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Maybe the real [Heroes of the Storm] were the friends we made along the way

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    More emotions than a Grey's Anatomy episode

    https://clips.twitch.tv/HyperAbstruseReubenWTRuck-q9jauSpGZ3gHf0D1

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Steam - Talon ValdezRegistered User regular
    Playing as brightwing, 'just be safe until 10. No burst heal until then'

    Naz ventures 3/4 of the way down lane. Is diablo combo'd and jaina/butchered.

    Gg no heals."


    We were level 4.


    Oh well. Won anyway because they went team fight draft and we went Abby push. On warhead.

    Plus I'm a golden healing god on my little dragon.

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  • RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    how dare someone insult a brightwing

    jail, jail for one thousand years for that monster

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 8
    I've seen a few videos/pics floating around of a map control/siege Nova. The build is:
    • Advanced Cloaking - more mana, faster lane rotations
    • Covert Mission - get camps for more lane pushing
    • Perfect Shot - Cooldown/mana reduction on Snipe for faster lane clearing
    • Precision Strike - Full map minion wave clear every 50 seconds
    • Ionic Forcefield - The other two talents are focused on team fighting, but whatever is fine here
    • Explosive Rounds - AoE damage for faster wave clear
    • Precision Barrage - Minion wave clear every 25 seconds

    Like, it's a neat concept, but it all comes into play far too late (level 16) to be effective. Plus you get anti-synergy with your ult not providing Bribe stacks.

    Still, funny to see a Nova not being used to gank. Too bad you'd be much better off playing a hero with better wave clear out the gate. Could be used as a late-game alternative wave clear hero that helps gank in the early game.

    I'd really like them to push her more in this direction though. She's in desperate need of a rework/update as she's super outclassed by many other heroes. Simply changing her W to an AoE attack or baking in Explosive Rounds would be a good starting point. I know heroes need to have things there good and bad at, but she's really not even all that great at deleting heroes from a distance. So yeah, either make her a better #1 Player Killer Hero or give her more map control options.

    Edit: Here's a video from Grubby where the Nova player is doing crazy split-pushing. Note he's playing Mei and his teammate is Nova.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I think it's hilarious I often feel like a better sniper on Q build Hanzo.

    She's just so binary and easy to kill. Needs un-revealable for a larger amount of time on her activated cloak. That said, fuck Nova I don't want extra stealth in my game.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    It'd be cool to see a stealthy that wasn't designed around "sneak up and gank heroes"

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I think making her work kind of like Chromie, as a long range mage would be fine. Make the sniper shot pierce instead of explode. Give her AOE on pinning shot, maybe make it a skill shot, too. Get rid of the quest on her Q, since it's boring and bad.

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  • InvictusInvictus Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    It'd be cool to see a stealthy that wasn't designed around "sneak up and gank heroes"

    I mean, depending on your notion of stealthy, blademaster is pretty much like this.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    Invictus wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    It'd be cool to see a stealthy that wasn't designed around "sneak up and gank heroes"

    I mean, depending on your notion of stealthy, blademaster is pretty much like this.

    I agree now, but at release he was more the other kind.

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I've seen a few videos/pics floating around of a map control/siege Nova. The build is:
    • Advanced Cloaking - more mana, faster lane rotations
    • Covert Mission - get camps for more lane pushing
    • Perfect Shot - Cooldown/mana reduction on Snipe for faster lane clearing
    • Precision Strike - Full map minion wave clear every 50 seconds
    • Ionic Forcefield - The other two talents are focused on team fighting, but whatever is fine here
    • Explosive Rounds - AoE damage for faster wave clear
    • Precision Barrage - Minion wave clear every 25 seconds

    Like, it's a neat concept, but it all comes into play far too late (level 16) to be effective. Plus you get anti-synergy with your ult not providing Bribe stacks.

    Still, funny to see a Nova not being used to gank. Too bad you'd be much better off playing a hero with better wave clear out the gate. Could be used as a late-game alternative wave clear hero that helps gank in the early game.

    I'd really like them to push her more in this direction though. She's in desperate need of a rework/update as she's super outclassed by many other heroes. Simply changing her W to an AoE attack or baking in Explosive Rounds would be a good starting point. I know heroes need to have things there good and bad at, but she's really not even all that great at deleting heroes from a distance. So yeah, either make her a better #1 Player Killer Hero or give her more map control options.

    Edit: Here's a video from Grubby where the Nova player is doing crazy split-pushing. Note he's playing Mei and his teammate is Nova.


    I think the 16 aoe on q and cdr ones are going to be standard now regardless. Since they buffed the cdr recently (now also triggers on minions), it's too good.

    600+ aoe every 5s or w/e is pretty darn strong. Most healers wouldn't be able to keep up.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Pinning Shot build Nova (Longshot, Rapid Projection, One in the Chamber, Precision Strike, Double Tap, Crippling Shot, Rewind) has more raw burst than just about any other Hero in the game. She can global most Tanks. Difficult to buff her from that position without making her absolutely busted.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    Too bad most Novas suck

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited February 9
    Yeah, that's the thing: she's typically only played by absolute mouth-breathers, so the community perception of her value is poor. I'm not saying she's top-tier or anything, but she does bring almost unparalleled burst to the table, and that has value. Not many Heroes can burn a full-health Tank to 0 from range inside of a few moments. Most back-line characters get fully deleted in her burst window.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Hey, I'm only a part-time mouth breather!

    Since I'm 98% all ARAM Nova isn't a bad pick.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    I know I'm jinxing myself by saying this, but since the wife got me to Bronze, I fell out of it twice (she got me back again a second time) and now I'm mid-Silver 5. Actually climbing a bit? It's weird because the players all feel roughly the same, which shouldn't be surprising.

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  • RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    damn

    kharazim's legendary fist capstone is great for aram

    feel bad about not getting power punches? well, here's a second chance

  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I know I'm jinxing myself by saying this, but since the wife got me to Bronze, I fell out of it twice (she got me back again a second time) and now I'm mid-Silver 5. Actually climbing a bit? It's weird because the players all feel roughly the same, which shouldn't be surprising.

    The thing to remember is that they're bad the whole way up.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Steam - Talon ValdezRegistered User regular
    Yeah. I talk shit about bronze hell, but even though highest I've ever been up was mid gold... I never noticed a difference.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    John de Lancie is going to be at the Indiana Comic Con this year. We're big Trek fans, but to be honest, I'm gonna try to find some rad Alarak artwork for him to sign. It's going to be lit. If you guys could keep an eye out for anything that might be cool, send it my way? I'm seeing a big 5pc wall-mounted art piece that I think might work, but maybe that's over-the-top lol. Anyway, open to suggestions.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 12
    milk ducks wrote: »
    John de Lancie is going to be at the Indiana Comic Con this year. We're big Trek fans, but to be honest, I'm gonna try to find some rad Alarak artwork for him to sign. It's going to be lit. If you guys could keep an eye out for anything that might be cool, send it my way? I'm seeing a big 5pc wall-mounted art piece that I think might work, but maybe that's over-the-top lol. Anyway, open to suggestions.

    Go, and tell him of the victories I have won here.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Alarak is the only hero who I regularly, with nobody around, start saying his lines.

    Especially that one.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 12
    milk ducks wrote: »
    John de Lancie is going to be at the Indiana Comic Con this year. We're big Trek fans, but to be honest, I'm gonna try to find some rad Alarak artwork for him to sign. It's going to be lit. If you guys could keep an eye out for anything that might be cool, send it my way? I'm seeing a big 5pc wall-mounted art piece that I think might work, but maybe that's over-the-top lol. Anyway, open to suggestions.

    Get him to sign my wife's drawing of Alarak. Just print out a copy for yourself and your good to go. :)

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Alarak is the only hero who I regularly, with nobody around, start saying his lines.

    Especially that one.

    There are more of those proper Warp Blade first weapons coming out in 9.2, and I've seriously considered making a Draenei alt just to cosplay Alarak. Or like, an cross between Alarak and Javik from ME3.

    Just walking around Stormwind, looking down his nose at all the primitives in their buildings made of stone and wood, like "bitch I came to this planet on a starship made of Light and ether."

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    John De Lancy has one of those voices where I am pretty sure I could just listen to him dramatically read the tax code and it'd be riveting. Every time he gives a performance there are little things that I just fall in love with. I wouldn't give two shits about Alarak if it wasn't for his utterly cocksure, utterly confidant smarm.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Ducks so help me God if you see you better tell him that and that I super appreciate him.

    Do this for me.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Oh, that's Q?! Nice!!

    Aka Lancie

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular


    Jump to 14:56 to watch Falstad vanish at the hands of Fan's Alarak with 198 Sadism.

    Damage breakdown:
    • W - 302
    • Q - 1,037
    • E - 387
    • Show of Force bonus - 394
    • R - 1,270

    3,390 damage in 2 seconds which about 700 more HP than Falstad has at that level. :lol:

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 18
    About two weeks ago, I thought I'd give Malthael another try since he had some buffs in the last patch. Thanks to the wife, I was at Bronze 1 again, only 1 win away from Silver. This is what happened:

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    13-3 and now 1 win away from Silver 3. It's totally night and day in how the games are going. My teammates aren't complaining that I double soak and are actually encouraging me to do it. When they fight, there isn't near as many 4v5 insta-deaths where all my hard work is lost. I'm getting to outsoak the enemy and join in with a timely Last Rights before going back to what I need to do.

    I know there's a joke that everything under Diamond is the same, but I find that hard to believe. I think that the skill levels are similar to Bronze, but map understanding is slightly better in Silver. People still fight in uncoordinated messes and don't watch the minimap, but it's definitely noticeable from Bronze -> Silver.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Been saying it for a while, Malth is OP. Then he got buffed :D

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Steam - Talon ValdezRegistered User regular
    Malth is one of the heroes I know is good. I know technically how to play him.

    Then I play him and I'm just absolute garbo. Dunno

    Meanwhile I played my...5th? Ever game of orphea on aram. Hey y'all, she's fun!

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Malth is one of the heroes I know is good. I know technically how to play him.

    Then I play him and I'm just absolute garbo. Dunno

    Meanwhile I played my...5th? Ever game of orphea on aram. Hey y'all, she's fun!

    In my last game, one of my teammates asked me how to be good on Malth (must have looked at my profile). I told him to get Pale Horse and double soak two lanes. The enemy won't be able to keep up and you'll get a huge XP lead.

    They responded with, "I just want to fight though..." :lol:

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Steam - Talon ValdezRegistered User regular
    I told you that in confidence

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Looks to me like Dover only loses games when he plays Malthael and is undefeated on non-Malthael heroes. Clearly he needs to ditch that dead weight angel and play anyone else. :sunglasses:

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Malthael's one of my most-played Heroes, but I haven't picked him up in a while. A lot of that has to do with the matchmaking, unfortunately: if I queue as a Bruiser into QM, I'll end up forced to front-line; Unranked is unplayable (literally can't find matches); and he's typically considered a trashcan-tier troll pick in ARAM. Aside from that, though, I just don't feel as confident on him as I used to against well-coordinated opponents. He wins a lot of matches in the solo lane, and he clears quickly, but so do Leoric and Sonya, who are also just a lot more versatile in their builds and playstyles in my opinion. Malthael's giga-squishy, and really depends on that level 13 talent row for a lot of his survivability (having said that, Unstoppable on a 20 second cooldown is fucking ridiculous, and 4 seconds of 50% spell armor on a 30 second cooldown is just as wild).

    If you're dumpstering on dudes in lower ranks, though, there's almost certainly nobody who can do it easier that also has a skill floor as accessible as Malth's.

  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius Steam - Talon ValdezRegistered User regular
    Would you care to speak on Leoric strategy/build? I look at his talents and I honestly can't tell what the best path is.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 19
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Malthael's one of my most-played Heroes, but I haven't picked him up in a while. A lot of that has to do with the matchmaking, unfortunately: if I queue as a Bruiser into QM, I'll end up forced to front-line; Unranked is unplayable (literally can't find matches); and he's typically considered a trashcan-tier troll pick in ARAM. Aside from that, though, I just don't feel as confident on him as I used to against well-coordinated opponents. He wins a lot of matches in the solo lane, and he clears quickly, but so do Leoric and Sonya, who are also just a lot more versatile in their builds and playstyles in my opinion. Malthael's giga-squishy, and really depends on that level 13 talent row for a lot of his survivability (having said that, Unstoppable on a 20 second cooldown is fucking ridiculous, and 4 seconds of 50% spell armor on a 30 second cooldown is just as wild).

    If you're dumpstering on dudes in lower ranks, though, there's almost certainly nobody who can do it easier that also has a skill floor as accessible as Malth's.

    the recent buff to malthael's passive should have made him a fuckin monster at all levels
    Would you care to speak on Leoric strategy/build? I look at his talents and I honestly can't tell what the best path is.

    Leo has a decent amount of flexibility in talents, so you have some options to work with based on what you want to do. But it's generally best to always go entomb and always plan to double soak.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Would you care to speak on Leoric strategy/build? I look at his talents and I honestly can't tell what the best path is.

    AA build for fun, drain build in general, wraith walk build if your team and you are good

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Malthael's one of my most-played Heroes, but I haven't picked him up in a while. A lot of that has to do with the matchmaking, unfortunately: if I queue as a Bruiser into QM, I'll end up forced to front-line; Unranked is unplayable (literally can't find matches); and he's typically considered a trashcan-tier troll pick in ARAM. Aside from that, though, I just don't feel as confident on him as I used to against well-coordinated opponents. He wins a lot of matches in the solo lane, and he clears quickly, but so do Leoric and Sonya, who are also just a lot more versatile in their builds and playstyles in my opinion. Malthael's giga-squishy, and really depends on that level 13 talent row for a lot of his survivability (having said that, Unstoppable on a 20 second cooldown is fucking ridiculous, and 4 seconds of 50% spell armor on a 30 second cooldown is just as wild).

    If you're dumpstering on dudes in lower ranks, though, there's almost certainly nobody who can do it easier that also has a skill floor as accessible as Malth's.

    Wait, who's forcing you to frontline as Malth? If this thread has taught me anything, it's that you never listen to your teammate potatoes. Just because you're a Bruiser, doesn't mean you gotta be up in there fighting. Just remember what Fleetwood Mac said...

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    @MNC Dover Forced to front line in the sense that the matchmaker won't give either side a tank and everyone else in the game is, more than likely, a ranged assassin.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    @MNC Dover Forced to front line in the sense that the matchmaker won't give either side a tank and everyone else in the game is, more than likely, a ranged assassin.

    Oh I understand that. I'm just saying, you don't have to frontline just because you're the bruiser. Just let your team adjust the no frontline QM they've found themselves in. At this point, nobody should be surprised getting into a QM game without a Tank or Healer.

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