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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Playing Medivh in QM is like pulling [your own] teeth

    FTFY

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    Hey, let's learn Medivh in quickmatch!

    *several games of failing, never coming close to completing quest, abysmal stats, lots of yelling*


    Bit dumbfounded looking at the Icy Veins lvl 1 talent recommendations for him.

    I understand saying Portal Mastery is the best, but saying the raven speed boost should never be picked because "the raven is already fast enough" while saying the raven regen bonus is useful? The amount of times when +75% passive regen while mounted outdoes the value of +50% mounted speed???

    Well, it is Icy Veins after all. I'd stick with Heroes Profile for talent picks. Not as much description as to why, but you can always ask here if you aren't sure.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Playing Medivh in QM is like pulling teeth

    Beaver teeth

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Fan announced today that he's going to Miami to cast the International tourney alongside Khaldor, Trikslyr and even Michael Udall.

    Damn trik and udall are some old names.


    https://liquipedia.net/heroes/Heroes_International

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    almost forgot this year's
    hey y'all here's my biyearly reminder of the best video to come out of this game

    https://youtu.be/lr88ssO8Ifo

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Speaking of Medivh and killing Abathur...
    I'm finding it fairly easy to do as Medivh.

    Raven Familiar (extra damage on exiting a gate) + Arcane Explosion (Force of Will aoe damage on expiring, bonus for damage taken)

    Find him at a fort, plop portal next to him, exit, chuck your damage at him, Force of Will nukes him when expiring thanks to Fort+tower damage absorbed. You can even polymorph him if he starts tunneling.

    A lot of Abathurs will notice you flying around. Most of them will react by going out of symbiosis mode and being mobile until you go away. Worst case, you keep him out of symbiote mode and both teams are down a hero. That's where I find the raven speed lvl 1 talent useful as you can more quickly move around, and either fake him out by leaving then coming back, or beelining for the objective and getting in there while he's still mobile and paranoid. Also less time wasted scouting for him. Portal Mastery might make placement a teensy bit easier, but I've found it unnecessary.

    I did check out Heroes Profiles and that one too had the raven regen bonus talent as more popular and higher win rate. I really don't get it, and would never pick that over Portal Mastery or Winds.

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    I did check out Heroes Profiles and that one too had the raven regen bonus talent as more popular and higher win rate. I really don't get it, and would never pick that over Portal Mastery or Winds.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    I meant higher than Winds of Celerity, and that I could never think of a reason why you'd ever take Intellect over the other 2.

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MrBody wrote: »
    I meant higher than Winds of Celerity, and that I could never think of a reason why you'd ever take Intellect over the other 2.

    I never take it, but I always think about it. You often don't have a healer in QM, so I go "hmmmm this way I could stay topped up!"

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    You're getting an extra 10% max health healed every full minute mounted, and 135 mana.

    I wouldn't say no to a freebie, but how much does it really end up getting you and do you always need both?

    Just...the utility of portal mastery you're giving up. And even if you fall short of that skill ceiling, the utility of 50% extra mounted speed for a hero who's going to do a ton of scouting.

    And I didn't realize that Medivh's lvl 20 polymorph upgrade also reduces the disable time! It's a straight up huge downgrade that only maybe in certain circumstances makes up for the downgrade and is more useful than the default. Wow...now that might be a contender for worst lvl 20 upgrade.

    Worse than Vile Infection for no-stacks Naz! At least that's simply a ZERO contribution rather than a negative.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Polymorph is the trap ult TBH

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    I'm starting to learn that.

    Still, it's kind of shocking that a lvl 20 talent would be a straight up downgrade.

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Still not technically a straight downgrade - the reduced disable time allows the bomb to spread faster - this just only occurs against extremely clumped/bad players

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Poly is fine for what it is, particularly if you need a point-and-click interrupt. It can be absolutely devastating against a melee/dive comp, too.

    Ley Line is unequivocally better with a high skill, coordinated team, but who really has that?

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Poly is a trap but oh do I love getting polied and chasing my allies.


    It turns hots into a game of tag, which is not a daed game.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Conditionally (more often than not?) a downgrade. It has to spread and affect at least 3 heroes before it's an improvement. And even then it might not be since it might be more beneficial to guarantee 2 seconds disable on the initial target than to try spreading it around. Maybe if multiple enemy heroes have channel abilities or ones with long windup times? But EVEN THEN with the default 2 second time, that's an extra second you're forcing the enemy team to spread out into potentially bad positions so you might prefer that if they're good at not getting caught by the explosion, even at 1 second (you might be doubling down on the team being bad if you take the upgrade). Soooooo many conditionals.

    If I pick poly, I just treat it as a powered up version of Brightwing's where I know there's a single target I'm going to be using on a lot. That's almost always against some dive hero where I need to interrupt their escape (tracer/sylv/zera) or negate a sustain (Artanis/Butcher).

    Or I'm just bad at aiming the Stasis ult

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    Oh, and like most learning Medivhs, I found out the hard way that Butcher's charge continues after Ley Line wears off :(

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    WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    Yeah Poly isn't bad as counter-tech, but it's not great. It's great for the same reasons Anub's web is great, it's just a much shorter time frame.

    Ley-Line is brutal in the right hands.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    With the cdr on ley is also bonkers

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    With the cdr on ley is also bonkers

    Yeah it's basically just a basic ability cooldown post-16.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah, you don’t need a coordinated team, you just fire a rift off, hit 2 enemies, and win the fight

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    TIL that enemy heroes will show a skull over their character if malth's last rites would kill them, and maybe if they're within cast range?


    Huh... that's kinda big ^^

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    InvictusInvictus Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    TIL that enemy heroes will show a skull over their character if malth's last rites would kill them, and maybe if they're within cast range?


    Huh... that's kinda big ^^

    it shows the skull even if you aren't in cast range, and it shows the skull based only on their life, not on shields.

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Is it weird that in all my years on this game and numerous last rites games I have never noticed the skull?


    I think I saw it when fan was playing valeera as well.

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    NeurotikaNeurotika Registered User regular
    Go for the throat and resets too I think

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    MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Don’t trust the skull until the enemy life bar is at 1/3 or so.

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    MrBodyMrBody Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Don’t trust the skull until the enemy life bar is at 1/3 or so.

    Don't trust anyone over 30 (% health)!

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    SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Is it weird that in all my years on this game and numerous last rites games I have never noticed the skull?


    I think I saw it when fan was playing valeera as well.

    Valeera has a skull icon show up for the assassinate talent and if it will proc

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    Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Li Ming and Genji have no such icons. Illidan's level 20 Hunt upgrade has an icon. I believe Qhira has one as well, but I forget the specifics.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Li Ming and Genji have no such icons. Illidan's level 20 Hunt upgrade has an icon. I believe Qhira has one as well, but I forget the specifics.
    I think it isn’t an icon, but that the health bar lights up if you took R1 and they are in execute range

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    It's kinda obvious now that I see it.w88oz0mp349e.jpg

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    It's kinda obvious now that I see it.w88oz0mp349e.jpg

    I honestly never noticed this

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    fortyforty Registered User regular
    Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

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    SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

    If i haven't seen it, it's new to me!
    https://youtu.be/CqIxxFwVYTQ

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

    But for reals was this patched in 2 months ago or something??

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Just be unobservant and it's like HotS has new content!

    But for reals was this patched in 2 months ago or something??

    Nope, it's been in there I think since the beginning? The Malthael one at least. At the very least, many years.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Since the beginning.

    If you have played Malth and did not know that

    You were probably having a bad time

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    MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    One icon I'm trying to use more is Garrosh's 'this is who'll get thrown' icon.


    It's very small but helpful.

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    The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    tbf, if you were playing malth from the beginning you weren't picking last rights much

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    kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    tbf, if you were playing malth from the beginning you weren't picking last rights much

    Man I forgot about all the Malth changes. He had a rework and everything!

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