[Hearthstone] Tripping into Second Class | No Boarding allowed

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited August 1
    I swear the dad legend climb has been getting harder and harder over the last year or so. This month was the hardest slog I can remember. After mostly treading water in D10-D9 with handbuff paladin I decided to give up on that path and crafted Eliza and went with Alphagaia's Corpse Rainbow DK (Props! Not nearly as bait as the infinite Reska deck :) ). It was still a slow climb that took a lot of win 2->lose 2->win 2->lose 1 clawing, but I was able to get to dad legend right at the end of the month. It's a fun deck that can win a few different ways, but in this meta you do often just get out-aggroed, OTK'd, or unable to push through control.

    I saw Cantelope playing a different sort of Eliza Rainbow DK deck but didn't get a deck code. It was more aggressive and low curve. The only card above 4 is Reska (so essentially 4 is the highest cost card). I kind of wanted to try it, but at that point I was already D7 or so and didn't want to risk dropping a bunch trying out a new deck when I had one that was working.

    forty on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Oops, All Ramp Druids

  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited August 2
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Oops, All Ramp Druids

    Buf Pally is your friend against those.

    Edit:

    This is also a great counter. The goal is to Deathgrowl Frostbitten Freebooter and Druid kills himself if he uses the drinks. It's also pretty quick and good versus Buffy. Versus Warrior you can either go freeze if you are quick enough or steal all his big mecha with Reska and death growl if your hand turns out slow. I really like it, though I think it can be improved. Very near tier 1.

    ### Freezer
    # Class: Death Knight
    # Format: Standard
    # Year of the Pegasus
    #
    # 2x (0) Horn of Winter
    # 2x (1) Death Growl
    # 2x (1) Tidepool Pupil
    # 2x (2) Corpsicle
    # 2x (2) Dreadhound Handler
    # 2x (2) Frost Strike
    # 2x (2) Mining Casualties
    # 2x (2) Slippery Slope
    # 2x (3) Acolyte of Death
    # 1x (3) Chillfallen Baron
    # 2x (3) Crop Rotation
    # 2x (3) Frostbitten Freebooter
    # 2x (4) Horizon's Edge
    # 2x (4) Might of Menethil
    # 1x (4) Yelling Yodeler
    # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
    # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
    # 1x (5) Perfect Module
    # 1x (5) Ticking Module
    # 1x (20) Reska, the Pit Boss
    #
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    #
    # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

    Alphagaia on
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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Based on the stats, I expect paladin nerfs (Showdown and Handbuff) next week (along with others).

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    That new Lamp minion's battlecry should hit a random enemy, not a targeted enemy.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    >be me
    >be warlock
    >have 50 health
    >elemental rogue with no board
    >elemental rogue

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    can we nerf this piece of shit card though

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    You just don't like Rogue beats you at your own game.

    Joking aside, you are playing a much slower deck, compared to Rogue, so by giving him enough time you allowed this to happen.

    That being said, I do think the ticks of damage should be random.

    Wanna try my Mario Maker levels?

    Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
    P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
    Raiding the Serpents Tomb 1A04-0000-0098-C11E
    I like to move it, move it FCE2-0000-00D7-9048

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    >be me
    >be warlock
    >have 50 health
    >elemental rogue with no board
    >elemental rogue

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    can we nerf this piece of shit card though

    Dibby: I just wanna earn a card through a bunch of hoops and then play and bounce and replay it over and over directly destroying my opponent's health🥳

    Also Dibby: This rogue is bullshit, they buff a card through a series of hoops and then play and bounce and replay it over and over directly destroying my health 😡

  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    But Dibby is right, though. The only bullshit decks are all the ones that beat you when you play against them. Any decks you play are fair and fine.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    other peoples' bullshit is Not Okay because it's Not Fun and makes me upset and angy

    but my bullshit is Okay because it's Fun and makes me happy and sparks joy

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    everyone get in the car we're getting dibby's ass

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    YEAH!

    Wait. Why is Dibby driving?

    Wanna try my Mario Maker levels?

    Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
    P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
    Raiding the Serpents Tomb 1A04-0000-0098-C11E
    I like to move it, move it FCE2-0000-00D7-9048

    See my profile here!
  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    On deck this week:

    Nerfs:
    Hydration Station
    Inventor Boom
    Zilliax 3000 (Ticking Module)
    Lamplighter
    Concierge
    Chia Drake

    Buffs:
    Ryecleaver
    Ranger Gilly
    Razzle-Dazzler
    Natural Talent
    Buttons
    Cruise Captain Lora
    Tsunami
    Service Ace
    Twilight Medium
    Nightshade Tea
    Conniving Conman

    Last pint: Ridgeback Red / Block 15 - Untappd: TheJudge_PDX
  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    Sweet, I have a golden Concierge and Lamplighter.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Zilliax nerf #4! Let's go!

  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    Free golden pack in the store.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Yet another 4 common 1 rare golden pack does not motivate me to ever buy golden packs, Blizzard.

  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Yet another 4 common 1 rare golden pack does not motivate me to ever buy golden packs, Blizzard.

    I think I bought 6 golden packs last expansion, trying to hit the "first 10 packs, get a legendary" timer which I am 99% works for those too, but wasn't 100% certain and then got discouraged and quit buying the packs since one didn't pop and because I felt like I was burning up gold. Thankfully there were some good nerfs out of those packs so the dust back was nice.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited August 8
    New Battlegrounds Season inc.

    Trinkets are the New Thing. They're literally just Quests Minus The Quest. Like straight up "here's the reward immediately no jumping through hoops and hurdles to get it". You just pay with gold now.

    Ehhh?? We'll see how it goes I guess...

    The good news is that it looks like Spells are just a permanent fixture in the Tavern now, which is great. I really like Spells! I was worried that they were gonna rotate them out, but looks like they're here to stay.

    AND BUDDIES ARE GONE THANK FUCK

    Dibby on
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  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Yet another 4 common 1 rare golden pack does not motivate me to ever buy golden packs, Blizzard.

    . . . uh, yes, totally the same over here.

    Definitely not a Signature Chillin' Vol'jin or some other specifically specific example.

    Last pint: Ridgeback Red / Block 15 - Untappd: TheJudge_PDX
  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    Hot off the presses:

    Nerfs:
    Hydration Station - Card text now reads "Resurrect 3 of your different highest Cost Taunt minions."
    Inventor Boom - Card text now reads "Resurrect two different friendly Mechs that cost (5) or more. They attack random enemies."
    Zilliax Deluxe 3000 (Ticking Module) - Decreased to 4 mana, card text now reads "Costs (1) less for each friendly minion."
    Lamplighter - now a 4 mana 4/3
    Concierge - now 4 mana
    Chia Drake - now a 2/4 (buff reverted)

    Buffs -
    The Ryecleaver - weapon now costs 5 mana, sandwich costs 4 mana
    Ranger Gilly - now 5 mana
    Razzle-Dazzler - now 6 mana
    Natural Talent - the cards generated now costs (2) less
    Buttons - now a 4 mana 4/4
    Cruise Captain Lora - now 6 mana
    Tsunami - now 10 mana, summons 4 3/6 Water Elementals
    Service Ace - now a 2 mana 2/3
    Twilight Medium - now a 5 mana 4/5
    Nightshade Tea - now 1 mana, deals 2 damage to enemy minion
    Conniving Conman - card text now reads "Battlecry: Replay the last card you’ve played from a non-Rogue class." (This is primarily a change for Paladin)

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  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    I was really hoping some of the cards that got de-buffed while simultaneously also getting a buff would also be eligible for a refund, but that was clearly too greedy on my part.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Two golden Hydration Stations, whoo!!

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Does nerfing Concierge's mana cost actually do anything???

    Isn't the problem that it can reduce card costs to 0?? Just slap a "Can't be reduced below 1 mana" on it??????

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    i mean it's not like you play concierge and then just kill them with two one cost spells. you do want to actually play other cards that cost mana on that turn

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited August 9
    Dibby wrote: »
    Does nerfing Concierge's mana cost actually do anything???

    Isn't the problem that it can reduce card costs to 0?? Just slap a "Can't be reduced below 1 mana" on it??????
    It delays the Druid's ability to OTK by a turn, so yes. It will still feel bad to lose to, but I think it's unlikely it's a T1 deck after the nerfs.

    On the other hand, since the other top decks got nerfed, maybe OTK Druid will still be too good.

    Edit: It's kind of an annoying nerf because there were other classes trying to utilize it that weren't ridiculous, but now those decks are in more rough shape solely because of Druid.

    forty on
  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    Concierge probably should have been reduce costs to not less than (1). There is so much mana acceleration/reduction in this game, I really think making cards cost (0) should be a thing of the past, or at least extremely rare.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    I think that's what most people were hoping for/expecting when they saw Concierge was going to be nerfed.

  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    They sure did make a set with dual class options and decided mana ramp should both A: be printed again and B: let Warrior in on the action

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  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    You can get some mileage playing any brand of Warrior right now since every third or fourth opponent insta-concedes.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
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    through sheer willpower and determination i have once again made it to dad legend with Excavate Warlock!!!!!

    Good Deck. No one ever fucking expects it because I'm the only one crazy enough to be laddering with it. But holy goddamn does it feast on all these slow-ass greedy fuckin decks!!! Warrior? Rush the Excavates and start bouncin' the Snek, they're too fucking slow to start setting up a massively annoying board to dome me (and if they do, hey, I have 2x Gul'dan's Gifts, Large Sarge, and Yogg in ETC's pocket). Even more doable now without the fucking Unkilliax wall. Druid is annoying as fuck still because of Doomkin and shit. But if you can rush Excavates and control the board it's very doable. Priest is a FICKLE LIL SNAKEY-ASS BITCH I fuckin' can't with them, oh my god. Token Shaman or w/e it's called (Evolve Shaman???) is a pain in the fuck because of all the ridiculous token gen and Wave of Nostalgia wiping out my goddamn Mo'args.

    I've been doing... decently well vs the Elemental Trio (Rogue/Shaman/Mage)??? Mage is the easiest to deal with I think, the other two can be a bit shaky. I guess Rogue a bit less now cause of Lamplighter no longer going to 1 mana with Shadowstep. Hunter is dicey as fuck. Warlock... if I can stabilize out I'm generally good. Sometimes I've been able to race them down before they can plonk down Infernal. Fatiguelock is a lot more difficult than Painlock. Paladin is a fuck!!! I swear every time I mull for Flood, it's Handbuff. Every time I mull for Handbuff, it's Flood. Definitely one of the harder matchups, but Flood is easier to deal with I think. Death Knight, if I can stabilize out, I'm generally okay (there was this one DK who got off like 6 Eliza Deathrattles though due to Reborn/Death Growls and holy fucking shit a 7/1 Charge being their Hero Power is disgusting)... Same with DH... I think DK, DH, Painlock are maybe like 50/50s, Hunter and Paladin are really difficult matchups, I SWEAR I have a negative winrate vs Priest (idk how those weasly fucks manage to do it!!). Seems solid vs everything else though.

    But yeah honestly the deck feels pretty good in this meta right now?? Hyper fast aggro decks can still be a bitch, but it feels solid. I certainly ran into my fair share of weird-ass decks on the way up though (Incindius Priest??????)

    Anyways, here's the current up-to-date list:
    ### Excavate Warlock
    # Class: Warlock
    # Format: Standard
    # Year of the Pegasus
    #
    # 2x (1) Demonic Studies
    # 2x (1) Gul'dan's Gift
    # 2x (1) Scarab Keychain
    # 2x (1) Smokestack
    # 2x (2) Endgame
    # 2x (2) Kobold Miner
    # 2x (2) Saloon Brewmaster
    # 2x (2) Youthful Brewmaster
    # 2x (3) "Health" Drink
    # 2x (3) Domino Effect
    # 1x (3) Zola the Gorgon
    # 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
    # 1x (2) Dirty Rat
    # 1x (3) Rustrot Viper
    # 1x (9) Yogg-Saron, Unleashed
    # 2x (4) Mo'arg Drillfist
    # 2x (5) Burrow Buster
    # 1x (5) Symphony of Sins
    # 1x (7) Marin the Manager
    # 1x (9) Sargeras, the Destroyer
    # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
    # 1x (0) Zilliax Deluxe 3000
    # 1x (4) Twin Module
    # 1x (5) Perfect Module
    #
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    #
    # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

    I have learned vs aggro decks the wincon is not bouncing fuckin' Snek, it's to Stay Alive. Clear board, heal up, build board. I keep Large Sarge in aggro matchups. I toss out bounces and Zola on other stuff that isn't Snek to get value there. I will legit toss down Snek full-on raw without bouncing if I need to and if it lets me survive.

    I swapped out Watchers of the Sun and Ignis for "Health" Drinks and Marin, I think that works better. Spot removal was something the deck lacked a lot and hoo boy "Health" Drink really helps with that a lot. Marin is just good, Wonderous Wand is great, Crown is solid as hell for board. Goblet can enable Miracles. ...Kobold is a fucking hail mary option if you're just straight up fucked. I was trying some new neutrals and stuff initially... Travel Agent is very hit or miss and wasn't really what the deck wanted or needed. Mixologist didn't really feel great either. I feel like I just cannot remove Scarab at this point, every other potential option does not feel good. Scarab is too goated. The new 2 drops are all really goated (2 drops in general, tbh). Travel Agent is a 2 drop! I love getting that off of Scarab, rather than running that in my deck. Eat The Imp is a fantastic pull from Scarab since you can cycle VERY fast without losing any health in the process. Bloodsail Recruiter is pretty legit (MARIN IS A PIRATE???). Drink Server is incredible. Plus all the other lovely 2 drops you can get... Dirty Rat, extra Kobolds/Endgames... Audio Amplifier ends up being pretty solid, Audio Medic is fantastic... Loot Hoarder/Gold Panner/Thalnos are solid draw options.. Doomsayer is an amazing pull... buncha value stuff like Dryscale Deputy, Flint Firearm, Hipster, Wandmaker, Watcher of the Sun.. Trapdoor Spider and surprisingly Stereo Totem are really strong.. Rush minions, removal spells, EXTRA BOUNCES LOL. 2 drops. Goated. B)

    Demonic Studies is less consistent now with all the Crap that was added, but is still worth using and still feels very good to run. You won't get Mo'args as often but there's still a lot of really solid Demons you can pull from anyways. Fiddlefire Imp provides really good value, Observer is good for stalling out the enemy board, I legitimately do take Malefic Rook quite often because holy shit a 5/6 for 2 mana HELLO??? the face damage doesn't really matter you can heal it up. I'll take Infernal sometimes to save it for Emergency Healing much later on in the game. Doomguard can be a solid "I need just a tiny bit of extra reach" option. Opera Soloist is still a solid board clear, Dreadlord and Wretched Queen are solid board options.. But the chances of whiffing are higher now, too. It's pretty easy to end up with 3 trash picks. World Pillar Fragment has gotten a bit less reliable/consistent from all the new Elementals as well.


    I do not know if I have it in me to push for Legend AGAIN lmao. Dad Legend is fine, I've proven the deck's worth more than enough times by now.

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  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    I'm saving that deck for the future, but I don't have Symphony of Sins sadly.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Dibby running the only Warlock list this year that doesn't include Pop'gar.

  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    I’m playing Insanitylock and it’s suuuuuper fucking fun. Lots of ways to win, you have to play smart and it’s successful so far.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    I was playing a Warrior deck tonight and I got matched against another Warrior. I put down Hamm the Hungry on Turn 6 and he ate the Hamm out of the opponent's deck.

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    Aaaaaaah!

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    Does nerfing Concierge's mana cost actually do anything???

    Isn't the problem that it can reduce card costs to 0?? Just slap a "Can't be reduced below 1 mana" on it??????

    the vicious syndicate podcast called you out and called you a fool for thinking it would do nothin

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Idx86 wrote: »
    I’m playing Insanitylock and it’s suuuuuper fucking fun. Lots of ways to win, you have to play smart and it’s successful so far.
    It's probably the best deck now. Do your climbing while you can, because I assume it will be next up for nerfs in the next balance patch.

  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    Drink druid is still pretty good. In addition to just killing out of nowhere, it's solid against the popular token decks because everything dies in one or two hits. Then they run out of cards and you kill them anyway.

    Battletag: Threeve#1501; PSN: Threeve703; Steam: 3eeve
  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Dibby running the only Warlock list this year that doesn't include Pop'gar.
    I DON'T HAVE POP'GAR AND I DON'T WANNA CRAFT HIM LMAO
    Idx86 wrote: »
    I'm saving that deck for the future, but I don't have Symphony of Sins sadly.
    You can just sub it for Pop'gar

    Or like, anything, really

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Well I don't have Pop'gar nor Sins! What now, Dibby!?

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