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Penny Arcade - Comic - Digeroos

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Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • OctoberRavenOctoberRaven Plays fighting games for the story Skyeline Hotel Apartment 4ARegistered User regular
    edited December 2021
    Point of order: Even if they did this, Tycho still wouldn't actually own the game, he'd have a token that allows access to a web address with a copy of the game.

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  • ArmsForPeace84ArmsForPeace84 Your Partner In Freedom Registered User regular
    OctoberRaven wrote: »
    Point of order: Even if they did this, Tycho still wouldn't actually own the game, he'd have a token that allows access to a web address with a copy of the game.

    And said access can be revoked at any time, or simply expire along with the hosting provider.

    Wow, they were early to the party on this shit.

    Nothing personal. It's just business.
  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    They'd be happy to sell you anything that makes you think you bought something, sure

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited December 2021
    OctoberRaven wrote: »
    Point of order: Even if they did this, Tycho still wouldn't actually own the game, he'd have a token that allows access to a web address with a copy of the game.

    Just gonna leave this here...

    Edit: hilariously, that's basically the intended behavior of Ethereum. The guy who invented it did so because he got mad about a WoW patch that nerfed warlocks and wanted to make a system that would make it impossible to patch games.
    Editsquared:so many typos

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  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    edited December 2021
    While that thing Wolf Game did is dumb, saying "recreate the entire game from scratch" is also dumb. They're not "recreating" it. All that source code is still there and works. They just have to point it to a new thing. Imagine having a new version of a game pointing to a different server. Or to upgrade a save file to be compatible with a new version of the software.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I have never yet seen anything done with NFTs that isn't dumb.

    I'm not at all sure it's conceptually possible to do anything with what is essentially a system for creating enormously expensive but non legally binding receipts that isn't dumb.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    While that thing Wolf Game did is dumb, saying "recreate the entire game from scratch" is also dumb. They're not "recreating" it. All that source code is still there and works. They just have to point it to a new thing. Imagine having a new version of a game pointing to a different server. Or to upgrade a save file to be compatible with a new version of the software.

    Yes, remake from scratch is a bit overbroad, but having to basically do a full rebuild and republish instead of just pushing out a patch to the affected code is definitely more involved than it sounds have been.

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Tofystedeth wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    While that thing Wolf Game did is dumb, saying "recreate the entire game from scratch" is also dumb. They're not "recreating" it. All that source code is still there and works. They just have to point it to a new thing. Imagine having a new version of a game pointing to a different server. Or to upgrade a save file to be compatible with a new version of the software.

    Yes, remake from scratch is a bit overbroad, but having to basically do a full rebuild and republish instead of just pushing out a patch to the affected code is definitely more involved than it sounds have been.

    Did they have to make a new NFT also?

  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Tofystedeth wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    While that thing Wolf Game did is dumb, saying "recreate the entire game from scratch" is also dumb. They're not "recreating" it. All that source code is still there and works. They just have to point it to a new thing. Imagine having a new version of a game pointing to a different server. Or to upgrade a save file to be compatible with a new version of the software.

    Yes, remake from scratch is a bit overbroad, but having to basically do a full rebuild and republish instead of just pushing out a patch to the affected code is definitely more involved than it sounds have been.

    Did they have to make a new NFT also?

    Yeah, they had to "convert" everyone's NFTs over. Which shouldn't be a big deal, since NFTs are essentially worthless and ephemeral anyway. But apparently they fucked that up and gave at least some people the wrong replacements.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I like how the name tags read crypto cult, subtle.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like how the name tags read crypto cult, subtle.

    Mike knows how political cartoons work.

  • palidine40palidine40 Registered User regular
    This seems like a nightmare scenario where nft's bloat into unbelievable and unmanageable sizes, and then also assets are locked down into things that have so many dependent systems that a failure along the logistics chain (no, no pun) would mean failure and downtime/outages for access to features in something simple.

    Next up, NFT pace makers with MFA checkins that eventually accidentally get set to 1 hour timeouts for sign-ins... call the repo man.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    V1m wrote: »
    Tofystedeth wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    While that thing Wolf Game did is dumb, saying "recreate the entire game from scratch" is also dumb. They're not "recreating" it. All that source code is still there and works. They just have to point it to a new thing. Imagine having a new version of a game pointing to a different server. Or to upgrade a save file to be compatible with a new version of the software.

    Yes, remake from scratch is a bit overbroad, but having to basically do a full rebuild and republish instead of just pushing out a patch to the affected code is definitely more involved than it sounds have been.

    Did they have to make a new NFT also?

    Yeah, they had to "convert" everyone's NFTs over. Which shouldn't be a big deal, since NFTs are essentially worthless and ephemeral anyway. But apparently they fucked that up and gave at least some people the wrong replacements.

    And used like a million tons of carbon, no doubt

  • OctoberRavenOctoberRaven Plays fighting games for the story Skyeline Hotel Apartment 4ARegistered User regular
    Tofystedeth wrote: »
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    The guy who invented it did so because he got mad about a WoW patch that nerfed warlocks and wanted to make a system that would make it impossible to patch games.

    So what you're saying is, NFTs are all Activision's fault.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    Lmao the announcement video got delisted after it got obliterated by dislikes

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    I have never yet seen anything done with NFTs that isn't dumb.

    I'm not at all sure it's conceptually possible to do anything with what is essentially a system for creating enormously expensive but non legally binding receipts that isn't dumb.

    also

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Dan Olson has a long twitter thread about these but they are all 100% a scam. Like the coin market was already pump and dump but NFT's practically put it in there business plan.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    V1m wrote: »
    I have never yet seen anything done with NFTs that isn't dumb.

    I'm not at all sure it's conceptually possible to do anything with what is essentially a system for creating enormously expensive but non legally binding receipts that isn't dumb.

    also


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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Every single time someone tries to talk about the exciting new prospect of nfts I immediately bring up 2 points:

    1. By the time you are hearing about it it’s way too late.
    2. How much is your uncle’s collection of beanie babies worth right now?

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I think you mean "How much is a piece of paper signed and dated by you with the words 'My Uncle's Collection of Beanie Babies' on it?"

  • islingtonislington Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I like how the name tags read crypto cult, subtle.

    Mike knows how political cartoons work.

    Also, dressed like LDS...

  • SolventSolvent Econ-artist กรุงเทพมหานครRegistered User regular
    From the linked Ars Technica article:

    we wonder whether a simple internal database managed directly by the company would be a better fit.

    Yeah, exactly. Almost, almost every single application of NFTs I read about is like this. C'mon, it doesn't have to be made this difficult.

    I'm not quite as sceptical as most around these parts of things blockchain and NFT, but yeah this here ain't the killer app we been waiting for.

    I don't know where he got the scorpions, or how he got them into my mattress.

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  • BropocalypseBropocalypse Registered User regular
    The thing is that although NFTs are dumb as hell, stock investors have heard about a magical collection of computers that maybe made some people very rich. So any company that says they leverage this apparently miraculous artifact that will make them billionaires overnight, those investors will dump their cash into that company. It's not relevant that they don't know what it is, or that they're ignorant to the fact that NFTs have no capability of producing wealth(they only shuffle it around).
    It's a PURELY speculative market. Consider the South Sea Company, or the more recent housing market bubble. Same shit.

  • Radiated RoninRadiated Ronin Registered User regular
    OWN a game? Ha ha ha! That's just crazy talk! I suppose you want the game to work at launch as well, huh? Such standards you insist on!

    I dig your crazy mouth music and want to subscribe to your newsletter!

  • islingtonislington Registered User regular
    I occurs to me that i think most people would be considerably less confused by what NFT's are if they were more properly labeled as "DRM". Is there a difference?

  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    islington wrote: »
    I occurs to me that i think most people would be considerably less confused by what NFT's are if they were more properly labeled as "DRM". Is there a difference?

    Yes. DRM keeps you from reselling (and sometimes using) something you bought digitally. With NFTs, you never actually even bought anything.

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