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Maybe the real [Heroes of the Storm] were the friends we made along the way

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    Nova players have a literal genetic predisposition toward being fucking terrible.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    My Genji has landed at like 45% win rate in QM, which is acceptable for me. I'm also routinely top damage.

    If you are good at auto attackers, you can make Genji work. That doesn't mean Raynor isn't a better choice for 90% of how you'd use him.

    Where I'm at, people never actually finish kills so he's been my stab at solving that.

    I'm actually really struggling with 45% winrates on my best ranged assassins. They're all super squishy, and this is QM. I'm wondering if that's normal for other people? I'm usually crushing stat-wise, and my Hanzo clobbers people in draft games when I decide I can tolerate the queues.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Nova players have a literal genetic predisposition toward being fucking terrible.

    :'(

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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Whelk wrote: »
    My Genji has landed at like 45% win rate in QM, which is acceptable for me. I'm also routinely top damage.

    If you are good at auto attackers, you can make Genji work. That doesn't mean Raynor isn't a better choice for 90% of how you'd use him.

    Where I'm at, people never actually finish kills so he's been my stab at solving that.

    I'm actually really struggling with 45% winrates on my best ranged assassins. They're all super squishy, and this is QM. I'm wondering if that's normal for other people? I'm usually crushing stat-wise, and my Hanzo clobbers people in draft games when I decide I can tolerate the queues.

    I think ranged assassins are just at the mercy of QM rng so I wouldn't think about your winrate that much or what it "means". In a mode where what 60%? of the ppl queuing are ranged assassins - your effect on your teammates winrate is kinda washed out. So you did more dmg then there ranged but you got rexxar for a bruiser on your team and they got leo/imperius, who are secretly tanks - it now becomes much harder to do meaningful dmg

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Nova players have a literal genetic predisposition toward being fucking terrible.

    :'(

    Hey, don't get me wrong; I actually like Nova a lot. I think she's secretly very strong.

    But you can't deny that the community stigma that she faces is justified.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Nova is alright, but she attracts a certain type of player. Then those players discover Valeera exists and spam her in QM instead.

    QM Valeeras and being trash, name a more iconic duo.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I've got 2 Valera qms under my belt and I was definitely horrible. Just absolute trash. Nova is the only stealth assassin I can do anything with.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 11


    Watch the clip first, then jump to 2:57 for....
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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    That quad Fenix clip was crazy.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »


    Watch the clip first, then jump to 2:57 for....
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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    I mean first off, Abathur is great. But secondly, that Medivh was bad :P

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Oh man let me tell you though that Fun and Interactive gameplay where a player can just single-handedly stop you from capping an objective for literally 30 seconds while getting XP in another lane and never putting themself in danger boy howdy let me tell you such amazing design that isn't toxic at all it's not like they literally named the ability toxic or anything like that gee whiz what's irony nobody knows who would've thought.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited June 11
    Abathur leads to fun and interactive gameplay... playing another game.

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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    True medivh players wait out of vision for the abathur player to try and cap the objective. Just give it time, you know they will

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  • SaerisSaeris Borb Enthusiast flapflapflapflapRegistered User regular
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but... I'm pretty sure he could've just ignored the mines and capped it. The mine won't be primed in time. It's very close, but still.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Saeris wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but... I'm pretty sure he could've just ignored the mines and capped it. The mine won't be primed in time. It's very close, but still.

    Right at 2:57 when he starts his first cap attempt, a mine is dropped at almost the same time. The mine goes off first by a few seconds. Pretty sure that triggered some PTSD for future cap attempts.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Saeris wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but... I'm pretty sure he could've just ignored the mines and capped it. The mine won't be primed in time. It's very close, but still.
    I don't think so. The mine arming time is less than than the capping time by a second or two. Unless Abathur delayed significantly on dropping a mine under each of his cap attempts, he wouldn't have been able to finish. But each of the mines came up pretty shortly after he started the channel.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited June 11
    Abathur was delayed on at least one of those attempts but Medivh stopped anyways. Iirc at least

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.

    Like, the amount of coordination required from random players to avoid his bullshit his just stupid.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.

    Like, the amount of coordination required from random players to avoid his bullshit his just stupid.

    You also need two people to cap as long as Tyrande has an owl or Deathwing has meteors or whatever. Etc. Like, yes, if people have a way to stall you you either outlast their cooldowns or have multiple people cap.

    Don't let your Abathur racism make this out to bigger than it is :P

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited June 11
    I mean, he could have just killed the mines with aas, or q, especially for the ones finished placing.

    Instead of walking over where they got placed, which he saw, each time...

    Over...
    and over again.


    AKA Hey someone got video of my allies!

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.

    Like, the amount of coordination required from random players to avoid his bullshit his just stupid.

    You also need two people to cap as long as Tyrande has an owl or Deathwing has meteors or whatever. Etc. Like, yes, if people have a way to stall you you either outlast their cooldowns or have multiple people cap.

    Don't let your Abathur racism make this out to bigger than it is :P

    Tyrande's Owl is on a very long cooldown and doesn't pierce unless you talent for it. Deathwing drops meteors but otherwise can't interact with the game at all.

    At the end of the day the fundamental truth is that Abathur is a Fun and Interactive Hero.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Abathur was delayed on at least one of those attempts but Medivh stopped anyways. Iirc at least
    I think only the last one Medivh had a shot at. It was going to be really close though with the surprise hat MULE AoE at the end there.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.
    Couldn't the second person just pick off the mines while the first caps and the whole thing is done in 6 seconds? Like in that video there, if Nova had just come back into range at the start, couldn't she have shot the nest before it interrupted the initial cap?

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.
    Couldn't the second person just pick off the mines while the first caps and the whole thing is done in 6 seconds? Like in that video there, if Nova had just come back into range at the start, couldn't she have shot the nest before it interrupted the initial cap?

    Yeah but then Inq wouldn't be able to be as grumpy at Abathur.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    As long as Abathur has mines, you need 2 people to cap on opposite ends in order to succeed and then both have to move and try to cap again immediately after he drops his mines. Because he has 3 charges so you have to get him to burn all 3 before you can cap.
    Couldn't the second person just pick off the mines while the first caps and the whole thing is done in 6 seconds? Like in that video there, if Nova had just come back into range at the start, couldn't she have shot the nest before it interrupted the initial cap?

    Yeah but then Inq wouldn't be able to be as grumpy at Abathur.

    Abathur can talent into like 5 total charges on a 2-second cooldown. With just the minimum cast timer, he can spam multiple mines under the same target and interrupt the channel unless you happen to be playing a hero like Tassadar who can cast an AOE that will help to kill the mines over time. The only guaranteed way to channel an objective with minimal downtime is to have multiple heroes channel.

    With just two heroes you cannot reliably stop him from stalling for at least 5 seconds, if not longer, unless you do the thing I said and dance around his mines to force him to burn multiple charges trying to stop two people at once who are constantly relocating, instead of being able to concentrate his spam under a single target whose ally may or may not be able to kill them in time. Like, pros in the HGC have gotten stalled out by Abathurs doing this bullshit for far longer than the amount of time it takes to "just kill the mines lol".

    This also doesn't include him burning a M.U.L.E. and putting a hat on it to stall even further.

    And to bring it back to my original point - why does this one stupid fucking character require such intricate counterplay? Especially given the player never has to put themself in danger to do it? There's literally no risk involved.

    I will admit to memeing a little bit but honestly Abathur is trash design from a player balance perspective. He might be "fun" for the people playing him, but he's absolutely toxic for everyone else, often including his own team.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Wait why can't the second character just shoot the mines?

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Aba is such a polarizing hero for both teams. I don’t find it fun regardless of the side I’m on. Same goes with Butcher and Murky.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Watching CCL... man hammer is just oppressive at this point.

    Siege, sustain, unstoppable, aoe burst.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I'm glad they decided against Rag being the same as Abathur.

  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    The Ling Mi release was when I turned off all chat in the game because of how ghoulish and toxic it became

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    The Ling Mi release was when I turned off all chat in the game because of how ghoulish and toxic it became

    Ling Mi?

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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    I could go for a Banh Mi about now

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Brainleech wrote: »
    The Ling Mi release was when I turned off all chat in the game because of how ghoulish and toxic it became

    Ling Mi?

    Lo Mong.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited June 15
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Brainleech wrote: »
    The Ling Mi release was when I turned off all chat in the game because of how ghoulish and toxic it became

    Ling Mi?
    Ling Mi!? Ling Yu, pal!

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    Whelk wrote: »
    I'm glad they decided against Rag being the same as Abathur.

    Speaking of...do you actually need to press D as Ragnaros? I was sidelaning and throwing Lava Wave down whichever lane was open at the time.

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    Ivellius wrote: »
    Whelk wrote: »
    I'm glad they decided against Rag being the same as Abathur.

    Speaking of...do you actually need to press D as Ragnaros? I was sidelaning and throwing Lava Wave down whichever lane was open at the time.

    What? Yes. It’s his best button as long as you aren’t playing against GM level players.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    Whelk wrote: »
    I'm glad they decided against Rag being the same as Abathur.

    Speaking of...do you actually need to press D as Ragnaros? I was sidelaning and throwing Lava Wave down whichever lane was open at the time.

    What? Yes. It’s his best button as long as you aren’t playing against GM level players.

    It's def the best hots minigame.

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