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[Hearthstone] Trial and Error

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited July 18
    OK, Kidnap is better than I realized. I assumed after they killed the sack they'd respawn the minion on their board, but it actually puts it back in their hand. Unless they had some cheapo minion or high value Battlecry to play in it, that's some potentially huge tempo disruption.

    In a vacuum, that Secret package has some pretty good Tempo Rogue potential, but I think 4 Secrets (that will generally be triggered pretty quickly) is too few for the payoff cards, especially compared to the nonsense that Rogue can pull right now.

    Edit:
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    I am underwhelmed by those two secrets.

    I miss the old rogue secrets

    It's worth noting the sacked minion goes back in hand. Not sure that makes it better or worse.
    In most cases I would say that makes it better. It's far more tempo disruptive for them to have to completely replay the minion. Only wimpy Minions with good Battlecries are things you're going to be happy about not having stick on the board. If you're the Rogue you definitely don't want to pop out Kidnap after they've played a School Teacher, for example.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    I am underwhelmed by those two secrets.

    I miss the old rogue secrets

    It's worth noting the sacked minion goes back in hand. Not sure that makes it better or worse.

    I assume battlecries still trigger before its sacked?

    forty
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Since the wording is "After your opponent plays a minion", I would be shocked if it didn't activate after a Battlecry resolves.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Some more legendaries I hadn't seen yet:

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    Another solid payoff card (like the location) for any sort of miracle Rogue type deck. Heck, it's not even bad as a turn 3 + coin play. Seems useful.

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    lul another Totem legendary.

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    Steal Priest becomes literal Steal Priest. Seems too slow, but a meme card that would definitely piss people off when it works. I'm curious if you can only Steal a card from deck/hand, or if it would steal a minion played on the board as well.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Rogues are indeed getting new secrets this set:
    Whoops, this one got past my search since it's not technically a Rogue card:

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    Of course this doesn't help with Private Eye, but it is another chance for Rogue to get secrets in play (that it has to pay full mana for, so... eh).

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited July 19
    forty wrote: »
    Some more legendaries
    Steal Priest becomes literal Steal Priest. Seems too slow, but a meme card that would definitely piss people off when it works. I'm curious if you can only Steal a card from deck/hand, or if it would steal a minion played on the board as well.

    It steals from play as well, but it needs to be that exact card and not the other copy your opponent has, otherwise you gain the other one while your opponent still has his minion/location on board.

    Card needs to be alive as well. If it's already dead or the spell already played you won't get it.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    All that is how I expected the card to work (other than stealing the minion in play, which seemed like it could go either way). Definitely an interesting mechanic, but (fortunately) I don't feel like it will come up too often.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Strong candidate for WTF card of the expansion:

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    I'm assuming it's like a counter but it goes to the sack instead. So no battlecries triggered.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Strong candidate for WTF card of the expansion:

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
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    what a world

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  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
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    Glad I had fun with Fires of Zin-Azshari while I could.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    All these secrets - what card neutralizes secrets this round?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    The Judge wrote: »
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    Glad I had fun with Fires of Zin-Azshari while I could.

    My Faelin colossal minions!!

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Jesus christ Steamcleaner is a fucking nuclear missile

    That's gonna be huge. Wild, even, like what the hell.

    Better sniper than Mutanus, even. Wow!! What the hell!!

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    i don't think it's going to be very impactful

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    Jesus christ Steamcleaner is a fucking nuclear missile

    That's gonna be huge. Wild, even, like what the hell.

    Better sniper than Mutanus, even. Wow!! What the hell!!
    People tend to overestimate how much tech cards will be played, especially ones that are pricey and/or have unimpressive stat lines. It has to be strong in enough matchups to matter, and people have to make the call to cut a better card in their deck to run it (some decks have more capacity for cramming in a tech card, but others are too tight).

    Sure this thing basically instakills Prestor Druid if you draw it in time, but it's just a crappy 5 mana 5/5 against a lot of popular decks too. It's rarely useful against Rogue, Quest Hunter, Big Spell Mage, Control Shaman.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Dibby wrote: »
    Jesus christ Steamcleaner is a fucking nuclear missile

    That's gonna be huge. Wild, even, like what the hell.

    Better sniper than Mutanus, even. Wow!! What the hell!!
    People tend to overestimate how much tech cards will be played, especially ones that are pricey and/or have unimpressive stat lines. It has to be strong in enough matchups to matter, and people have to make the call to cut a better card in their deck to run it (some decks have more capacity for cramming in a tech card, but others are too tight).

    Sure this thing basically instakills Prestor Druid if you draw it in time, but it's just a crappy 5 mana 5/5 against a lot of popular decks too. It's rarely useful against Rogue, Quest Hunter, Big Spell Mage, Control Shaman.

    I'm mostly thinking in terms of Wild, honestly

    I don't play Standard anymore so I have no idea what's going on over there, but there's all kinds of bullshit still running rampant in Wild

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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Steamcleaner does nothing in Wild. We only play good cards there /s.

    More seriously here's a rough outline of Wild atm.

    Copper Hunter (an aggro-combo deck that pops off with a bunch of small cheap beasts and charging Scavenging Hyena)
    Pirate Rogue
    Big Priest (Neptulon & Blood of G'huun)
    Shaman piles (Snowfall Guardian and poisonous Flurgl are good and enable any archetype you want)
    Turns Quest Mage

    None of them add cards to their deck.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    I'm in the gutter ranks so I'm up against trash like Quest decks and stuff still :T

    I DUNNO IT'D HELP THERE

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    I'm in the gutter ranks so I'm up against trash like Quest decks and stuff still :T

    I DUNNO IT'D HELP THERE

    No it wouldn’t, it attacks the deck. Quest rewards go to the hand

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    It'll help Dibby stay in the gutter ranks to keep playing trash like Quest decks forever.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited July 21
    Dibby wrote: »
    I'm in the gutter ranks so I'm up against trash like Quest decks and stuff still :T

    I DUNNO IT'D HELP THERE

    No it wouldn’t, it attacks the deck. Quest rewards go to the hand

    Motherfuck I misread the card NEVERMIND CARD'S TRASH
    forty wrote: »
    It'll help Dibby stay in the gutter ranks to keep playing trash like Quest decks forever.

    FUCK U I'M PLAYING AGGRO DH

    Dibby on
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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Steamcleaner hard counters Quest Priest.

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    playing good cards hard counters quest priest

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Heads up for Twitch Prime users, the July Hearthstone reward of a random Standard Legendary became available to claim. However, it might be worth waiting until after the expansion releases to claim it so you've got a better shot at a new (and hopefully useful) Leggo.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
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    Did this get posted in here yet? This looks like a "we still haven't learned our lesson" card.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    obviously optimized decks aren't the name of the game in the prerelease events but the wildseed packages in hunter have looked pretty good. even with it being random there's just so much stats for your mana.

    also important from the prerelease is the animation for the mage skeleton deathrattles is FAST

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    CARIEL'S WEAPON REDUCES THE DAMAGE DENATHRIUS DOES TO HER????? jesus fucking christ i hate that card

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    Steamcleaner hard counters Quest Priest.

    It’s possible to play the 5 mana reward and then discover the shard in the same turn.

    forty
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Yeah, it appears the Denathrius damage does not work like C'Thun (X number of sequential 1 damage hits) and instead determines how much it's going to randomly hit each target ahead of time (presumably without overkilling) and then does all the assigned damage to each target in one big chunk.

    So... bad against Cariel, yeah.

    That makes me wonder how it behaves against Divine Shield. Either really badly (all damage wasted hitting the shield) or it's able to break hits against Divine Shield minions into two phases? If it's the latter, that was probably a lot of smart new tech they had to build for this card.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
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    Did this get posted in here yet? This looks like a "we still haven't learned our lesson" card.

    This dude, brann or a 1 cost minion, then whatever bonkers 10 drop you want

    forty
  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Yup, the card seems nuts.

    Druid can go Oracle of Elune, Kael, double 10 drop for 9 mana. Which of course means like turn 5 or 6.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Alphagaia wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Some more legendaries
    Steal Priest becomes literal Steal Priest. Seems too slow, but a meme card that would definitely piss people off when it works. I'm curious if you can only Steal a card from deck/hand, or if it would steal a minion played on the board as well.

    It steals from play as well, but it needs to be that exact card and not the other copy your opponent has, otherwise you gain the other one while your opponent still has his minion/location on board.

    Card needs to be alive as well. If it's already dead or the spell already played you won't get it.
    Oh man he steals played Secrets as well.

    I wonder about Dormant minions though...

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited July 22
    I imagine it works the exact same way as a minion. and go to your side. If it's dormant it will awake at the start of your turn ofcourse, if able, and it would count the ticks already lost.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    It seems like an unstoppable force meets an immovable object type situation with the game mechanics we know, because so far Dormant minions are considered completely immune from any interactions.

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    I very much doubt dormant cards are safe from this effect, but we'll see.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Yup, the card seems nuts.

    Druid can go Oracle of Elune, Kael, double 10 drop for 9 mana. Which of course means like turn 5 or 6.

    I wonder how he interacts with Ivus.

    Sinstrider, Ivus to clean out the mana bar, then a 0 mana monster.

  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
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