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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Took down Iono pretty easily thanks to my Clodsile and Naclstack. Smack Down helped with the Flying/Levitate enemies, although switching out to deal with Mismagius's Confuse Ray was annoying.

    On to the Steel Titan.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Man, Skeledirge is fun as heck for raids. Torch Song just snowballs if the opponent isn’t resistant to fire.

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    I finally found the time to hit the credits and do the extra little bits to unlock 6* raids. Seeing as trying to search for basic information on the Internet is apparently impossible these days, I don't suppose anyone has a handy reference for what sort of pokes I should be trying to build for this end game stuff? I'm seeing a lot of 'just use belly drum iron hands' but not a lot of preferred EV spreads or actual strategies, or anything, anyone found a good primer?

  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    Iron hands is a great raid pokemon for anything weak against fighting type attacks. Generally you want Belly drum , Drain punch , Close Combat , Earthquake/Thunder punch. EV Spread would be 252 Attack and your choice of 252HP or 252 Special defense.

    On the support side of things Grimmsnarl with Screens and baby doll eyes is great. Umbreon is another great support for screech and such.

    Azumarill is alright but i hesitate suggesting it because of the play rough bug.

    Gholdengo is great for solo raiding with HP/Special attack EVs set up 3x metal sound and nasty plot and you can 1-shot with steel beam but in my experience it's 50/50 getting set up in time.

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Iron hands has thunder punch as well so it has options

    Huge power is negated by the Raid stat negation so keep in mind Azumarill has limited use after that

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  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    I was gonna say, I was unclear how useful screech/debuff support would be if the raid mons can just clear their stats automatically, or is that based on a damage threshold, so you can aim to zero out their defences then smack them before they can reset their stats?

    Either way, that's all good info, thank you.

  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    If you're looking to solo 6* raids (or not have to worry so much about your teammates carrying their weight), I strongly recommend looking for pokemon that can both boost their attack stat and have a move that drain HP. Even when they get their shield up, you can still basically full heal every turn if you jack your attack stat up high enough. Drain Punch, Leech Life, and Giga Drain are all super good for this. Ceruledge's Bitter Blade is amazing. Even Draining Kiss can get the job done. I'd recommend building more for defense than speed on pretty much everything, though. You really want to have enough bulk to take a couple hits, to give you time to buff up again after they inevitably clear your buffs.

    Also note that the Metronome item can be very good in raids. It takes a couple turns to ramp up, but it quickly gives a bigger boost than anything else you can get from an item, and it's sometimes enough that you can just keep attacking when they clear your buffs. I don't use it on everything, mind, but it's very good.

    EDIT: Also, this isn't usually necessary, I recommend having a Clear Amulet and a Covert Cloak on hand. If a pokemon like Umbreon is being a real pain in the ass with lowering your stats, slapping on a Clear Amulet will make quick work of that. Likewise with the Covert Cloak; it sometimes even breaks the AI a bit, so they wind up spamming Nuzzle every turn even though it can't paralyze you.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    How do you do a high-level Ditto raid offline?

    I can totally bring a Magikarp with only Splash, making the raid Ditto do absolutely nothing, but then I can do absolutely nothing. Which doesn't help much when the NPC allies are all doing chip damage. Particularly when they decide it's a great idea to bring a Sylveon to a Fairy-type raid and use nothing but Moonblast.

    Maybe instead I should bring something with only defense-reducing skills and Helping Hand? Ditto could use those, but nothing else if he doesn't have attacking moves or a partner.

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  • CruorCruor Registered User regular
    Revavroom with only poison type damaging attacks is amazing for solo Ditto raids, so long as the tera type doesn't resist poison. I just did this last night against a 5* Electric Ditto. My Revavroom had Screech, Shift Gear, Poison Jab, and Gunk Shot. Being immune to anything the enemy Ditto can do is great.

  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    How do you do a high-level Ditto raid offline?

    I can totally bring a Magikarp with only Splash, making the raid Ditto do absolutely nothing, but then I can do absolutely nothing. Which doesn't help much when the NPC allies are all doing chip damage. Particularly when they decide it's a great idea to bring a Sylveon to a Fairy-type raid and use nothing but Moonblast.

    Maybe instead I should bring something with only defense-reducing skills and Helping Hand? Ditto could use those, but nothing else if he doesn't have attacking moves or a partner.

    Can you not go online?

    Online is often worse than offline, but it'd be hard to fuck up a Ditto raid where the host brings a Magikarp :p

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Well, that sounds good, yeah. Particularly since this one Ditto raid I'm looking at is Fairy type, so Revavroom's poison attacks will do just fine.

    edit:

    Yup, fed a Revavroom some candies, and he took out a Fairy-type Ditto raid handily.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Turambar wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    How do you do a high-level Ditto raid offline?

    I can totally bring a Magikarp with only Splash, making the raid Ditto do absolutely nothing, but then I can do absolutely nothing. Which doesn't help much when the NPC allies are all doing chip damage. Particularly when they decide it's a great idea to bring a Sylveon to a Fairy-type raid and use nothing but Moonblast.

    Maybe instead I should bring something with only defense-reducing skills and Helping Hand? Ditto could use those, but nothing else if he doesn't have attacking moves or a partner.

    Can you not go online?

    Online is often worse than offline, but it'd be hard to fuck up a Ditto raid where the host brings a Magikarp :p

    Yeah I can totally try online. I haven't done so yet, largely because my internet connection is far from great, but I am able to play various games online, so I can definitely give it a try.

    This is moreso me wondering what the options are if I do wanna try a Ditto when I'm offline.

  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    How do you do a high-level Ditto raid offline?

    I can totally bring a Magikarp with only Splash, making the raid Ditto do absolutely nothing, but then I can do absolutely nothing. Which doesn't help much when the NPC allies are all doing chip damage. Particularly when they decide it's a great idea to bring a Sylveon to a Fairy-type raid and use nothing but Moonblast.

    Maybe instead I should bring something with only defense-reducing skills and Helping Hand? Ditto could use those, but nothing else if he doesn't have attacking moves or a partner.

    If you are the host, you can take your own ditto that doesn't have Imposter, the opposing ditto will transform into you and then be unable to transform again. And then you can transform into one of your allies.
    Note that if you transform into an AI, they usually only have two attacking moves, and you are stuck with only 5PP for each.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Oh sweet. I found a Tera Rock Cloyster with Skill Link. Meaning it can use Icicle Spear and Rock Blast, and get STAB with both.

    Speaking of, I hear that Icicle Spear is a fun move to use with Baxcalibur, specifically when using the Loaded Dice item.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Does it work to bring a voltorb that only knows self destruct for ditto raids?

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  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Not sure, but think when a raid boss tries to self destruct it just fails

    So it would waste their turn at least, but don't think it causes an auto-win

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Oh eheh. I just realized that Paledean Wooper’s little gills are shaped like bones. Which is fitting for a poison type to have a skull-and-crossbones theme to it.

  • CruorCruor Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Oh eheh. I just realized that Paledean Wooper’s little gills are shaped like bones. Which is fitting for a poison type to have a skull-and-crossbones theme to it.

    That and the design on its abdomen is very clearly a ribcage. It's just a very good design!

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Turambar wrote: »
    Not sure, but think when a raid boss tries to self destruct it just fails

    So it would waste their turn at least, but don't think it causes an auto-win

    Boo. Maybe Shell Smash then so they debuff their own defense for you. And cant attack of course.

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  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    These events are pretty annoying how they reset all your raids both when they start and when they end

    I go online to invite people to a cool raid I found, then whoops, raid's gone

    An upside is you get an extra 6-star from it

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

    It's stats are sufficient for normal play but yeah it's not going anywhere competitively. I used one in Shield because it's absolutely adorable.

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  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.
    First dragon type I really fell in love with. Well, him and Drampa.

    He's such a lil oddball for a dragon with a surprisingly gross signature attack.

    Imagine fawning over it only to have it start gagging and then hurl a bunch of acidic apple juice on you.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Oh eheh. I just realized that Paledean Wooper’s little gills are shaped like bones. Which is fitting for a poison type to have a skull-and-crossbones theme to it.

    I mean, they're also bones because, you know, its evolution, Clodsire, is an Iberian Ribbed Newt, which pops out its own ribs through its skin as a defense

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hiH55PI7UE

    Given Paldea is pokeSpain, it's very fitting and I appreciate it.

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  • AshtonDragonAshtonDragon AKA The Nix Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

    It's stats are sufficient for normal play but yeah it's not going anywhere competitively. I used one in Shield because it's absolutely adorable.
    It's certainly not meta, but it's better than you'd think. Apple Acid is a great move in general and especially good in raids, as it keeps dropping their sp.def through shields, and it learns both Giga Drain and Recover. On the competitive side, it can use Iron Defense to get super tanky, and it learns Body Press. I've watched a lot of a streamer on Twitch (iateyourpie) who uses it all the time. Granted, he exclusively focuses on pokemon that are not meta, so that says a lot, but he's won a lot of games on the back of that thing.

  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

    It's stats are sufficient for normal play but yeah it's not going anywhere competitively. I used one in Shield because it's absolutely adorable.
    It's certainly not meta, but it's better than you'd think. Apple Acid is a great move in general and especially good in raids, as it keeps dropping their sp.def through shields, and it learns both Giga Drain and Recover. On the competitive side, it can use Iron Defense to get super tanky, and it learns Body Press. I've watched a lot of a streamer on Twitch (iateyourpie) who uses it all the time. Granted, he exclusively focuses on pokemon that are not meta, so that says a lot, but he's won a lot of games on the back of that thing.
    Like the sound of this guy.

    I had forgotten how fun it was to just watch people play competitively but one thing you run into a lot is people just using a lot of safe choices and teams start to blend together.

    Which is not completely their fault though to be fair. I always maintain that Pokemon's number one problem is there are a huge amount of pokemon that are really held back by weak stats and it makes using them a self imposed handycap.

    It would be cool to see a way to raise the base stat total for some pokemon in future games to help compensate for this. Everybody should be able to use their favorites and feel like they have some sort of chance instead of facing off against something that has almost 200% more stat points than it. That just seems like...poor balancing.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Oh eheh. I just realized that Paledean Wooper’s little gills are shaped like bones. Which is fitting for a poison type to have a skull-and-crossbones theme to it.

    I mean, they're also bones because, you know, its evolution, Clodsire, is an Iberian Ribbed Newt, which pops out its own ribs through its skin as a defense

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hiH55PI7UE

    Given Paldea is pokeSpain, it's very fitting and I appreciate it.

    Oh that's neat! Also scary. Nature is scary. And now I understand why Clodsire has that attacking animation where it pops a set of spikes out of its back.

    I like that they fit that real world inspiration together with the skull-and-crossbones mark in a way that makes sense for both angles.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

    It's stats are sufficient for normal play but yeah it's not going anywhere competitively. I used one in Shield because it's absolutely adorable.
    It's certainly not meta, but it's better than you'd think. Apple Acid is a great move in general and especially good in raids, as it keeps dropping their sp.def through shields, and it learns both Giga Drain and Recover. On the competitive side, it can use Iron Defense to get super tanky, and it learns Body Press. I've watched a lot of a streamer on Twitch (iateyourpie) who uses it all the time. Granted, he exclusively focuses on pokemon that are not meta, so that says a lot, but he's won a lot of games on the back of that thing.

    Oh, yeah, Apple Acid sounds like a good raid move, doesn't it? It seems that the barrier that raid mons put up outright block purely-status moves, so having something that drops defenses on the back of an actual attack sounds like a nice thing to have.

  • CruorCruor Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Enlong wrote: »
    Man, Appletun is such a weird/fun Pokémon design. I imagine he’s not super strong, but I love that he’s got this weird grass/dragon typing, and a neat signature attack.

    It's stats are sufficient for normal play but yeah it's not going anywhere competitively. I used one in Shield because it's absolutely adorable.
    It's certainly not meta, but it's better than you'd think. Apple Acid is a great move in general and especially good in raids, as it keeps dropping their sp.def through shields, and it learns both Giga Drain and Recover. On the competitive side, it can use Iron Defense to get super tanky, and it learns Body Press. I've watched a lot of a streamer on Twitch (iateyourpie) who uses it all the time. Granted, he exclusively focuses on pokemon that are not meta, so that says a lot, but he's won a lot of games on the back of that thing.

    Oh, yeah, Apple Acid sounds like a good raid move, doesn't it? It seems that the barrier that raid mons put up outright block purely-status moves, so having something that drops defenses on the back of an actual attack sounds like a nice thing to have.

    This is why Espathra is very good in raids. Lumina Crash is 80 power and harshly lowers the opponent's special defense.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I figure the Opportunist ability is also pretty fun if the raid opponent happens to be using a buffing move like Calm Mind or Iron Defense.

  • akTheraakThera akjak Registered User regular
    I mean, people bring the ruinious guys in because you don’t even need a move to drop defenses.

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  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Acid Spray is another good one for dropping Sp.Def through the shield

    And Nuzzle let's you paralyze through the shield

    Also, Misty Terrain is really good against the Status spamming raid bosses

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    akjak wrote: »
    I mean, people bring the ruinious guys in because you don’t even need a move to drop defenses.

    But don’t the raid mons eventually suppress your abilities?

  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    akjak wrote: »
    I mean, people bring the ruinious guys in because you don’t even need a move to drop defenses.

    But don’t the raid mons eventually suppress your abilities?

    You can hold the ability shield item to stop that

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Got 3 shinies only one was "farmed"
    Snorunt Scatterbug and magneton
    I'm trying to finish the Dex now for the charm so I can really start

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    Low Kick (from Hariyama this time) worked even better on the Steel Titan than Rock.

    Speaking of Orthworm...caught one right after that will probably be pretty useful in the Poison Star base.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    I've got a 6 star Clodsire with tera flying

    Without fail, every single person locks in iron hands, miraidon or azumarill to get immediately OHKO by earthquake or poison jab.

    Without fail. I can't even clear half of it's hp solo

    Getting real tired of this shit.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Rami wrote: »
    I've got a 6 star Clodsire with tera flying

    Without fail, every single person locks in iron hands, miraidon or azumarill to get immediately OHKO by earthquake or poison jab.

    Without fail. I can't even clear half of it's hp solo

    Getting real tired of this shit.

    Damn. Why would you bring those guys to a Ground/Poison type?

    Some of these people need to try fighting a 6-star offline. They’d learn real fast that you need a diverse stable of types for these raids.

  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Shit. Accidentally ended my shiny sandwhich mass outbreak Cetoddle hunt early.

    Running around the mountain, did manage to find a shiny Bergmite with a title (the reclusive) tho. Also a shiny sneasel but I'd be lying if I said I was ever actually going to use that one, going to straight into the trade fodder box.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Damn. This one 6-star raid I found is nasty. It’s a Tera Grass Bombirdier. Most of the types I’d use against Grass are countered by him. Fire by Rock, Flying by Rock, Bug by Rock and Flying. And he has Featherdance. Meaning that my one trained Poison type (Clodsire) gets turned into an absolute joke immediately.

    I’m considering training a Gengar, but I just know this bird is packing a Dark move to kill him immediately. Maybe a Toxtricity?

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