “how does a multi billion dollar company making games in 2021 write client authoritative code” is “Game development: it’s very complicated.” Please be kind to and patient with the New World team, they’ve been trying to fix this problem for like 8 years.

    To be clear, when I said their code is client-authoritative that was a bit inaccurate. They built their game on an engine that *allows* client-authoritative code to be written, but (I'm sure) they are writing their code server-authoritatively. But sometimes mistakes are made.

    That's different from if your networking architecture doesn't allow for any client-authoritative code to be written unless you jump over a ton of hurdles, which is how NovaNet (and QuakeWorld/Half-Life/Source/etc) worked.

    I should also say that the New World team worked on their networking stack for a *long time* between when I saw it and when they shipped, and I'm 100% sure that it's way better than the code that I saw. I wouldn't be surprised if the GameCore netcode was completely replaced.

    Dear New World community team: I'm so sorry I didn't realize this thread would get so big. Hope I didn't make your jobs harder

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1453756798025011206.html

    Brolo on
    ShadowfireMaddocGlal3cl1ps3Munkus BeaverCrippl3shoeboxjeddyDonnictondurandal4532FencingsaxOlivawsarukunSorce
  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    There is an extremely specific spot or spots where bots invade and I can’t remember where.

    the two most common are the big cliff before nito, and the swamp part of blight town

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    also, on your first time through, if you want to stay online, I suggest you join the Way of the White covenant with Petrus in firelink

    the short explanation is it makes you much less likely to be invaded and more likely to find helpful summon signs

  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!
    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen
    Oh that wasn't id?

    fake edit: oh, Raven...do they still exist
    They do, they are chained deep in the Call of Duty mines, never to see the light of day again.

    PeewiBionicPenguin
  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!
    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen
    Oh that wasn't id?

    fake edit: oh, Raven...do they still exist
    They do, they are chained deep in the Call of Duty mines, never to see the light of day again.

    so pretty much the same as being dead

  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Zxerol wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Apparently there are Bethesda job listings regarding "the development of a long-running iconic action FPS", "sci-fi and fantasy environments"

    So, Quake? Or could it finally be...Hexen!
    Not sure Bethesda owns the rights to Heretic/Hexen
    Oh that wasn't id?

    fake edit: oh, Raven...do they still exist
    They do, they are chained deep in the Call of Duty mines, never to see the light of day again.

    so pretty much the same as being dead

    Yeah, and they long for death

    zeHjgKv.png
    BahamutZEROGlal
  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Paid Fer-de-lance work? Wow working in videogames is more dangerous than I thought.

    JacobkoshJedoc3cl1ps3TofystedethOlivawcB557DisruptedCapitalistsarukunMortal Sky
  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Paid Fer-de-lance work? Wow working in videogames is more dangerous than I thought.

    s0N1gwul.jpg

    yeah you gotta watch out for those German M'Fers

    SageinaRageFencingsaxHacksaw
  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Martel-de-fer and fer-de-lance sound like things the Swedish Chef from the Muppets would say

    Crippl3Munkus BeaverProhassFencingsaxOlivawcB557MidniteUndead ScottsmansarukunMysst
  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    martel de fer literally means hammer of iron

    rolo played diablo 2 and remembered it from there I bet, that nerd

    TheStigTofystedethOlivawcB557sarukunWeedLordVegetaMortal SkyHacksaw
  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Yeah, what a nerd.

    *discreetly hides three ring binder of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe opened to Fer-de-Lance*

    steam_sig.png
    FishmanFencingsaxcB557
  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited October 31
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    martel de fer literally means hammer of iron

    rolo played diablo 2 and remembered it from there I bet, that nerd

    hey wow how dare you

    I actually remembered it from the mount and blade 0.74 beta because it was the best Swadian blunt weapon, which was great if you wanted to capture troops and sell them for profit

    you know, like a cool guy would

    Brolo on
    cB557Brovid HasselsmofCrippl3WeedLordVegeta
  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    also I've always enjoyed how in videogames you can use a Warhammer to cave someone's skull in, but because it isn't an edged weapon, it will never be lethal

Sign In or Register to comment.