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The ethics I couldn't give less of a shit about because it's a comic made by the company that owns the stupid screenshot.
It looks like dogshit. And in this particular instance, looks exactly like a traced Greg Land porn cover.
Well yeah, but the problem is being bad at choosing what to trace, not the ethics of tracing it
You should read some licensed comics. You would notice in literally two seconds that doing just regular art interpretation of live action characters is 100% preferable to tracing. Tracing is ugly, lifeless, and unpleasant to look at.
Well yeah, but the problem is being bad at choosing what to trace, not the ethics of tracing it
You should read some licensed comics. You would notice in literally two seconds that doing just regular art interpretation of live action characters is 100% preferable to tracing. Tracing is ugly, lifeless, and unpleasant to look at.
I mean, sure. That panel looks awful and tracing probably winds up looking awful a lot of the time. But I started talking about the ethics of it, and when your job is literally to plagiarize everything the ethics of tracing seem a lot more favorable.
Like, I'm not saying companies act ethically or make good decisions, but I'm not really sure there's a strong ethical argument against "the people who owned star wars commissioned you to make a bunch of tracings of Star Wars and slap them into a comic."
Well yeah, but the problem is being bad at choosing what to trace, not the ethics of tracing it
You should read some licensed comics. You would notice in literally two seconds that doing just regular art interpretation of live action characters is 100% preferable to tracing. Tracing is ugly, lifeless, and unpleasant to look at.
I mean, sure. That panel looks awful and tracing probably winds up looking awful a lot of the time. But I started talking about the ethics of it, and when your job is literally to plagiarize everything the ethics of tracing seem a lot more favorable.
Like, I'm not saying companies act ethically or make good decisions, but I'm not really sure there's a strong ethical argument against "the people who owned star wars commissioned you to make a bunch of tracings of Star Wars and slap them into a comic."
I don't think tracing is ever in Land's job description, that's just the shitty kind of work he provides. Very few of the other artists on the same line of Star Wars comics trace.
Well yeah, but the problem is being bad at choosing what to trace, not the ethics of tracing it
You should read some licensed comics. You would notice in literally two seconds that doing just regular art interpretation of live action characters is 100% preferable to tracing. Tracing is ugly, lifeless, and unpleasant to look at.
I mean, sure. That panel looks awful and tracing probably winds up looking awful a lot of the time. But I started talking about the ethics of it, and when your job is literally to plagiarize everything the ethics of tracing seem a lot more favorable.
Like, I'm not saying companies act ethically or make good decisions, but I'm not really sure there's a strong ethical argument against "the people who owned star wars commissioned you to make a bunch of tracings of Star Wars and slap them into a comic."
I don't think tracing is ever in Land's job description, that's just the shitty kind of work he provides. Very few of the other artists on the same line of Star Wars comics trace.
It might not be in his job description, but there's also no way he is being commissioned for this stuff without the understanding he's tracing stuff and that is apparently acceptable for the people paying for the work. It might be lazy, ugly, and devoid of artistic merit, but if the client knowingly wants to pay for that, sure, whatever.
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
He might have seen him in the comic at some point, maybe camera footage or something
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
The particular comic series has Luke attempt to throw hands with Vader after the death star in before hot. It does not end well and hes only saved by Han driving an ATAT through the
I'm not convinced there's even an ethical argument against tracing art and making new art outside of practice,
outside of a extremely narrow 20th century copywrite legalism.
More to say about the ethics of what you choose to copy than the act of copying itself.
trace a murder victim's photo into a NFT
Trace a persons work to use to compete within the same media and industry, without reference.
Trace a blockbuster film into a comic scene
Trace a celeb into a painting you intend to sell or put in a gallery
All very different ethical scenarios which actual ethics that have nothing to do with tracing.
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
There is actually a confrontation between Luke and Vader in the comics before this. It includes this great line:
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
There is actually a confrontation between Luke and Vader in the comics before this. It includes this great line:
Now my question is was this written before or after Batman Beyond?
Batman: You killed my father.
Blight: ...Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
My bigger issue with that panel is that Vader is apparently remembering something that never happened. He never saw Luke with a lightsaber until Cloud City.
I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
There is actually a confrontation between Luke and Vader in the comics before this. It includes this great line:
Now my question is was this written before or after Batman Beyond?
Batman: You killed my father.
Blight: ...Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
Long after.
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I think the question of the ethics of tracing is more a question of professional ethics than actual harm? Like the ethics question of "Is it okay for an engineer to get paid the same price for the same work by two different clients?" It's like... "put in the artistic effort that you're paid for", I guess?
Of course, in this case, this guy's working for Disney, a known exploiter of professionals, so minimal effort for maximum pay is good praxis, so I have no complaints about this particular instance.
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Speaking of, is Disney still refusing to pay the royalties to EU authors for EU books those authors wrote which Disney continues to sell?
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what a strange way to wrap up this story, which ultimately felt like the crux of the conflict was Ian and Helen's conversation that we didn't actually get to see
like I guess we'll spend the rest of the week recapping the ending with Mary? but i doubt there's much more to it from here
maybe we can retcon Wilbur back into the ocean in june
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It looks like dogshit. And in this particular instance, looks exactly like a traced Greg Land porn cover.
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So would you say that tracing is a pathway to success some consider to be unethical?
You should read some licensed comics. You would notice in literally two seconds that doing just regular art interpretation of live action characters is 100% preferable to tracing. Tracing is ugly, lifeless, and unpleasant to look at.
I mean, sure. That panel looks awful and tracing probably winds up looking awful a lot of the time. But I started talking about the ethics of it, and when your job is literally to plagiarize everything the ethics of tracing seem a lot more favorable.
Like, I'm not saying companies act ethically or make good decisions, but I'm not really sure there's a strong ethical argument against "the people who owned star wars commissioned you to make a bunch of tracings of Star Wars and slap them into a comic."
I don't think tracing is ever in Land's job description, that's just the shitty kind of work he provides. Very few of the other artists on the same line of Star Wars comics trace.
It might not be in his job description, but there's also no way he is being commissioned for this stuff without the understanding he's tracing stuff and that is apparently acceptable for the people paying for the work. It might be lazy, ugly, and devoid of artistic merit, but if the client knowingly wants to pay for that, sure, whatever.
Phil Noto did good star wars actor faces. But I think he mostly did covers, I think.
He seems to have the market cornered for actor/model like character faces looking straight at you from the page.
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I mean, the original "NO!" moment after he killed Kenobi seems like a better choice.
He might have seen him in the comic at some point, maybe camera footage or something
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The particular comic series has Luke attempt to throw hands with Vader after the death star in before hot. It does not end well and hes only saved by Han driving an ATAT through the
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outside of a extremely narrow 20th century copywrite legalism.
More to say about the ethics of what you choose to copy than the act of copying itself.
trace a murder victim's photo into a NFT
Trace a persons work to use to compete within the same media and industry, without reference.
Trace a blockbuster film into a comic scene
Trace a celeb into a painting you intend to sell or put in a gallery
All very different ethical scenarios which actual ethics that have nothing to do with tracing.
There is actually a confrontation between Luke and Vader in the comics before this. It includes this great line:
Now my question is was this written before or after Batman Beyond?
Long after.
Of course, in this case, this guy's working for Disney, a known exploiter of professionals, so minimal effort for maximum pay is good praxis, so I have no complaints about this particular instance.
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like I guess we'll spend the rest of the week recapping the ending with Mary? but i doubt there's much more to it from here
maybe we can retcon Wilbur back into the ocean in june
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starting that off with a Camus quote is a weird choice
is the bending heart the teen heartthrob would wanted to throb her heart?
Beef called it Rays drinking killed the strip
Dropping a Camus quote?
In my Mary Worth?
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