Maybe the real [Heroes of the Storm] were the friends we made along the way

MMMig

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Playing Medivh in QM is like pulling [your own] teeth

FTFY

MNC Dover

MrBody wrote: »

Hey, let's learn Medivh in quickmatch!

*several games of failing, never coming close to completing quest, abysmal stats, lots of yelling*


Bit dumbfounded looking at the Icy Veins lvl 1 talent recommendations for him.

I understand saying Portal Mastery is the best, but saying the raven speed boost should never be picked because "the raven is already fast enough" while saying the raven regen bonus is useful? The amount of times when +75% passive regen while mounted outdoes the value of +50% mounted speed???

Well, it is Icy Veins after all. I'd stick with Heroes Profile for talent picks. Not as much description as to why, but you can always ask here if you aren't sure.

MrBody

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

Playing Medivh in QM is like pulling teeth

Beaver teeth

MMMig

Fan announced today that he's going to Miami to cast the International tourney alongside Khaldor, Trikslyr and even Michael Udall.

Damn trik and udall are some old names.


https://liquipedia.net/heroes/Heroes_International

The Escape Goat

almost forgot this year's

The Escape Goat wrote: »

hey y'all here's my biyearly reminder of the best video to come out of this game

https://youtu.be/lr88ssO8Ifo

MrBody

Speaking of Medivh and killing Abathur...
I'm finding it fairly easy to do as Medivh.

Raven Familiar (extra damage on exiting a gate) + Arcane Explosion (Force of Will aoe damage on expiring, bonus for damage taken)

Find him at a fort, plop portal next to him, exit, chuck your damage at him, Force of Will nukes him when expiring thanks to Fort+tower damage absorbed. You can even polymorph him if he starts tunneling.

A lot of Abathurs will notice you flying around. Most of them will react by going out of symbiosis mode and being mobile until you go away. Worst case, you keep him out of symbiote mode and both teams are down a hero. That's where I find the raven speed lvl 1 talent useful as you can more quickly move around, and either fake him out by leaving then coming back, or beelining for the objective and getting in there while he's still mobile and paranoid. Also less time wasted scouting for him. Portal Mastery might make placement a teensy bit easier, but I've found it unnecessary.

I did check out Heroes Profiles and that one too had the raven regen bonus talent as more popular and higher win rate. I really don't get it, and would never pick that over Portal Mastery or Winds.

MNC Dover

MrBody wrote: »

I did check out Heroes Profiles and that one too had the raven regen bonus talent as more popular and higher win rate. I really don't get it, and would never pick that over Portal Mastery or Winds.

MrBody

I meant higher than Winds of Celerity, and that I could never think of a reason why you'd ever take Intellect over the other 2.

kime

MrBody wrote: »

I meant higher than Winds of Celerity, and that I could never think of a reason why you'd ever take Intellect over the other 2.

I never take it, but I always think about it. You often don't have a healer in QM, so I go "hmmmm this way I could stay topped up!"

MrBody

You're getting an extra 10% max health healed every full minute mounted, and 135 mana.

I wouldn't say no to a freebie, but how much does it really end up getting you and do you always need both?

Just...the utility of portal mastery you're giving up. And even if you fall short of that skill ceiling, the utility of 50% extra mounted speed for a hero who's going to do a ton of scouting.

And I didn't realize that Medivh's lvl 20 polymorph upgrade also reduces the disable time! It's a straight up huge downgrade that only maybe in certain circumstances makes up for the downgrade and is more useful than the default. Wow...now that might be a contender for worst lvl 20 upgrade.

Worse than Vile Infection for no-stacks Naz! At least that's simply a ZERO contribution rather than a negative.

Munkus Beaver

Polymorph is the trap ult TBH

MrBody

I'm starting to learn that.

Still, it's kind of shocking that a lvl 20 talent would be a straight up downgrade.

SeGaTai

Still not technically a straight downgrade - the reduced disable time allows the bomb to spread faster - this just only occurs against extremely clumped/bad players

Inquisitor77

Poly is fine for what it is, particularly if you need a point-and-click interrupt. It can be absolutely devastating against a melee/dive comp, too.

Ley Line is unequivocally better with a high skill, coordinated team, but who really has that?

MMMig

Poly is a trap but oh do I love getting polied and chasing my allies.


It turns hots into a game of tag, which is not a daed game.

MrBody

Conditionally (more often than not?) a downgrade. It has to spread and affect at least 3 heroes before it's an improvement. And even then it might not be since it might be more beneficial to guarantee 2 seconds disable on the initial target than to try spreading it around. Maybe if multiple enemy heroes have channel abilities or ones with long windup times? But EVEN THEN with the default 2 second time, that's an extra second you're forcing the enemy team to spread out into potentially bad positions so you might prefer that if they're good at not getting caught by the explosion, even at 1 second (you might be doubling down on the team being bad if you take the upgrade). Soooooo many conditionals.

If I pick poly, I just treat it as a powered up version of Brightwing's where I know there's a single target I'm going to be using on a lot. That's almost always against some dive hero where I need to interrupt their escape (tracer/sylv/zera) or negate a sustain (Artanis/Butcher).

Or I'm just bad at aiming the Stasis ult

MrBody

Oh, and like most learning Medivhs, I found out the hard way that Butcher's charge continues after Ley Line wears off

Whelk

Yeah Poly isn't bad as counter-tech, but it's not great. It's great for the same reasons Anub's web is great, it's just a much shorter time frame.

Ley-Line is brutal in the right hands.

MMMig

With the cdr on ley is also bonkers

kime

MMMig wrote: »

With the cdr on ley is also bonkers

Yeah it's basically just a basic ability cooldown post-16.

Munkus Beaver

Yeah, you don’t need a coordinated team, you just fire a rift off, hit 2 enemies, and win the fight

MMMig

TIL that enemy heroes will show a skull over their character if malth's last rites would kill them, and maybe if they're within cast range?


Huh... that's kinda big ^^

Invictus

MMMig wrote: »

TIL that enemy heroes will show a skull over their character if malth's last rites would kill them, and maybe if they're within cast range?


Huh... that's kinda big ^^

it shows the skull even if you aren't in cast range, and it shows the skull based only on their life, not on shields.

MMMig

Is it weird that in all my years on this game and numerous last rites games I have never noticed the skull?


I think I saw it when fan was playing valeera as well.

Neurotika

Go for the throat and resets too I think

MNC Dover

Don’t trust the skull until the enemy life bar is at 1/3 or so.

MrBody

MNC Dover wrote: »

Don’t trust the skull until the enemy life bar is at 1/3 or so.

Don't trust anyone over 30 (% health)!

SeGaTai

MMMig wrote: »

Is it weird that in all my years on this game and numerous last rites games I have never noticed the skull?


I think I saw it when fan was playing valeera as well.

Valeera has a skull icon show up for the assassinate talent and if it will proc

Inquisitor77

Li Ming and Genji have no such icons. Illidan's level 20 Hunt upgrade has an icon. I believe Qhira has one as well, but I forget the specifics.

Munkus Beaver

Inquisitor77 wrote: »

Li Ming and Genji have no such icons. Illidan's level 20 Hunt upgrade has an icon. I believe Qhira has one as well, but I forget the specifics.

I think it isn’t an icon, but that the health bar lights up if you took R1 and they are in execute range

MMMig

It's kinda obvious now that I see it.

Smrtnik

MMMig wrote: »

It's kinda obvious now that I see it.

I honestly never noticed this

forty

Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

Smrtnik

forty wrote: »

Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

If i haven't seen it, it's new to me!
https://youtu.be/CqIxxFwVYTQ

MMMig

forty wrote: »

Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

But for reals was this patched in 2 months ago or something??

kime

MMMig wrote: »

forty wrote: »

Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

But for reals was this patched in 2 months ago or something??

Nope, it's been in there I think since the beginning? The Malthael one at least. At the very least, many years.

Munkus Beaver

Since the beginning.

If you have played Malth and did not know that

You were probably having a bad time

MMMig

One icon I'm trying to use more is Garrosh's 'this is who'll get thrown' icon.


It's very small but helpful.

The Escape Goat

tbf, if you were playing malth from the beginning you weren't picking last rights much

kime

The Escape Goat wrote: »

tbf, if you were playing malth from the beginning you weren't picking last rights much

Man I forgot about all the Malth changes. He had a rework and everything!