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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    How are we treating compilations?

    Are you talking like a final fantasy origins or a warioware

    Like the Master Chief Collection, Rare Replay, or Super Mario All-Stars

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    How are we treating compilations?

    It has to be per game, right? You couldn't claim "Collection of Mana" for the Switch

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    ArteenArteen Adept ValeRegistered User regular
    Games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and Halo: Master Chief Collection are compilations, but they are also remasters and the definitive versions of their respective games.

    Then there are compilations like "Sega Genesis Classics", which are little more than a fancy menu for dozens of pre-existing games.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Arteen wrote: »
    Games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and Halo: Master Chief Collection are compilations, but they are also remasters and the definitive versions of their respective games.

    Then there are compilations like "Sega Genesis Classics", which are little more than a fancy menu for dozens of pre-existing games.

    on the other hand, does selecting a sega rom from a slapped-together interface influence the experience of the game? Does it not make it feel a bit more disposable, a bit more like just one piece of something else instead of a complete work in its own right? Does the ability to save states or rewind the game not put a little bit of distance between yourself and the game? Does clicking a sega cartridge into place and sitting on the floor a few feet from a CRTV not have an inherently different feeling to it than flicking a thumbstick or a mouse wheel through a menu to load up gunstar heroes, get bored after dying twice and loading up vectorman instead?

    my personal gut reaction would be that when we're talking about a game we're talking about it as it originally released, and we're talking about a blend of all the different versions of it that released simultaneously, with exceptions made for significantly divergent ports. If only because otherwise this list is going to end up turning into 50 different compilations, which doesn't really get at what we're trying to get at here.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    I mean I would argue for Mass Effect 2, but I would cut Mass Effect Trilogy.

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    ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    Remove: Threes!
    Add: Monster Hunter Rise

    -- Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Lode runner
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Monkey Ball
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Warpath (97)
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

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    MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Personally, I would argue against compilations as they feel like cheap outs. A game needs to stand on it's own merits, not the merits of being a part of a popular series or a grouping of beloved games.

    "Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Arteen wrote: »
    Games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and Halo: Master Chief Collection are compilations, but they are also remasters and the definitive versions of their respective games.

    Then there are compilations like "Sega Genesis Classics", which are little more than a fancy menu for dozens of pre-existing games.

    My opinion is that graphical and audio remasters should not be counted as separate entries but any remaster or remake that does notable technical work does

    I don't think compilations generally should be included as their own entries unless there is an unlikely event wherein a compilation has its own unique content (like what that kh3 prologue had at release)

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    if collections are allowed then the Orange Box is a good way to get some heavy hitters on the list

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Remove: Threes!
    Add: Monster Hunter Rise

    -- Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Lode runner
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Monkey Ball
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Warpath (97)
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    We've reached the first replacement that's made me personally mad, by the way

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Arteen wrote: »
    Games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and Halo: Master Chief Collection are compilations, but they are also remasters and the definitive versions of their respective games.

    Then there are compilations like "Sega Genesis Classics", which are little more than a fancy menu for dozens of pre-existing games.

    on the other hand, does selecting a sega rom from a slapped-together interface influence the experience of the game? Does it not make it feel a bit more disposable, a bit more like just one piece of something else instead of a complete work in its own right? Does the ability to save states or rewind the game not put a little bit of distance between yourself and the game? Does clicking a sega cartridge into place and sitting on the floor a few feet from a CRTV not have an inherently different feeling to it than flicking a thumbstick or a mouse wheel through a menu to load up gunstar heroes, get bored after dying twice and loading up vectorman instead?

    my personal gut reaction would be that when we're talking about a game we're talking about it as it originally released, and we're talking about a blend of all the different versions of it that released simultaneously, with exceptions made for significantly divergent ports. If only because otherwise this list is going to end up turning into 50 different compilations, which doesn't really get at what we're trying to get at here.

    I agree with basically everything here, with one notable exception: I think generally certain kinds of games as service need to be judged across the breadth of their lives, not upon release

    You'll see what I mean with my next nomination

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Remove: Threes!
    Add: Monster Hunter Rise

    -- Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Lode runner
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Monkey Ball
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Warpath (97)
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    We've reached the first replacement that's made me personally mad, by the way

    Yeah Ive had one or two already.

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    #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Remove: Lode Runner
    Add: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

    -- Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Monkey Ball
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Warpath (97)
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    #pipe on
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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Removing Super Monkey Ball (Because I think there is a better game in the series)
    Adding Hitman (2016)
    - Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Warpath (97)
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    WeedLordVegeta on
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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Team Fortress 2 is very near the top of my personal list of favorites and I would also like it to be on this list. Admittedly TF2 might actually have gotten worse with some of its update, but for years the PA forums TF2 servers were active and filled almost every night.

    I don't have a lot of words, I'll just say: Critical hits are amazing, critical hits are complete bullshit.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    remove Advance Wars: Days of Ruin
    add 999

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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Removing Warpath and adding Sims 3.

    Edit: sorry, missed the 999 addition, updated list...

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Driver: San Francisco
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    Lindsay Lohan on
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    ArteenArteen Adept ValeRegistered User regular
    Remove: Driver: San Francisco
    Add: Super Smash Bros. Melee

    Melee is unsurpassed by any of the other Smash Bros games and is one of my favorite games ever. Later Smash games have more characters and stages and all that, but they aren't as fun or satisfying to play. The community is still going strong 20 years later.

    Driver: San Francisco was fun and had a neat gimmick, but I immediately forgot it existed as soon as I put it down.

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Saints Row 2
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Remove: Everything
    Add: All 50 editions of Skyrim

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Unfortunately, Everything hasn't been added to the list yet, though I agree it was a disappointing game

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    This is honestly not a bad list, considering how briefly we've been at this and how chaotic scientific the process is

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Remove Saints Row 2
    Add Chrono Trigger (DS)

    Chrono Trigger holds claim to the title of greatest RPG of all time, not just JRPG. It spans eras, has a dozen endings, plays with time in different ways, a great cast, satisfying combat, an incredible soundtrack and contrary to the bloat many RPGs have, clocks in at around 22 hours.

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    Kelor on
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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    Can someone sell me on why Double Dash vs Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? I get the nostalgia factor, but 8 feels like the better game.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    Remove Saints Row 2
    Add Chrono Trigger (DS)

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    Ooooooo man. Saints Row 2 is really something special, though. I don't know how I feel about using the DS version either.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Peewi wrote: »
    Team Fortress 2 is very near the top of my personal list of favorites and I would also like it to be on this list. Admittedly TF2 might actually have gotten worse with some of its update, but for years the PA forums TF2 servers were active and filled almost every night.

    I don't have a lot of words, I'll just say: Critical hits are amazing, critical hits are complete bullshit.

    I personally think TF2 needs to be in there. It single handedly changed the competitive 1st person shooter game and paved the way for almost all modern iterations, including battle royales etc. But more than being influential, it's also a remarkably simple, and yet perfectly balanced and addictive game. Literally the only flaws in the game are caused by toxic players and bots.

    Remove: Etrian Odyssey V
    Add: Team Fortress 2

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Team Fortress 2
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    #pipe on
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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Can someone sell me on why Double Dash vs Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? I get the nostalgia factor, but 8 feels like the better game.

    Co-op adds something special.

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Remove The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
    Add Radiant Silvergun

    Maybe a genre placeholder for now, but it should be a decent addition for its type. And BotW is absurd for a 50 best of all time list with this few arcade & pre 8 bit home console games that already has an okay Zelda game on it.

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Radiant Silvergun
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    Yikes. I can't see letting the only Zelda representation be MM. I'd much prefer LTTP. Thoughts?

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    #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    Can someone sell me on why Double Dash vs Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? I get the nostalgia factor, but 8 feels like the better game.

    Double Dash with 2 players on the same kart is honestly some of the most fun I've ever had with local multi player. It is so so so much fun.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    The New Hitman trilogy is incredible, good call.

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Majora's Mask is very good. Definitely a contender for best Zelda overall. Close enough for me that I'm satisfied with it as the Zelda rep on the list.

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Yikes. I can't see letting the only Zelda representation be MM. I'd much prefer LTTP. Thoughts?

    That would always be my choice for a single Zelda on a list.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Yikes. I can't see letting the only Zelda representation be MM. I'd much prefer LTTP. Thoughts?

    Replace something and see what happens

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Remove: Guild Wars: Factions
    Add: Stardew Valley

    Why fight when we can farm. Let us turn our swords to plowshares.

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Picross 3D: Round 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Radiant Silvergun
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Stardew Valley
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    Poorochondriac on
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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Yikes. I can't see letting the only Zelda representation be MM. I'd much prefer LTTP. Thoughts?

    Why not? It's the best one.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited January 2022
    I'm sorry but why is this not here

    Remove: Picross 3D: Round 2
    Add: Undertale

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Radiant Silvergun
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Stardew Valley
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Undertale
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner[/quote]

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Remove Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
    Add Pirates! Gold

    The 2004 remake was pretty faithful but it lost a lot of the charm of the original pixel art.

    -- 999
    -- Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
    -- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    -- Cities: Skylines
    -- City of Heroes
    -- Chrono Trigger (DS)
    -- Dark Souls 2
    -- Dead Cells
    -- Deus Ex
    -- Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction
    -- Disco Elysium
    -- Dr. Mario & Puzzle League
    -- Etrian Odyssey V
    -- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
    -- Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker
    -- Guild Wars: Factions
    -- Hitman (2016)
    -- Hollow Knight
    -- Homeworld
    -- Ico
    -- Katamari Damacy
    -- Kentucky Route Zero
    -- Legend of Mana
    -- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
    -- Mario Kart: Double Dash
    -- Monster Hunter Rise
    -- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    -- Pathologic 2
    -- Pirates! Gold
    -- Outer Wilds
    -- Quake
    -- Radiant Silvergun
    -- Resident Evil 2 (2019)
    -- Rock Band
    -- Shadow of the Colossus
    -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
    -- Sims 3 (PC)
    -- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (& Knuckles)
    -- Spelunky
    -- Super Metroid
    -- Super Smash Bros. Melee
    -- Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together (2010)
    -- Terraria
    -- Tetris (Game Boy)
    -- Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
    -- Undertale
    -- Wasteland (1998)
    -- XCOM: UFO Defense (1994)
    -- Xenoblade Chronicles X
    -- Zone of the Enders 2: The Second Runner

    Kane Red Robe on
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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    Well, we're at 50 games on here, so, ya knew this was coming...

    -- Remove Puyo Puyo Tetris 2
    -- Add Tetris (there's more than one? Gameboy SNES or whatever)

    Alright, welp, time to make my case

    I think it is entirely reasonable to fight for the original GameBoy Tetris to be on this list. It's not the first Tetris, but it's an early one, and is sort of the posterboy for "classic" Tetris. If you think of Tetris, your mind probably snaps to the GameBoy or the NES version. Basically everyone's played them, and I mean everyone; your grandma might suddenly reveal that she's just low-key one of the best Tetris players in the world, and that rules. It's fuckin' Tetris, it doesn't need me arguing for it.

    Some folks tend to balk at modern Tetris, which enshrines former exploits like T-spins into its ruleset and which gives you the option to hold onto a block, or if you're really nitpicky you might be upset about the grab-bag RNG that ensures an equal distribution of pieces. Tetris is a very beloved, very simple, very pure game, so I understand the negative reaction to changing even one hair on its head. That said, if you really spend a lot of time deep into Tetris, these changes all make a lot of sense. They open the game up to a greater degree of strategic decisions, which are particularly valuable in the competitive variation of the game, but which also allow for tactical thought and expressivity even in solo play, without intruding on the core identity of the game; do you go for straightforward Tetrises or higher-scoring T-spins that are more complicated to set up? Do you use your Hold to save a valuable piece or to send an inconvenient piece away? These are absolutely changes for the better. Watching a pro play Old Tetris is still pretty dazzling, because it's like watching someone wrestle a freight train, and it's super impressive to see someone bend such a stubborn, unforgiving game any which way they want to. High-level play of modern Tetris is still beautiful in its own right though. There's an elegance to it, and it moves so fast that you can barely even parse individual moves, even though you can follow the overarching flow of the game. If this appeal fails I'm definitely still gonna be fighting tooth and nail to get some version of modern Tetris on the list alongside the old variety. I think Tetris is a Big Enough Deal that it can justify two slots on the list.

    Puyo Puyo is much less popular, especially in the west, but it's a fascinating game. It's extremely simple on its face, with a ruleset that doesn't look that different from say, Candy Crush. But a few key differences in its rulest make it a game with nigh-on infinite depth. Combine that with its focus on two-player versus and it is in my opinion sincerely one of the greatest competitive games ever made, with a skill ceiling that rivals or exceeds most fighting games but controls and rules that are so simple that I understood how it worked when I was 5. Just like with Tetris, if this appeal doesn't do it for anybody I'm prepared to get real annoying and burn a lotta posts to get some version or another of Puyo Puyo on the list.

    Puyo Puyo Tetris is the Reese's Cup of competitive puzzlers. Mashing up two of the greatest puzzle games ever made is a brilliant idea, and the PPT games have as much fun with the concept as they can. You can play Tetris vs. someone playing Puyo. You can play party game modes that drop Tetris blocks and Puyos into the same well. You can play my favorite mode, Swap, where you play Tetris against an opponent for 25 seconds before switching over to a Puyo board, which then switches back after another 25 seconds, forcing both players to keep both games in their head simultaneously and allowing for combo chains that extend across both boards. You can just play Tetris vs. Tetris or Puyo vs. Puyo, or play both games in single player. There's a tutorial mode with "lessons" designed by pro-level players of both games to help you get your hands on the lower rungs of the ladder to high-level play. There's an entire story mode that's basically a light-hearted, cartoonish visual novel about the cast of Puyo Puyo meeting aliens from a Tetris dimension; visual novels are generally not really my speed so I'll admit that this mode sort of fails to hold my interest, but my point in bringing it up is that it's really a package that has something for everyone. As for why PPT2 specifically, It's mostly a toss-up between it and PPT1. 2 has more playable characters (which ultimately matter very little, but still) and just a little extra visual flair, but they are functionally the exact same game. I'd be perfectly happy with either of them being here.

    But honestly, actual virtues of the game aside, I'd say that someone should put Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 onto the list just to stop me from trying to eat up two slots with different versions of Puyo Puyo and modern Tetris. This is the most efficient way to get both games on the list. This block is droppin' no matter what, and I think we'd all be happier if we just T-spun it into an open cranny instead of letting it pile up on top.

    Reese's peanut butter cups taste like vomit though.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    @Kayne Red Robe can you to add Undertale to yours?

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited January 2022
    Under extreme duress because I hate that game but yes, 1 second.

    Done, Picross 3D is a master class of a puzzle game, and I am salty about taking it off the list. just so we're aware

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