Watching The Escapist live stream, and it looks alright
This is the opinion of somebody who only played Bloodborne, and not well
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AuralynxDarkness is a perspectiveWatching the ego workRegistered Userregular
edited February 2022
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Trailing 40k tangent: The Horus Heresy stuff has led me to conclude that Perturabo is actually the Primarch that most resembles the Emperor, rather than resembling the Emperor's self-image.
we had amazing tapas- really one of the best meals i've ever had. this was bacon wrapped stuffed dates with apple puree and goat cheese. and also classic brava potatoes with a very flavorful sauce.
these little spicy tuna cones were great- a little bit layered with a wasabi infused aioli on top and then the tuna and some guacamole hidden in the bottom of the cone. tasty! and you can see the octopus we had which was super good.
then we got a bigass mixed paella- quite a spectacle, starting off with a huge lobster tail in the middle and then full of shrimp and chicken and chorizo and mussels. the rice was amazing, buttery, great saffron flavor. honestly so good.
we got gelato/sorbet :4
this was the cocktail i enjoyed most on my trip- it was rye with lemon and grapefruit and ginger and sparkling yuzu
i put on my lucky whale socks to make sure i was gonna be able to get into my dream buffet without a reservation
Just saying, tomorrow is Friday and then it's the weekend so how much sleep do I really need
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WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
I might go vagabond, sweet halberd action.
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Lord_AsmodeusgoeticSobriquet:Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered Userregular
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I have been following pre-release stuff as little as possible so I can fumble around like an idiot and make a shitty sub-optimal build that lets me use all the cool weapons and wear all the coolest hats.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
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WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
The Imperium of Man is absolutely supposed to be a horrific dystopia — a vast, crushing theocratic fascist empire, ruled by violence and full of torture, slavery, genocide, etc
It's supposed to contrast favourably against galaxy-spanning nightmare monsters like Chaos or the Tyranids or the Orks, but still be a kind of apocalyptic state for humanity
But also they want you to think Space Marines are super cool and badass and likeable; more subtly, you're supposed to see that in an empire so vast, the margins always have room for humanity and community, at least before they're infiltrated by a genestealer cult and rendered into fleshfeed for the swarm
I mean, I still fundamentally dislike the things that the general ambience of 40k feeds into; this notion that in order to brave these horrors you must become fascists because obviously fascism is the strongest and most capable of survival.
I don't think GW is trying to suggest that the IoM is some kind of Darwinistic response so much as one that makes a lot of sense given human nature. But it ain't meant to go down easy.
More specifically, at least for the older stuff, you are specifically supposed to see the Imperium as doomed, by turns stagnating or declining, trapped by its own rigid doctrines and paranoia, etc.
Their brutal xenophobic genocidal posture prevents them from making common cause with powerful allies that would be genuine barriers to the victory of cosmic threats like Chaos and the Tyranids and the Necrons and whatever else, at least in the short term
It's supposed to be tragic to the point of absurdity
as well as the idea that humanity is perpetually on the verge of a 2001-ish cosmic consciousness-raising that would solve many of these problems except they keep persecuting mutants and any other harbingers of genuine change
I'm not as familiar with the setting so I had just always assumed it was of the pedigree of right-wing sci-fi that is genuinely enamored with fascism and militarism.
i mean it is enamored with militarism. it is a military war game. the setting exists to sell little plastic men. everything about it kind of grows out of that:
- the plastic men need to lool cool, and what looks cool? crazy rococo fantasy catholicism, greatcoats, peaked hats, WWI tanks
- the plastic men need a reason to fight so they live in a violent fictional world where any kind of conflict in any combination of sides is supported by the text
so if someone just absolutely cannot countenance a story about laser mans and bug monsters doing violence to one another, then they should avoid. but the actual narratives in the actual fiction range from Judge Dredd-style black comedy (esp in the earlier 80s and 90s material) to cosmic and body horror stories, to straightforward sci-fi adventure, to military adventure that echoes stuff like the Sharpe books or Patrick O'Brian
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HonkHonk is this poster.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
Has 40k ever done the twist that the Imperium goes against at least one facet of the emperor's beliefs?
The Emperor was a hardcore anti-theist in the Great Crusade, he didn't hate mutants in general, he wanted to phase out the Space Marines after the Crusades happened, and that's just the start of the list. I think the Emperor was a giant toolbag and a huge asshole, but a huge part of the narrative irony of 40k is it's basically everything he hates or wanted to move away from.
Indeed, their Emperor Worship is taken pretty much whole cloth from texts written by Lorgar, who was the first Primarch to go traitor pretty much explicitly because the Emperor told him to stop worshiping him and building churches and do his goddamned job (of conquering the galaxy)
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Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
Has 40k ever done the twist that the Imperium goes against at least one facet of the emperor's beliefs?
yep, all the time. again, this is text
like as part of the recent move to advance the timeline forward, one of the Emperor's superhuman sons has awakened from his 10,000-year coma and been absolutely horrified by what humanity has become in the interim and now he's going around talking about forbidden ideas like progress and human decency
Has 40k ever done the twist that the Imperium goes against at least one facet of the emperor's beliefs?
The emperor was militaristically anti-theist, so the fact that the entire Imperium has become a theocracy oriented around worshipping him would probably be a sticking point.
Has 40k ever done the twist that the Imperium goes against at least one facet of the emperor's beliefs?
yep, all the time. again, this is text
like as part of the recent move to advance the timeline forward, one of the Emperor's superhuman sons has awakened from his 10,000-year coma and been absolutely horrified by what humanity has become in the interim and now he's going around talking about forbidden ideas like progress and human decency
It is worth noting that if they have the guts to bring any of the other Loyalist Primarchs back, there will be a, uh, substantial disagreement about just how bad things are between this guy and whichever other shows up, too.
@Casual Eddy post got eaten by last chat closing but....
I finally found a BIG HIKING BAG last night in my SP game! I've go a little base in a medical shop with an apartment above that is next to a grocery store (I already cleaned it out). Got so many skill books they don't all fit on my shelf, and a full cupboard of canned goods (not to mention a fridge half full with fresh!).
I finally feel ready to like, pick a base, build it up, and start going on "runs".
And Space Marines are the "good guys" of the Imperium.
And by good guys:
1)They are aggressively xenophobic
2)Have zero qualms with full on genocide in fact most enjoy it
3)Most of them are so removed from being human that outside other SM they have zero real connection with humanity. The poster boy Ultramarines are probably the most human and Salamanders the most caring in a "we are better than you" way
4)Are designed to just be weapons and were to be "decommissioned" like their predecessors were. Violently.
About the only thing the Emperor liked was the Custodes and they are so far from human that they have nothing but contempt for humanity.
I mean its the universe where joining a nurgle cult and becoming a living vector of disease is actually worth thinking about.
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It is the thing with the magic for me. I bet there are reviews I can read about it now. In DS3 it ended up being where I could use heal two times and never found anything else to do with it.
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I'm going to be so behind everyone
We have to add an Easy Mode to poll creation
All two poll choices... they are perfect.
I wasn't trying to steal it! I was making it just in case and I accidentally hit enter!
You can make your own and we can lock this one
This is the opinion of somebody who only played Bloodborne, and not well
This is more work than I would have done. Also fuck COVID. This shit has stuck around in my nose for like a week.
I am functional and working and stuff. But permanent stuffed nose.
we had amazing tapas- really one of the best meals i've ever had. this was bacon wrapped stuffed dates with apple puree and goat cheese. and also classic brava potatoes with a very flavorful sauce.
these little spicy tuna cones were great- a little bit layered with a wasabi infused aioli on top and then the tuna and some guacamole hidden in the bottom of the cone. tasty! and you can see the octopus we had which was super good.
then we got a bigass mixed paella- quite a spectacle, starting off with a huge lobster tail in the middle and then full of shrimp and chicken and chorizo and mussels. the rice was amazing, buttery, great saffron flavor. honestly so good.
we got gelato/sorbet :4
this was the cocktail i enjoyed most on my trip- it was rye with lemon and grapefruit and ginger and sparkling yuzu
i put on my lucky whale socks to make sure i was gonna be able to get into my dream buffet without a reservation
(final post coming, with buffet pics!?)
Just saying, tomorrow is Friday and then it's the weekend so how much sleep do I really need
The Imperial Cult/Ecclesiarchy is absolutely against the emperors teachings.
It's less a twist than an established fact and sometimes-premise, really.
i gotta see what halberd i'm looking at
(thrust, then vertical slash R1, non spinny R2 preferred)
i mean it is enamored with militarism. it is a military war game. the setting exists to sell little plastic men. everything about it kind of grows out of that:
- the plastic men need to lool cool, and what looks cool? crazy rococo fantasy catholicism, greatcoats, peaked hats, WWI tanks
- the plastic men need a reason to fight so they live in a violent fictional world where any kind of conflict in any combination of sides is supported by the text
so if someone just absolutely cannot countenance a story about laser mans and bug monsters doing violence to one another, then they should avoid. but the actual narratives in the actual fiction range from Judge Dredd-style black comedy (esp in the earlier 80s and 90s material) to cosmic and body horror stories, to straightforward sci-fi adventure, to military adventure that echoes stuff like the Sharpe books or Patrick O'Brian
because my physical copy arrives tomorrow but I'm contemplating going digital and returning the physical because I AM ITCHIN'
The Emperor was a hardcore anti-theist in the Great Crusade, he didn't hate mutants in general, he wanted to phase out the Space Marines after the Crusades happened, and that's just the start of the list. I think the Emperor was a giant toolbag and a huge asshole, but a huge part of the narrative irony of 40k is it's basically everything he hates or wanted to move away from.
Indeed, their Emperor Worship is taken pretty much whole cloth from texts written by Lorgar, who was the first Primarch to go traitor pretty much explicitly because the Emperor told him to stop worshiping him and building churches and do his goddamned job (of conquering the galaxy)
yep, all the time. again, this is text
like as part of the recent move to advance the timeline forward, one of the Emperor's superhuman sons has awakened from his 10,000-year coma and been absolutely horrified by what humanity has become in the interim and now he's going around talking about forbidden ideas like progress and human decency
It is worth noting that if they have the guts to bring any of the other Loyalist Primarchs back, there will be a, uh, substantial disagreement about just how bad things are between this guy and whichever other shows up, too.
I finally found a BIG HIKING BAG last night in my SP game! I've go a little base in a medical shop with an apartment above that is next to a grocery store (I already cleaned it out). Got so many skill books they don't all fit on my shelf, and a full cupboard of canned goods (not to mention a fridge half full with fresh!).
I finally feel ready to like, pick a base, build it up, and start going on "runs".
Survival is sooooo much better than Apocalypse.
And by good guys:
1)They are aggressively xenophobic
2)Have zero qualms with full on genocide in fact most enjoy it
3)Most of them are so removed from being human that outside other SM they have zero real connection with humanity. The poster boy Ultramarines are probably the most human and Salamanders the most caring in a "we are better than you" way
4)Are designed to just be weapons and were to be "decommissioned" like their predecessors were. Violently.
About the only thing the Emperor liked was the Custodes and they are so far from human that they have nothing but contempt for humanity.
I mean its the universe where joining a nurgle cult and becoming a living vector of disease is actually worth thinking about.
It seems to be prophet now I had missed that.
Hmm
It is the thing with the magic for me. I bet there are reviews I can read about it now. In DS3 it ended up being where I could use heal two times and never found anything else to do with it.