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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The dispute is about the company unilaterally imposing a new "points system" that will penalize workers for taking days off, despite the workers having seven guaranteed days off a month through the union - important when they otherwise do not have set days off and are on 24-hour call.

    Also about them trying to move to a one man on system instead of two, and encouraging/demanding all sorts of unsafe practices.

    In the youtube thread they just posted a bunch of videos about the disaster that apparently instigated the change to a two man system

    Is it the British troop train?

    No, Lac-Megantic.

    At least, one of them said the reform was from that.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Trace wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    "Hey so uh.. we're all really sick. Sorrynotsorry."

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/article257699918.html
    The United States Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled that unionized BNSF workers are temporarily restrained and enjoined from “authorizing, encouraging, permitting, calling, or otherwise engaging in any strikes, work stoppages, picketing, slowdowns, sickouts, or other self-help” against BNSF Railway over the new attendance policy.

    Looks like they might actually get in like, legal trouble if they even try.

    If the judge can put in an injunction to keep them from striking, then they should also be putting an injunction on any new policies implemented without union approval.

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  • StarZapperStarZapper Vermont, Bizzaro world.Registered User regular
    edited January 27
    Trace wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    "Hey so uh.. we're all really sick. Sorrynotsorry."

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/article257699918.html
    The United States Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled that unionized BNSF workers are temporarily restrained and enjoined from “authorizing, encouraging, permitting, calling, or otherwise engaging in any strikes, work stoppages, picketing, slowdowns, sickouts, or other self-help” against BNSF Railway over the new attendance policy.

    Looks like they might actually get in like, legal trouble if they even try.

    If the judge can put in an injunction to keep them from striking, then they should also be putting an injunction on any new policies implemented without union approval.

    Yes, but that's not how capitalism works. That might hurt the job creators feelings.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    edited January 27
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    The dispute is about the company unilaterally imposing a new "points system" that will penalize workers for taking days off, despite the workers having seven guaranteed days off a month through the union - important when they otherwise do not have set days off and are on 24-hour call.

    Also about them trying to move to a one man on system instead of two, and encouraging/demanding all sorts of unsafe practices.

    In the youtube thread they just posted a bunch of videos about the disaster that apparently instigated the change to a two man system

    Is it the British troop train?

    No, Lac-Megantic.

    At least, one of them said the reform was from that.

    Ah yeah just watched a video on that one. 49ish people dead from company cheaping our on maintenance and training.

    Lac-Megantic:


    British troop train:

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    Honestly, aren't most train related wrecks/accidents related to lack of maintenance, lack of appropriately hired labor, and/or abuse of the workers? I remember the last time there was a big train wreck in the east coast hearing that it was because they were running the conductors on insanely long shifts with no rotation leading to fatigue and exhaustion on the conductor's part.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    It's odd filling out a workmans comp claim and you can see they are looking for reasons to deny the claim, and I'm like nah son. He's getting what he's owed.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    Honestly, aren't most train related wrecks/accidents related to lack of maintenance, lack of appropriately hired labor, and/or abuse of the workers? I remember the last time there was a big train wreck in the east coast hearing that it was because they were running the conductors on insanely long shifts with no rotation leading to fatigue and exhaustion on the conductor's part.

    Almost all infrastructure related issues are due to lack of maintenance. Like the fires in California because the power company decided to use 30 year life shackles to hold their power lines for nearly 100 years, to the point they wore through, failed, and dropped the power lines causing billions in damage.

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Yup, cause they’ve held up for so long, the dragons at the top have factored what should be the maintenance money into their profits, and fuck if they’re gonna let anyone else have them

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Matev wrote: »
    Yup, cause they’ve held up for so long, the dragons at the top have factored what should be the maintenance money into their profits, and fuck if they’re gonna let anyone else have them

    It's such a goddamn stupid system. It's the same thing with bosses firing entire teams before the end of the fiscal year to claim they saved money, only then needing to hire and train different people almost immediately after.
    It's the call of "infinite growth". You can't be happy with compounding profits, you have to constantly be screwing yourself to try and get $100,000 year on year growth. In the end you screw the company because long term viability isn't good enough anymore. The economy is a goddamn tragedy these days, and the line workers get screwed at every step.

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    Starbucks Unionization efforts continue unabated across the nation. This time with two stores in my neck of the woods. OP,KS & KC,MO

    .@SBWorkersUnited announces they're filing for union elections at 15 more Starbucks stores, bringing the total to 54 stores in 19 states. Absolute wildfire of organizing. Defcon 1 in Seattle.
    Dave there is a labor reporter for the HuffPost. Which, I see what you did there, irony.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited January 31
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Matev wrote: »
    Yup, cause they’ve held up for so long, the dragons at the top have factored what should be the maintenance money into their profits, and fuck if they’re gonna let anyone else have them

    It's such a goddamn stupid system. It's the same thing with bosses firing entire teams before the end of the fiscal year to claim they saved money, only then needing to hire and train different people almost immediately after.
    It's the call of "infinite growth". You can't be happy with compounding profits, you have to constantly be screwing yourself to try and get $100,000 year on year growth. In the end you screw the company because long term viability isn't good enough anymore. The economy is a goddamn tragedy these days, and the line workers get screwed at every step.

    I still vividly remember sitting in an annual review with my boss (who was actually awesome) and him explaining to me that 20% growth year over year for the company we were working at was actually more like standing still, and therefore unacceptable. It was the first time I realized how fucking insane silicon valley companies are.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I don't like coffee all that much but if we had a local union Starbucks shit. I'd go there like once a week.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Something that has occurred to me. Looking at the bullshit amount of money that many of the parasitic wealthy fuckers bring in. Makes me wonder if they could raise wages to match the cost of living, while keeping prices the same. It would just mean a bunch of fucking parasites would have to just deal with having a lower score on the wealthy douchebag scoreboard.

    Given the bullshit prices that starbucks charges and the subpar quality of most of their offering, they could easily afford to pay their workers better.

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Something that has occurred to me. Looking at the bullshit amount of money that many of the parasitic wealthy fuckers bring in. Makes me wonder if they could raise wages to match the cost of living, while keeping prices the same. It would just mean a bunch of fucking parasites would have to just deal with having a lower score on the wealthy douchebag scoreboard.

    Given the bullshit prices that starbucks charges and the subpar quality of most of their offering, they could easily afford to pay their workers better.

    So far as I can tell, much of what you're talking about has been driven by the past twenty years of financialization, especially after the crash of 2008. Starbucks, et. al. might have, at one time, been keenly aware that putting money back into the quality of the their product and labor would yield greater, long term, results. However, with the way Wall Street is currently structured (thanks to many efforts to deregulate it's many function) doing so is a non-starter. Returning profit in the form of a higher ticker so the stock and be sold and sold again like a NFT is the only thing. If it was about getting a greater dividend or somehow making margins on items better, all of that would be one thing. It would be something we'd have to talk over and examining the underlying reasons for. But that isn't the case. All of this is for one thing and one thing alone. To have a higher stock price.

    What we have seen with respect to prices and labor is about keeping prices put as much as possible. Removing order takers, cashiers, and counter workers isn't about keep costs down. It's about keeping price down. As so many people on social media ask, when you remove people why don't prices fall? It's not because their labor wasn't included in the price of your goods and services. It because they know everyone is price sensitive right now and have been since the 1980s when wage stagnation began to set in. Over the past forty years or so, quality, quantity, and packaging have been sacrificed to keep prices in a pretty stable zone inasmuch as they've not skyrocketed like they should have with the amount of inflation over those same forty years. And now those chickens are coming home to roost. There's nothing left to cut except for labor.

    That's the cost for this last half-century of relative economic stability. We are at a once-in-a-lifetime inflection point with it looking like there's going to be a very hard resurgence of Labor rights, laws, and ideology. One that has otherwise been openly suppressed for that time.

    Grace save us if this movement ever gets caught up with and in the reactionary, populist fascist movement we're seeing politics right now.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Can't help but feel a big factor that people are so price sensitive is that the assholes at the top are pretty keen on ripping off their workers every step of the way. When you're paid fuck all to live off of, prices on necessities going up is going to rankle people because they can barely afford to live with the previous cheaper prices. If employers had to pay people wages they could live off of, not barely survive with, I have to wonder if people would be less worried about the costs adjusted with inflation and other reasonable factors that contribute to price increases.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited January 31
    Grace save us if this movement ever gets caught up with and in the reactionary, populist fascist movement we're seeing politics right now.

    At least right now, that seems unlikely, as the fascist movement going in the US is inextricably linked to the uber rich, who have been funding their own soft revolution for decades.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Grace save us if this movement ever gets caught up with and in the reactionary, populist fascist movement we're seeing politics right now.

    At least right now, that seems unlikely, as the fascist movement going in the US is inextricably linked to the uber rich, who have been funding their own soft revolution for decades.

    Labor movements also are a leftist political movement in that they seek diffusion of power away from an entrenched, wealthy hierarchy; by and large fascist movements are a reaction against that, seeking to preserve the old power hierarchies against such change while claiming they will restore a lost golden era (where such power hierarchies were the order of the day).

    Historically This is why the Weimar conservatives (we’re talking monarchists level) thought they could control the Nazis in trying to suppress the socialists and communists who, dissatisfied by the whole “sent us all off to die brutally while they stayed safe at home
    In the Great War” thing, decided time had come for changes in the existing social order

    In short: fascists hate unions because they break down the power hierarchies that fascists seek to build, entrench and fortify.

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  • asurasur Registered User regular
    edited January 31
    Mill wrote: »
    Something that has occurred to me. Looking at the bullshit amount of money that many of the parasitic wealthy fuckers bring in. Makes me wonder if they could raise wages to match the cost of living, while keeping prices the same. It would just mean a bunch of fucking parasites would have to just deal with having a lower score on the wealthy douchebag scoreboard.

    Given the bullshit prices that starbucks charges and the subpar quality of most of their offering, they could easily afford to pay their workers better.

    Starbucks had revenue of $29.1 billion and operating margin of 16.8% which means profit was $4.888 billion. A quick Google search says 349,000 workers or about $14,000 profit per worker. There's definitely some room as $1 per hour is $2,000 a year for a full time worker.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited January 31
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    asur wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Something that has occurred to me. Looking at the bullshit amount of money that many of the parasitic wealthy fuckers bring in. Makes me wonder if they could raise wages to match the cost of living, while keeping prices the same. It would just mean a bunch of fucking parasites would have to just deal with having a lower score on the wealthy douchebag scoreboard.

    Given the bullshit prices that starbucks charges and the subpar quality of most of their offering, they could easily afford to pay their workers better.

    Starbucks had revenue of $29.1 billion and operating margin of 16.8% which means profit was $4.888 billion. A quick Google search says 349,000 workers or about $14,000 profit per worker. There's definitely some room as $1 per hour is $2,000 a year for a full time worker.

    But won't anyone think of the shareholders!?!

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Grace save us if this movement ever gets caught up with and in the reactionary, populist fascist movement we're seeing politics right now.

    At least right now, that seems unlikely, as the fascist movement going in the US is inextricably linked to the uber rich, who have been funding their own soft revolution for decades.

    Eh. I think Trump demonstrates how thin this line is in many ways. If Trump had actually gone populist in his actions, the US would be in way deeper shit then it is right now. The extent to which the uber rich have a link to the fascist right in the U is entirely via their connection to right-wing propaganda outlets. And Trump very easily swiped that out from right under them and being a dumb lazy rich shit is the only reason he didn't follow through. The riches hold here is powerful but brittle in it's own ways.

    "I'm getting fucked by the rich" populist rage is not incompatible with our current fascism.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

    Hmm

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    My local alt weekly did a good write-up on local and national labor developments. Of note: more Starbucks locations are unionizing right here in Starbucks' own back yard! Be sure to read the follow the link to The Intercept's exposé on Amazon's Veritas program, AKA "Simping for Daddy Bezos via astroturfed Twitter accounts".

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited February 1
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

    That whole thing was so fucking dumb. Watching them all eat each other because a mod made an ass of themselves, by being every reddit nerd stereotype in one package on TV, was really something.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

    Yeah, antiwork has its issues but any such movement kind of necessarily needs to be leftist. I saw a bunch of 'bipartisan' "Republicans are as welcome here as socialists!" posts on workreform that first day or two and was just like...no. People actively voting for Republicans are the people stopping 'work reform'.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Scooter wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

    Yeah, antiwork has its issues but any such movement kind of necessarily needs to be leftist. I saw a bunch of 'bipartisan' "Republicans are as welcome here as socialists!" posts on workreform that first day or two and was just like...no. People actively voting for Republicans are the people stopping 'work reform'.

    Yeah, you literally cannot be a Republican and pro-labor or support broad work reforms. It's antithetical to the Republican platform, the elements are mutually exclusive.

    If somebody is that interested in labor reform (because it would benefit a shitload of current Republicans as well), then they just need to ditch the idea that they're Republicans. Which, sadly, is no less an impossibility for many Americans than "turning" on the favorite sports team. You can't just give up something like that when you've baked it directly into your identity and ego.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Yeah, the political spectrum that can be accurately called pro-labor ends way before the political Spectrum of Democrat.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    I'd expect to see a mainstream labor movement in the US be rife with racism and misogyny and nativism and religious bigotry, because that's implicit in the 'mainstream X in the US' part, but it probably wouldn't be those things in such a way as to help to permanently entrench those values the way conservative/reactionary movements driven from the top do.

    edit: Though I guess that flavor of labor movement might end up self-destructing and turning in on itself in such a way as to allow a reactionary counterstroke.

    Dunno. From /r/antiwork falling thanks to a (now former) mod commiting the sheer stupidity of going to an interview on Fox News to rising up again after 3 days thanks to cleaning house, people are very aware that the only way to keep a movement ongoing is to do a constant effort to keep right-wing infiltrators out. Meanwhile, the alternative sub, /r/workreform, was quickly abandoned after the head mod was discovered to be a libertarian crypto nerd and not cleaning the "race/left-right divisions are keeping the workers from uniting" right-wing co-opting memes.

    That whole thing was so fucking dumb. Watching them all eat each other because a mod made an ass of themselves, by being every reddit nerd stereotype in one package on TV, was really something.

    It was not only that, but it was walking happily like a complete idiot into an obvious trap on enemy territory. And going against the vast consensus of "that's an incredibly stupid idea".

    Also, a bonus. For a good while, a big criticism against the subreddit was that it became a big upvotes farm (highly upvoted accounts are valuable to sell to bot farms and all kinds of influencers) and it came down to a lot of text messages. That everybody also quickly agreed were incredibly, blatanly fake "and then everybody clapped" stories. Which was kind of embarassing to be honest. So, new rule:
    9. No text-message screenshots.
    Text-message screenshots are currently restricted to Sunday only. Please do not post them on any other day of the week.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited February 2
    Oh I agree what the mod did was incredibly stupid. But this happens every time a sub gets huge. The existing mods violate the userbase, usually for greedy reasons. The users revolt and create a new sub with blackjack and hookers, and the cycle starts again. For some reason nobody over there seems to realize that the sub they love so much exists at the leisure of the mods who likely don't hold their ideal of what the sub should be, AND have to deal with all their bullshit day in and out.

    Obviously that news appearance hurt the movement, and they definitely should have created a post saying they were getting interview requests, but I don't think it hurt nearly as much as people were acting.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Domino's reverts to Dave Brandon levels of villainy, creates driver "challenge" to have them work for two fucking months straight without a day off and gets called out on it:
    In a TikTok posted on Jan. 26, Denycia (@denyciadawn) calls out a Domino’s employee promotion, deemed “Survivor: Driver Edition,” that enters its workers into a raffle-like arrangement to win $10,000 if they work 60 days straight, without any tardiness, at multiple locations.

    “If there are numerous people that participated and made it to the end, they divvy that $10,000 up evenly amongst all of the employees,” the TikToker explained. “And then start another round.”

    Whoever thought this up needs to not have a job anymore.

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  • Moridin889Moridin889 Registered User regular
    Domino's reverts to Dave Brandon levels of villainy, creates driver "challenge" to have them work for two fucking months straight without a day off and gets called out on it:
    In a TikTok posted on Jan. 26, Denycia (@denyciadawn) calls out a Domino’s employee promotion, deemed “Survivor: Driver Edition,” that enters its workers into a raffle-like arrangement to win $10,000 if they work 60 days straight, without any tardiness, at multiple locations.

    “If there are numerous people that participated and made it to the end, they divvy that $10,000 up evenly amongst all of the employees,” the TikToker explained. “And then start another round.”

    Whoever thought this up needs to not have a job anymore.

    Outside the harm they are directly inflicting on the employees, did no one check local labor laws? I'm pretty sure there would be issues with making people do that.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Moridin889 wrote: »
    Domino's reverts to Dave Brandon levels of villainy, creates driver "challenge" to have them work for two fucking months straight without a day off and gets called out on it:
    In a TikTok posted on Jan. 26, Denycia (@denyciadawn) calls out a Domino’s employee promotion, deemed “Survivor: Driver Edition,” that enters its workers into a raffle-like arrangement to win $10,000 if they work 60 days straight, without any tardiness, at multiple locations.

    “If there are numerous people that participated and made it to the end, they divvy that $10,000 up evenly amongst all of the employees,” the TikToker explained. “And then start another round.”

    Whoever thought this up needs to not have a job anymore.

    Outside the harm they are directly inflicting on the employees, did no one check local labor laws? I'm pretty sure there would be issues with making people do that.

    I'm sure the asshole exec would argue they aren't making anyone do anything, they just are rewarding "commitment" and "passion"

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    Moridin889 wrote: »
    Domino's reverts to Dave Brandon levels of villainy, creates driver "challenge" to have them work for two fucking months straight without a day off and gets called out on it:
    In a TikTok posted on Jan. 26, Denycia (@denyciadawn) calls out a Domino’s employee promotion, deemed “Survivor: Driver Edition,” that enters its workers into a raffle-like arrangement to win $10,000 if they work 60 days straight, without any tardiness, at multiple locations.

    “If there are numerous people that participated and made it to the end, they divvy that $10,000 up evenly amongst all of the employees,” the TikToker explained. “And then start another round.”

    Whoever thought this up needs to not have a job anymore.

    Outside the harm they are directly inflicting on the employees, did no one check local labor laws? I'm pretty sure there would be issues with making people do that.

    I'm not sure that outside of California, I know of a single state which has any applicable laws. Outside of federal break standards, I don't know which law they would be breaking.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    If they're hourly, that would put them into overtime every week. I bet Domino's didn't think about that when they started running this twisted little contest.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
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    Hacksaw wrote: »
    If they're hourly, that would put them into overtime every week. I bet Domino's didn't think about that when they started running this twisted little contest.

    Dominos probably has it set up that the drivers are contract or gig workers, or all drivers are part time, would be my guess.

    I also love when companies make these obscene bonus structures because you can practically see how little they care about the bottom rung of the company - a bonus plan like this basically encourages bad behavior and cheating because at the end you have to share the pot with everyone else who did it. And typically it's always set up so that pulling off the "goal" is practically unachievable unless you give away a bunch of free time that won't be covered by the bonus and/or you cheat.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    If they're hourly, that would put them into overtime every week. I bet Domino's didn't think about that when they started running this twisted little contest.

    It's not overtime if you get them on 4-6 hours a day.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    If they're hourly, that would put them into overtime every week. I bet Domino's didn't think about that when they started running this twisted little contest.

    I mean, if they are like any hourly position I have known, overtime like that would be punished, so no one gets the $10k.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Overtime just means you're over 40 hours in a week (or in certain conditions as defined by a labor contract, but I doubt that part is relevant here). Could be they're working longer hours on the most active nights and thus brushing up to or past the threshold of 40. Dunno.

    What I do know is that this is a ghastly "competition" on Domino's part and they should be ashamed of it. It's clearly in response to some kind of staffing shortage, almost certainly done with the idea of attracting more delivery drivers in mind.

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    I think California does require a day off or 7th day in a week is OT. But either way that is insane. I worked 14 days straight with no days off once and I was wrecked, nothing got done at home and no real leisure time.

    I cant imagine doing 60.

    This shit is why we have labor laws and need them enforced and unions and such. Disconnected owners are always gonna keep pushing these things.

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