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The [Labor] Thread: strike while the iron is hot!

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Hyundai is making child labor in the US great again:
    Pedro Tzi's children, who have now enrolled for the upcoming school term, were among a larger cohort of underage workers who found jobs at the Hyundai-owned supplier over the past few years, according to interviews with a dozen former and current plant employees and labor recruiters.

    Several of these minors, they said, have foregone schooling in order to work long shifts at the plant, a sprawling facility with a documented history of health and safety violations, including amputation hazards.

    Most of the current and former employees who spoke with Reuters did so on the condition of anonymity. Reuters was unable to determine the precise number of children who may have worked at the SMART factory, what the minors were paid or other terms of their employment.

    Fucked up does not even begin to describe this.

    Alabama, that sounds about right.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    The penalties sound like they were never updated since the laws were introduced in the 30's or 40's. 10k per violation? 50k if the child dies or is injured? What?

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Penn State football does a good thing this time, and begins the next step towards organizing college athletes:



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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular


    Labor solidarity can accomplish even more than just pay and benefit negotiations.

    A bunch of represented worked bailed off his arena show in Seattle when news of his anti-trans views broke publicly. That event almost caused a schism within our union. The ruckus at our monthly general meeting was one for the ages.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular


    Labor solidarity can accomplish even more than just pay and benefit negotiations.

    It's rad, but also he just moved the show to another venue in the city and then proceeded to sell out all his shows there :<

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Sure, but it’s better than rolling over for the bigots. Just because his whole tour isn’t gonna tank doesn’t mean you shouldn’t stand up, especially against your employer, for folks who are victimized because of him.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Rich, selfish people hate being mildly inconvenienced. Every tack you can throw down on the carpet is a win, however small.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Sure, but it’s better than rolling over for the bigots. Just because his whole tour isn’t gonna tank doesn’t mean you shouldn’t stand up, especially against your employer, for folks who are victimized because of him.

    Yea, as I said, it's rad. I guess I'm just greedy. Fuck bigots.

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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    edited July 2022


    Labor solidarity can accomplish even more than just pay and benefit negotiations.

    It's rad, but also he just moved the show to another venue in the city and then proceeded to sell out all his shows there :<

    As someone who lived there for a while: First Avenue is vastly more prestigious (and if I remember correctly, much larger) than the Varsity. It’s hardly a minor thing.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Tynnan wrote: »


    Labor solidarity can accomplish even more than just pay and benefit negotiations.

    It's rad, but also he just moved the show to another venue in the city and then proceeded to sell out all his shows there :<

    As someone who lived there for a while: First Avenue is vastly more prestigious (and if I remember correctly, much larger) than the Varsity. It’s hardly a minor thing.

    Dang, yeah, First Avenue has a bit more than twice the capacity.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Canada might be joining the airline strike fun with WestJet baggage and customer service agents likely to go on strike next week.


    And in the UK they passed the scab law
    Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said:

    “In light of militant trade union action threatening to bring vital public services to a standstill, we have moved at speed to repeal these burdensome,1970s - style restrictions.

    Scab and TERF Island.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    There isnt militant labor action, but thats how you get it

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    There isnt militant labor action, but thats how you get it

    If we make striking illegal, then only criminals will participate in work stoppages.

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    Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    There isnt militant labor action, but thats how you get it

    If we make striking illegal, then only criminals will participate in work stoppages.

    It is the way you get deniable wildcat strikes like mass sick outs.

    Great way to make every worker a criminal.

    He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Rich, selfish people hate being mildly inconvenienced. Every tack you can throw down on the carpet is a win, however small.
    I know what this comment was meant for, but it can apply to so many labor issues. It should be the title of the next labor thread.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Last Week Tonight is John Oliver’s news commentary show


    Amazon started holding 'captive audience' meetings today at ALB1 warehouse in Albany, NY, where workers are unionizing.

    Organizers tell me they gotten signatures from 40% of the warehouse & will file for a union election by end of the weekend.

    A slide from today's session:
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    Hello, workers of Amazon’s ALB1 warehouse! Maybe you’d enjoy this!

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8dUXRpoy8&amp;feature=youtu.be

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Teamsters Local 804 in New York will be rallying Thursday in protest of the heatstroke death of one of their members and the further attempts at dehumanization by UPS


    🚨RALLY THIS THURSDAY JULY 28 🚨
    📷🔥SAFETY NOT SURVEILLANCE🔥📷

    UPS FOSTER AVENUE FACILITY 8AM
    10401 Foster Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11236

    Demand UPS add air conditioning and remove cameras from Package Cars. STOP THE ABUSE

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    There isnt militant labor action, but thats how you get it

    Liz Truss of course plans to double-down on basically making most strikes illegal in the UK.
    In a week when rail unions are planning to strike over pay freezes and job cuts, front-runner Truss said she would introduce a new law in her first 30 days that would guarantee a minimum level of service on "vital national infrastructure" and also raise the minimum threshold for trade union strike votes.

    "We need tough and decisive action to limit trade unions’ ability to paralyse our economy," Truss said in a statement.

    "I will do everything in my power to make sure that militant action from trade unions can no longer cripple the vital services that hard-working people rely on."

    I'm sure it'll be official Tory policy shortly anyway no matter who ends up "winning" here.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Card Kingdom, one of the biggest retailers for Magic: The Gathering worldwide, had their workers win their unionization vote:
    111-16 WE DID IT!!!!
    Card Kingdom Union is exactly what it's name says.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Chick-fil-A compounds their bigotry with good old fashioned wage theft:
    A Chick-fil-A in North Carolina posted a job opportunity on Facebook that offered to pay “volunteers” in chicken, not money.

    The store, in Hendersonville, is celebrating the opening of its new “Drive Thru Express” like this: “We are looking for volunteers for our new Drive Thru Express!,” the Facebook post, which was just deleted after getting widely dragged, read. “Earn 5 free entrees per shift (1 hr) worked. Message us for details.”

    The post racked up 265 comments before being deleted. Many of the commenters pointed out that Chick-fil-A is a massively popular fast food chain whose owners are worth roughly $14 billion and thus should not be asking people to illegally work for free. Like many fast food operations, some Chick-fil-A stores are franchises that are quasi-independently operated. The Hendersonville location is a franchise, according to local reporting. Chick-fil-A corporate did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    More unions More unions

    I won’t be happy until 80% of the workers are unionized and the rest work for themselves.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Bank of America wants us all scared and weak so we can be controlled by the corporations again instead of daring to unionize and claw back some power.
    A BANK OF AMERICA executive stated that “we hope” working Americans will lose leverage in the labor market in a recent private memo obtained by The Intercept. Making predictions for clients about the U.S. economy over the next several years, the memo also noted that changes in the percentage of Americans seeking jobs “should help push up the unemployment rate.”

    The memo, a “Mid-year review” from June 17, was written by Ethan Harris, the head of global economics research for the corporation’s investment banking arm, Bank of America Securities. Its specific aspiration: “By the end of next year, we hope the ratio of job openings to unemployed is down to the more normal highs of the last business cycle.”


    Granted, all the banks are like that. If you can, get your funds out of banks and to credit unions, because unless you're a multi-millionaire or greater, money in the bank is more the bank's money than your own. Banks milk the rest of us so they can court the rich, and every cent taken away from their grasp makes them a little weaker, so they can't push as strongly for, say, more and more interest rate increases to try to crush the current rise in labor movements.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Bank of America wants us all scared and weak so we can be controlled by the corporations again instead of daring to unionize and claw back some power.
    A BANK OF AMERICA executive stated that “we hope” working Americans will lose leverage in the labor market in a recent private memo obtained by The Intercept. Making predictions for clients about the U.S. economy over the next several years, the memo also noted that changes in the percentage of Americans seeking jobs “should help push up the unemployment rate.”

    The memo, a “Mid-year review” from June 17, was written by Ethan Harris, the head of global economics research for the corporation’s investment banking arm, Bank of America Securities. Its specific aspiration: “By the end of next year, we hope the ratio of job openings to unemployed is down to the more normal highs of the last business cycle.”


    Granted, all the banks are like that. If you can, get your funds out of banks and to credit unions, because unless you're a multi-millionaire or greater, money in the bank is more the bank's money than your own. Banks milk the rest of us so they can court the rich, and every cent taken away from their grasp makes them a little weaker, so they can't push as strongly for, say, more and more interest rate increases to try to crush the current rise in labor movements.
    Banks are assholes, and banking with credit unions is a way better experience most of the time.

    The BofA dickhead is correct though. There is going to be a cooling down of the labor market. My company bought a labor analytics company (I still have no idea why). And their data says that. If you are looking for a job; the sooner the better.

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    So the NLRB has ruled that mine workers have to pay millions of dollars of restitution for lost profits during strikes to Warrior Met Coal.

    https://umwa.org/news-media/press/nlrb-demand-for-umwa-to-pay-warrior-met-coal-strike-costs-outrageous-threatens-american-workers-right-to-strike/

    Here's a link to the United Mine Worker's of America statement.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    So the NLRB has ruled that mine workers have to pay millions of dollars of restitution for lost profits during strikes to Warrior Met Coal.

    https://umwa.org/news-media/press/nlrb-demand-for-umwa-to-pay-warrior-met-coal-strike-costs-outrageous-threatens-american-workers-right-to-strike/

    Here's a link to the United Mine Worker's of America statement.
    “This is a slap in the face not just to the workers who are fighting for better jobs at Warrior Met Coal, but to every worker who stands up to their boss anywhere in America,” UMWA International President Cecil E. Roberts said. “There are charges for security, cameras, capital expenditures, buses for transporting scabs across picket lines, and the cost of lost production.

    “What is the purpose of a strike if not to impact the operations of the employer, including production,” Roberts asked. “Is it now the policy of the federal government that unions be required to pay a company’s losses as a consequence of their members exercising their rights as working people? This is outrageous and effectively negates workers’ right to strike. It cannot stand.”

    The union entered into a settlement agreement in June with NLRB Region 10 regarding charges the company had made about picket line activity in order to save striking members and families from days of hostile questioning by company lawyers. On July 22, the NLRB sent the union a detailed list of damages totaling $13.3 million dollars, more than 33 times the estimated amount NLRB lawyers had initially indicated would be assessed.

    This is horseshit.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Royal Mail workers are going on strike.


    NEW: 115,000 postal workers in Royal Mail to take strike action starting August 26.

    #EnoughIsEnough will be organising picket line solidarity across the country.

    Sign up at http://wesayenough.co.uk

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    TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    So the NLRB has ruled that mine workers have to pay millions of dollars of restitution for lost profits during strikes to Warrior Met Coal.

    https://umwa.org/news-media/press/nlrb-demand-for-umwa-to-pay-warrior-met-coal-strike-costs-outrageous-threatens-american-workers-right-to-strike/

    Here's a link to the United Mine Worker's of America statement.
    “This is a slap in the face not just to the workers who are fighting for better jobs at Warrior Met Coal, but to every worker who stands up to their boss anywhere in America,” UMWA International President Cecil E. Roberts said. “There are charges for security, cameras, capital expenditures, buses for transporting scabs across picket lines, and the cost of lost production.

    “What is the purpose of a strike if not to impact the operations of the employer, including production,” Roberts asked. “Is it now the policy of the federal government that unions be required to pay a company’s losses as a consequence of their members exercising their rights as working people? This is outrageous and effectively negates workers’ right to strike. It cannot stand.”

    The union entered into a settlement agreement in June with NLRB Region 10 regarding charges the company had made about picket line activity in order to save striking members and families from days of hostile questioning by company lawyers. On July 22, the NLRB sent the union a detailed list of damages totaling $13.3 million dollars, more than 33 times the estimated amount NLRB lawyers had initially indicated would be assessed.

    This is horseshit.

    I was wondering why that Blue Dog Fucker Manchin was ok with the recent bill.

    Because of fucking course Joe Manchin would personally love to fuck over Union Coal Miner's to the end of time.

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    zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Ticaldfjam wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    So the NLRB has ruled that mine workers have to pay millions of dollars of restitution for lost profits during strikes to Warrior Met Coal.

    https://umwa.org/news-media/press/nlrb-demand-for-umwa-to-pay-warrior-met-coal-strike-costs-outrageous-threatens-american-workers-right-to-strike/

    Here's a link to the United Mine Worker's of America statement.
    “This is a slap in the face not just to the workers who are fighting for better jobs at Warrior Met Coal, but to every worker who stands up to their boss anywhere in America,” UMWA International President Cecil E. Roberts said. “There are charges for security, cameras, capital expenditures, buses for transporting scabs across picket lines, and the cost of lost production.

    “What is the purpose of a strike if not to impact the operations of the employer, including production,” Roberts asked. “Is it now the policy of the federal government that unions be required to pay a company’s losses as a consequence of their members exercising their rights as working people? This is outrageous and effectively negates workers’ right to strike. It cannot stand.”

    The union entered into a settlement agreement in June with NLRB Region 10 regarding charges the company had made about picket line activity in order to save striking members and families from days of hostile questioning by company lawyers. On July 22, the NLRB sent the union a detailed list of damages totaling $13.3 million dollars, more than 33 times the estimated amount NLRB lawyers had initially indicated would be assessed.

    This is horseshit.

    I was wondering why that Blue Dog Fucker Manchin was ok with the recent bill.

    Because of fucking course Joe Manchin would personally love to fuck over Union Coal Miner's to the end of time.

    I am not sure what the IRA passing has to do with the NLRB decision. Can you provide some sourcing on how those are connected or part of a deal?

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    What the hell?
    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-12/venture-capital-startup-unit-labor-organizing
    Unit’s business model works like this: The startup’s organizers provide free consulting to groups of workers organizing unions within their own workplaces — helping them build support to win elections, advising them on strategy in contract-bargaining sessions, guiding them through paperwork filings and around legal obstacles. Once a contract is in place, members of the new union can decide to pay Unit a monthly fee — similar to traditional union dues — to keep providing support.

    Yes, it's a venture capital firm for starting a union. My head hurts.

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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    What the hell?
    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-12/venture-capital-startup-unit-labor-organizing
    Unit’s business model works like this: The startup’s organizers provide free consulting to groups of workers organizing unions within their own workplaces — helping them build support to win elections, advising them on strategy in contract-bargaining sessions, guiding them through paperwork filings and around legal obstacles. Once a contract is in place, members of the new union can decide to pay Unit a monthly fee — similar to traditional union dues — to keep providing support.

    Yes, it's a venture capital firm for starting a union. My head hurts.

    Disrupting the disrupters?

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    As long as Unit is serving in a fiduciary capacity, isn't it essentially a Union Consulting firm, essentially? Why not just do that?

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Outsourcing your union management sounds like a great way to make a hobbled union that isn't putting the union's concerns above maximum returns. They should have their skin in the game alongside all the other members.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    I don't know if this model will work, but Unit of Work's approach makes sense to me. It sounds like the outsourcing targets the "headquarter services" that traditionally the national would provide. In my experience, that's a lot of national staff and leadership so high up that they don't have skin in my local game anyway. All the local leadership continue to be elected employees.

    What I like about this is that locals could easily switch service providers if this works out and competition springs up. Currently if you think about switching national organizations, all of a sudden, your local gets all the interest from your current national including scare tactics directed at the rank-and-file. I've seen this happen with more than one national when my local did switch, or contemplated switching but did not switch, in the past.

    My number one concern would be corruption. We have a similar structure to HOA boards that can be corrupted by vendors. Local electeds versus professional vendor.

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    I suppose they looking back to the old corrupt says where union leadership were extremely wealthy and they want in on that.

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    enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    According to Unit's website, their servicing fee is 0.8%. Considering my local manages to run on 0.75%, about half of which goes to the national, they better be providing high quality services. Then again, I have colleagues in similar jobs at different employers and their locals collect a little over 2% with a national that provides much more services (such as sending a negotiator to negotiations).

    So my perspective might be skewed by being part of a very low-cost local.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    enc0re wrote: »
    I don't know if this model will work, but Unit of Work's approach makes sense to me. It sounds like the outsourcing targets the "headquarter services" that traditionally the national would provide. In my experience, that's a lot of national staff and leadership so high up that they don't have skin in my local game anyway. All the local leadership continue to be elected employees.

    What I like about this is that locals could easily switch service providers if this works out and competition springs up. Currently if you think about switching national organizations, all of a sudden, your local gets all the interest from your current national including scare tactics directed at the rank-and-file. I've seen this happen with more than one national when my local did switch, or contemplated switching but did not switch, in the past.

    My number one concern would be corruption. We have a similar structure to HOA boards that can be corrupted by vendors. Local electeds versus professional vendor.

    Yeah, I think it's important to remember that a lot of unions are doing something not all that different from hiring this company already. Whether Unit is better is another question but outsourcing some union management stuff isn't unheard of.

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    enc0re wrote: »
    I don't know if this model will work, but Unit of Work's approach makes sense to me. It sounds like the outsourcing targets the "headquarter services" that traditionally the national would provide. In my experience, that's a lot of national staff and leadership so high up that they don't have skin in my local game anyway. All the local leadership continue to be elected employees.

    What I like about this is that locals could easily switch service providers if this works out and competition springs up. Currently if you think about switching national organizations, all of a sudden, your local gets all the interest from your current national including scare tactics directed at the rank-and-file. I've seen this happen with more than one national when my local did switch, or contemplated switching but did not switch, in the past.

    My number one concern would be corruption. We have a similar structure to HOA boards that can be corrupted by vendors. Local electeds versus professional vendor.

    You get that sort of corruption in a lot of organizations. A friend's coop was in an OK, but not great, financial situation. They got some new people on board and discovered that they had been refinancing the building mortgage remarkably frequently and on not particularly great terms.

    One thing I think Unit of Work might do is light a bit of a fire under the existing unions to start reaching out and supporting some of the organization drives more.

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    ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Whether it's novel or not, I think outsourcing your union management is a terrible idea.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think it'd depend entirely on the current union management.

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    MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    There is something to be said about a management structure that is incentivized to keep doing well to justify collecting service fees instead of potentially coasting on institutional inertia.

    But really, there's no replacing vigilance and activism for making the Union stays strong and healthy in the face of capital pushback.

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