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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Wait, Hogger isn't in the game yet? I swear I saw that character announced like a year ago or something.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Wait, Hogger isn't in the game yet? I swear I saw that character announced like a year ago or something.

    MMMig's dates are from 2020. You can tell because the "Hogger was announced" date hasn't happened yet this year :P

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    See, this is the point, with the thread teetering on the edge of Page 3, that I would historically jump in and say something hyperbolic and controversial to bait conversation. I figure, even if people are only posting to call me an asshole, at least they're posting; at least they're still being passionate about HotS.

    But I promised to dial that back, so now my bumps are a lot less interesting.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    See, this is the point, with the thread teetering on the edge of Page 3, that I would historically jump in and say something hyperbolic and controversial to bait conversation. I figure, even if people are only posting to call me an asshole, at least they're posting; at least they're still being passionate about HotS.

    But I promised to dial that back, so now my bumps are a lot less interesting.

    The value of this thread is not that it's on page one of G&T. It's okay for things to be slow sometimes, often even. We don't need to be negative for the sole purpose of trying to make ourselves relevant or whatever.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Damn it, Whelk.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Turning the hots thread into a class for twitch slang is the true sign only boomers play this game game

    Speaking of... are weekend and holiday hots still things? Or have the young'uns moved on to bigger, better things?

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Turning the hots thread into a class for twitch slang is the true sign only boomers play this game game

    Speaking of... are weekend and holiday hots still things? Or have the young'uns moved on to bigger, better things?

    I haven't played HotS in a hot minute but Apex and Fortnite are all the rage with The Youth these days

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Turning the hots thread into a class for twitch slang is the true sign only boomers play this game game

    Speaking of... are weekend and holiday hots still things? Or have the young'uns moved on to bigger, better things?

    They are super still a thing. Game quality drops dramatically

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Damn it, Whelk.

    I'm sorry!

    Wait, what'd I do?

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

    All abathur brawl

    Let’s go

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

    While I mostly play SL, I'll hop into QM with the wife every once in a while. And I shit you not, 90% of my QM games contain a Aba. It's so frustrating because the game changes from 5v5 wackiness to a very different and specific game. Ruins the experience for me every time.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

    While I mostly play SL, I'll hop into QM with the wife every once in a while. And I shit you not, 90% of my QM games contain a Aba. It's so frustrating because the game changes from 5v5 wackiness to a very different and specific game. Ruins the experience for me every time.

    I'm not even against Aba, but every game is a bit much, yeah. QM is wacky

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

    All abathur brawl

    Let’s go

    Aba has the potential for a really whacky and fun custom like pool party.

    Like if he's given some armor while in cocoon, and some fun interactions with burrow and the copy ult.

    Heck they could have made his dance do crit dmg as well.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited November 21
    Or maybe a tower defense tug of war with waves of low-hp a-move melee heroes clashing and you can hat them to help your wave push, and use your copy ult for big pushes or something.

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  • dav3ybdav3yb Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Maybe a week before the servers shut down they'll delete Abby and Genji from the game.

    Give us a perfect golden week.

    While I mostly play SL, I'll hop into QM with the wife every once in a while. And I shit you not, 90% of my QM games contain a Aba. It's so frustrating because the game changes from 5v5 wackiness to a very different and specific game. Ruins the experience for me every time.

    Ever get that guy, I think his name is Bear or something, that just sits at base, hats the core, and AFK's all game? he might only do that in AI games, but his account level was like 900, and 95% of that was Abathur levels, i don't think any other hero was 15.

    Anyways, I've been having a terrible time in ARAM. Mainly people just refusing to take things we actually need. I did learn that Anna's Eye of Horus hit's structures. It was fun killing a 1% core from the safety of my fountain.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Whelk wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Damn it, Whelk.

    I'm sorry!

    Wait, what'd I do?

    Sega gave you a hint.

    There's still time to correct your ways.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah I think a big problem with hots comes from QM being the default game state and the game being horribly designed for QM

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Yeah I think a big problem with hots comes from QM being the default game state and the game being horribly designed for QM

    Except for those glorious two weeks where they enforced reasonable team compositions in QM...

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    They should get rid of unranked and do "draft qm" where they enforce those composition rules in QM.

    Sure queue times would be high, but then everyone will realize how much better those games are and boom.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    QM change:

    Players get into a the match and see the map. They then have 15 seconds to all choose a hero without seeing the enemy comp.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    QM is just a bad mode. "I have selected this hero and I will be playing it regardless" is nice and all but Jesus Christ.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    QM is just a bad mode. "I have selected this hero and I will be playing it regardless" is nice and all but Jesus Christ.

    Isn't draft the same thing half the time, except it's an extra 6 minutes prepended to every game?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Draft you get to see a comp, the map, and your teammates. You can also ban certain heroes or counterpick.

    I basically never see Abathur/Nova/Zera in draft modes. But in QM they are a dime a dozen.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    QM change:

    Players get into a the match and see the map. They then have 15 seconds to all choose a hero without seeing the enemy comp.

    Feels like they'll still just pick what they want and not care about map / allies.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    QM change:

    Players get into a the match and see the map. They then have 15 seconds to all choose a hero without seeing the enemy comp.

    Feels like they'll still just pick what they want and not care about map / allies.

    True, but at least I can see what my teammates are taking and adjust my pick accordingly.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    Unranked Draft should have been the default game mode on release. I've had a lot of fun in QM over the years, but the fact that ARAM is literally and unquestionably the more balanced game type is ... well, frankly it's sad lol.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    edited November 22
    MMMig wrote: »
    Feels like they'll still just pick what they want and not care about map / allies.
    MNC Dover wrote:
    True, but at least I can see what my teammates are taking and adjust my pick accordingly.

    You're both right. Sometimes, you're just going to have a teammate that's unwilling or unable to change their pick. It sucks, but the rest of the team can typically still adjust. You see this kind of stuff in ARAM all the time -- everyone seems to be on the same page about the comp, then someone picks a character that, for whatever reason, just completely sticks out, and everyone else either just rolls with the punch or scrambles to adjust accordingly.

    Either way, that kind of system -- the literal ARAM system -- is so much healthier overall, and less toxic, and more teamplay focused, and also considerate of the fact that most people who play HotS just want to brawl anyway, that having QM be the default gametype is laughably negligent in hindsight.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Hey look, my allies went ahead and got incorporated!!

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    As expected, it wasn't very good. ^^'

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah it’s not a coincidence that when I log into hots nowadays it’s to ARAM. QM is so bad.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    I'm telling you, you don't need to draft. You can let people pick what they want. Just, behind the scenes, makes sure the comps are reasonable. It makes the queue slightly longer but it still gets you in a game faster than the draft modes

    Caving to people complaining about that and removing it was a horrible decision

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    kime wrote: »
    I'm telling you, you don't need to draft. You can let people pick what they want. Just, behind the scenes, makes sure the comps are reasonable. It makes the queue slightly longer but it still gets you in a game faster than the draft modes

    Caving to people complaining about that and removing it was a horrible decision

    There are a couple of solutions to the problem.

    One is hard limiting roles for queuing. This seems most basic and they have done it….then rolled it back.

    Two is to just like, put people into a lobby and let them pick their heroes on the map after they ban two heroes per team. Everyone picks together, but you get to see the map and what everyone else is rolling.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    I'm telling you, you don't need to draft. You can let people pick what they want. Just, behind the scenes, makes sure the comps are reasonable. It makes the queue slightly longer but it still gets you in a game faster than the draft modes

    Caving to people complaining about that and removing it was a horrible decision

    There are a couple of solutions to the problem.

    One is hard limiting roles for queuing. This seems most basic and they have done it….then rolled it back.

    Two is to just like, put people into a lobby and let them pick their heroes on the map after they ban two heroes per team. Everyone picks together, but you get to see the map and what everyone else is rolling.

    The second option has a good chance to just get you the same problem though. Half the reason people play QM is because they don't want to pick their hero to fit the comp, they want to spam squishy assassins. And they don't want them banned!

    The problem with QM is not that you don't see what map you are on.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 22
    kime wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    I'm telling you, you don't need to draft. You can let people pick what they want. Just, behind the scenes, makes sure the comps are reasonable. It makes the queue slightly longer but it still gets you in a game faster than the draft modes

    Caving to people complaining about that and removing it was a horrible decision

    There are a couple of solutions to the problem.

    One is hard limiting roles for queuing. This seems most basic and they have done it….then rolled it back.

    Two is to just like, put people into a lobby and let them pick their heroes on the map after they ban two heroes per team. Everyone picks together, but you get to see the map and what everyone else is rolling.

    The second option has a good chance to just get you the same problem though. Half the reason people play QM is because they don't want to pick their hero to fit the comp, they want to spam squishy assassins. And they don't want them banned!

    The problem with QM is not that you don't see what map you are on.

    It is a problem. When I queue for a match wanting to try out hero that does macro real well and I get a two lane map it’s frustrating.

    Or may I want a teamfight hero and we get fuckin warhead junction

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    I wonder if a apex legends style “for the next 10/20/30 minutes, all queued players will be playing on X map” would work. People would likely still queue with whoever, but at least you would know “the next 10 minutes are hanamura, I shouldn’t pick azmo”

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    I'm telling you, you don't need to draft. You can let people pick what they want. Just, behind the scenes, makes sure the comps are reasonable. It makes the queue slightly longer but it still gets you in a game faster than the draft modes

    Caving to people complaining about that and removing it was a horrible decision

    There are a couple of solutions to the problem.

    One is hard limiting roles for queuing. This seems most basic and they have done it….then rolled it back.

    Two is to just like, put people into a lobby and let them pick their heroes on the map after they ban two heroes per team. Everyone picks together, but you get to see the map and what everyone else is rolling.

    The second option has a good chance to just get you the same problem though. Half the reason people play QM is because they don't want to pick their hero to fit the comp, they want to spam squishy assassins. And they don't want them banned!

    The problem with QM is not that you don't see what map you are on.

    It is a problem. When I queue for a match wanting to try out hero that does macro real well and I get a two lane map it’s frustrating.

    Or may I want a teamfight hero and we get fuckin warhead junction

    OK. I would say that the team comps are am order of magnitude worse, though, and your solution to the maps definitely wouldn't work for the team comp.

    Maybe you could only switch within the role you queued as? Or what ronzo said, that'd work too

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Registered User, ClubPA regular
    The game should assign you roles and it should be a reportable offense to not play your role.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    I dunno about that.

    How else can you be the toxic 5 healer or 5 cloaked comp?

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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    All of those fixes ignore the problem that 10% of the qm population is queuing up as abathur at any given time; there isn't really an equivalent hero to place against him; and his strength varies wildly based on melee hat targets and how much the abathur player decides to play with the team.

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