If you don't have a conveniently clueless character, you have things like the background story in XIII or XV where everyone is throwing around references with no explanation for the poor player.
I mean, there's a reason the cliché exists.
If you don't have a conveniently clueless character, you have things like the background story in XII or XV where everyone is throwing around references with no explanation for the poor player.
I mean, there's a reason the cliché exists.
I've played plenty of games with a confident main character who has lived in the world and generally knows most things about it, and context for the player is doled out by talking to various villagers or reading books, articles and notes.
You may have meant FFXIII, in which case you'd be right, there are ways to do a really bad job at providing context.
I'd rather the "fish out of water" trope than reading articles, books and notes about the world.
Those aren't the only two options, though.
FF4 starts with a guy who has grown up in his world and is generally familiar with it. We don't know anything about the place he is invading at the start of the game, but it's clear an invasion is happening. We don't know Cid even if Cecil does, but we quickly learn who both of them are in their initial conversations. And even a worldly character will visit towns they've never been to before, and find out about their history from the locals. There's a trust that the player will be able to pick up on context, and if they want more, they will talk to everyone in town.
Every party member in FF7 is from somewhere, and we learn about their hometown or local area from them, or from the way others react (or don't react) to them coming home again. The rest or the group are technically fish out of water in that area, but they're also not wide-eyed idiots who need every detail explained to them. Often they'll have heard something about the location before, and will get more perspective about it during their visit.
FF7 anniversary stream confirmed for the 16th. My hope is they’ll announce an Xbox version of remake, but I put that at like 10%
This is the exact day when the current Epic store sale ends at 11 AM PST. Which has Remake on sale for $40ish.
The FF7 announcement then happens at 6 PM.
Was really hoping the announcement would come first so I could decide whether to buy or not. But if they are going to move Remake to other platforms, this smells suspicously by design.
I would rather have a Tidus than a FF13 in-game glossary as the main way they deliver worldbuilding but I still don't like Tidus specifically. I think it's probably the mediocre-to-bad first attempt at english voiceover where they had to sync everything to the japanese lip flaps more than the actual plot and character writing, though.
I'd rather the "fish out of water" trope than reading articles, books and notes about the world.
Those aren't the only two options, though.
FF4 starts with a guy who has grown up in his world and is generally familiar with it. We don't know anything about the place he is invading at the start of the game, but it's clear an invasion is happening. We don't know Cid even if Cecil does, but we quickly learn who both of them are in their initial conversations. And even a worldly character will visit towns they've never been to before, and find out about their history from the locals. There's a trust that the player will be able to pick up on context, and if they want more, they will talk to everyone in town.
Every party member in FF7 is from somewhere, and we learn about their hometown or local area from them, or from the way others react (or don't react) to them coming home again. The rest or the group are technically fish out of water in that area, but they're also not wide-eyed idiots who need every detail explained to them. Often they'll have heard something about the location before, and will get more perspective about it during their visit.
I feel like that's what Tidus serves though. He walks into a group of guardians having zero information on what they are, what they do, and what Yuna does.
OK there's rumblings about people being pushed to re-stream this event. German voice actor for Zack also re-tweeted. The anniversary logo is Cloud, Seph, and Zack together. Seems more likely there will be at least a short Part 2 tease, if not something crazier like a Crisis Core remake or other Zack spin-off.
FF7 anniversary stream confirmed for the 16th. My hope is they’ll announce an Xbox version of remake, but I put that at like 10%
This is the exact day when the current Epic store sale ends at 11 AM PST. Which has Remake on sale for $40ish.
The FF7 announcement then happens at 6 PM.
Was really hoping the announcement would come first so I could decide whether to buy or not. But if they are going to move Remake to other platforms, this smells suspicously by design.
Can't you just buy it on sale, wait to install it, and then return it if you change your mind?
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FF7 anniversary stream confirmed for the 16th. My hope is they’ll announce an Xbox version of remake, but I put that at like 10%
This is the exact day when the current Epic store sale ends at 11 AM PST. Which has Remake on sale for $40ish.
The FF7 announcement then happens at 6 PM.
Was really hoping the announcement would come first so I could decide whether to buy or not. But if they are going to move Remake to other platforms, this smells suspicously by design.
Can't you just buy it on sale, wait to install it, and then return it if you change your mind?
What's Epic's return policy? Steam has a calendar-time policy too, regardless of if you ever played the game.
I attempted to play through CC recently and I'm still not sure if I understood the combat mechanics.
That combat mechanic is worth it just for how it's implement with the ending of the game.
I've beaten the game before long ago on the PSP and don't remember the ending at all. I just remember it's kind of like a slots system or something? My pea brain couldn't figure it out.
But generally I play games during my work meetings (of which I have 3 hours of them a day) and so sometimes people are talking and I'm trying to listen to them and play the game at the same time. Generally it doesn't work out for the game. Doubly so if it's not a standard combat game.
Well the slots pretty much play themselves so. It's not like you have to understand them per say.
Also pretty dumb and annoying how it kept breaking up the battles, but it was used expertly in the ending. Maybe not expertly enough to make up for how bad a mechanic it was though.
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I'm upset by how quickly Jecht turned his life around. How he just.... IDK, he as apparently deep down a kind and gentle man according to Yuna early in the game but he also was emotionally abusive to Tidus before that. I don't like Tidus going "my abusive dad sucked" only for everyone to go "Naw man, he's a gentle and kind soul, a true hero".
The one point I recall about Jecht having character growth was the point where he swore off drinking out of shame. If you assume Braska's pilgrimage was less direct, you can reconcile that a bit I guess? There's not a whole lot of space given to going over that outside of the memory spheres scattered about and I can't recall the details on those.
I always read it as Jecht was an abusive asshole to his son (and probably his wife) and was inexplicably likable and normal to everyone else, maybe just camouflaging his abusive personality when not alone with people who are powerless against him, as abusers sometimes do. Maybe it was not intended that way though and I'm reading too much subtext into Jecht and Tidus.
I always understood the Jecht, Braska, Auron pilgrimage to be a bit like the Journey to the West, where Braska's companions start out as basically football hooligan violent jerks who are improved by watching Braska do his thing to the point where they're actually not terrible by the end of the journey.
So Auron's rose tinted memories of Jecht are because he was one of his best friends and Yuna was a baby who has also nostalgically improved the shine on memories of all of her dad's friends. I don't think they WERE good people until much later in the pilgrimage when they were willing to take genuinely heroic steps.
Jecht's douchiness is explicitly harkening back to the dads who place all of their anxieties and expectations onto their kid, and become actively abusive when they perceive the kids at not rising to their standards.
Everyone else likes Jecht, because they're not Jecht's kid, so he doesn't throw their baggage at them.
He does have a drinking problem, and quits cold turkey while on the pilgrimage, but that doesn't seem related to Jecht treating Tidus like shit. He seemed just as abusive while sober.
imo Tidus' mom is actually the worse parent by far.
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Jecht's douchiness is explicitly harkening back to the dads who place all of their anxieties and expectations onto their kid, and become actively abusive when they perceive the kids at not rising to their standards.
Everyone else likes Jecht, because they're not Jecht's kid, so he doesn't throw their baggage at them.
He does have a drinking problem, and quits cold turkey while on the pilgrimage, but that doesn't seem related to Jecht treating Tidus like shit. He seemed just as abusive while sober.
imo Tidus' mom is actually the worse parent by far.
seems a bit rough to blame her when she's not even a named character.
Jecht's douchiness is explicitly harkening back to the dads who place all of their anxieties and expectations onto their kid, and become actively abusive when they perceive the kids at not rising to their standards.
Everyone else likes Jecht, because they're not Jecht's kid, so he doesn't throw their baggage at them.
He does have a drinking problem, and quits cold turkey while on the pilgrimage, but that doesn't seem related to Jecht treating Tidus like shit. He seemed just as abusive while sober.
imo Tidus' mom is actually the worse parent by far.
seems a bit rough to blame her when she's not even a named character.
Given the content of the show today, I can't imagine that, were VII:R coming to Xbox, it wouldn't have been in this stream.
So I'd put the chances of it coming even lower than the 10% mentioned up page. Maybe 1%.
Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe they'll release a cloud version on Switch than Xbox at this point.
But yeah, I fully expect at least some tease at VII:R:2 at the anniversary thing. I'm not gonna get my hype up too much though, because too many companies, SE included, have completely fumbled anniversaries lately (Where the fuck is my LoZ HD collection Nintendo?), so I'm going in with the assumption that they're not treating it with the same level of potential megaton as the fans.
A CC port would be nice, but it's pretty rough at this point and I'm not entirely sure it would meet player expectations at this point, both in gameplay and presentation. And I have a feeling it's not a game they want to totally remake.
Hell though, if we're shooting for wholly unlikely but in the realm of possibility potentially, maybe they'll release a whole pack of "remastered" (which in SE's brain, as has become clear, means barely polishing much, or changing aspect ratios, and calling it good) VII side content like Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, whatever the name of that Turks phone game that I never played was.
Jecht's douchiness is explicitly harkening back to the dads who place all of their anxieties and expectations onto their kid, and become actively abusive when they perceive the kids at not rising to their standards.
Everyone else likes Jecht, because they're not Jecht's kid, so he doesn't throw their baggage at them.
He does have a drinking problem, and quits cold turkey while on the pilgrimage, but that doesn't seem related to Jecht treating Tidus like shit. He seemed just as abusive while sober.
imo Tidus' mom is actually the worse parent by far.
seems a bit rough to blame her when she's not even a named character.
Given the content of the show today, I can't imagine that, were VII:R coming to Xbox, it wouldn't have been in this stream.
So I'd put the chances of it coming even lower than the 10% mentioned up page. Maybe 1%.
Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe they'll release a cloud version on Switch than Xbox at this point.
But yeah, I fully expect at least some tease at VII:R:2 at the anniversary thing. I'm not gonna get my hype up too much though, because too many companies, SE included, have completely fumbled anniversaries lately (Where the fuck is my LoZ HD collection Nintendo?), so I'm going in with the assumption that they're not treating it with the same level of potential megaton as the fans.
A CC port would be nice, but it's pretty rough at this point and I'm not entirely sure it would meet player expectations at this point, both in gameplay and presentation. And I have a feeling it's not a game they want to totally remake.
Hell though, if we're shooting for wholly unlikely but in the realm of possibility potentially, maybe they'll release a whole pack of "remastered" (which in SE's brain, as has become clear, means barely polishing much, or changing aspect ratios, and calling it good) VII side content like Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, whatever the name of that Turks phone game that I never played was.
Still could quietly put ff7r on steam and thats it.
Given the content of the show today, I can't imagine that, were VII:R coming to Xbox, it wouldn't have been in this stream.
So I'd put the chances of it coming even lower than the 10% mentioned up page. Maybe 1%.
Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe they'll release a cloud version on Switch than Xbox at this point.
But yeah, I fully expect at least some tease at VII:R:2 at the anniversary thing. I'm not gonna get my hype up too much though, because too many companies, SE included, have completely fumbled anniversaries lately (Where the fuck is my LoZ HD collection Nintendo?), so I'm going in with the assumption that they're not treating it with the same level of potential megaton as the fans.
A CC port would be nice, but it's pretty rough at this point and I'm not entirely sure it would meet player expectations at this point, both in gameplay and presentation. And I have a feeling it's not a game they want to totally remake.
Hell though, if we're shooting for wholly unlikely but in the realm of possibility potentially, maybe they'll release a whole pack of "remastered" (which in SE's brain, as has become clear, means barely polishing much, or changing aspect ratios, and calling it good) VII side content like Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, whatever the name of that Turks phone game that I never played was.
Still could quietly put ff7r on steam and thats it.
I admit that I immediately checked out of paying attention to the PC port when it was epic exclusive, but I'm curious if they've fixed any of the apparent performance problems it had? Or at least I recall it being labeled as a pretty crappy port by digitalfoundry and other places that did testing on it.
Yeah bummed there was no announcement here, there could be for the anniversary, but I doubt it. Looks like remake is just flat out never coming to Xbox
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Also I forgot how Early the Jecht reveal was. Wow.
I'm upset by how quickly Jecht turned his life around. How he just.... IDK, he as apparently deep down a kind and gentle man according to Yuna early in the game but he also was emotionally abusive to Tidus before that. I don't like Tidus going "my abusive dad sucked" only for everyone to go "Naw man, he's a gentle and kind soul, a true hero".
i'm all for redemption but this seems too easy.
I'd say that for everyone besides Auron, they probably barely met the man. Most of them just know him as the Guardian who helped the Summoner, so it all came through the church's propaganda (like how Braska went from being an outcast from the church to being a saint, no-one ask about his wife).
The church has no need for any of their heroes to be remembered as 'he was kind of a drunken a-hole, really. Could really kick a ball, though'.
For FF7 announcements, I'm betting we'll get that Evercrisis game. Maybe something about 7R2 like a name and logo, but I honestly doubt they'll show anything of that until XVI has come out.
For me, I don't really care if "character transported to a strange land and learning about it" is vital to the plot, it's just not a plot I enjoyed by the time I first played FFX, and it's only gotten worse.
I've never not been annoyed by plots where a dude runs up to someone and is like "what year is it?!" and they're like "well that's a funny question mister, you hit your head or somethin'? Why it's the year 1936!" and then the guy holds his head and swoons and goes "ohhhh nooooooooo"
The tropes are just so obvious, the requisite amount of time spent not understanding, and in denial, and then somehow trying to use your outsider status to your advantage like winning bets, and then you teach the knights how to build and ride bicycles, and get accused of witchcraft, and it's all just so zany.
FFX is a little better for not being rooted in anything we already recognize, but then it's just got the pitfalls of a conveniently clueless character so everyone else can spout exposition at them at every turn.
If I never hear "did you hit your head or somethin'" again it'll still be too soon. I've been playing the Outer Worlds and it's happening there too.
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I mean, there's a reason the cliché exists.
edit: I missed an I.
I've played plenty of games with a confident main character who has lived in the world and generally knows most things about it, and context for the player is doled out by talking to various villagers or reading books, articles and notes.
You may have meant FFXIII, in which case you'd be right, there are ways to do a really bad job at providing context.
Those aren't the only two options, though.
FF4 starts with a guy who has grown up in his world and is generally familiar with it. We don't know anything about the place he is invading at the start of the game, but it's clear an invasion is happening. We don't know Cid even if Cecil does, but we quickly learn who both of them are in their initial conversations. And even a worldly character will visit towns they've never been to before, and find out about their history from the locals. There's a trust that the player will be able to pick up on context, and if they want more, they will talk to everyone in town.
Every party member in FF7 is from somewhere, and we learn about their hometown or local area from them, or from the way others react (or don't react) to them coming home again. The rest or the group are technically fish out of water in that area, but they're also not wide-eyed idiots who need every detail explained to them. Often they'll have heard something about the location before, and will get more perspective about it during their visit.
This is the exact day when the current Epic store sale ends at 11 AM PST. Which has Remake on sale for $40ish.
The FF7 announcement then happens at 6 PM.
Was really hoping the announcement would come first so I could decide whether to buy or not. But if they are going to move Remake to other platforms, this smells suspicously by design.
I feel like that's what Tidus serves though. He walks into a group of guardians having zero information on what they are, what they do, and what Yuna does.
The end of disc 1 has broken them. (Even when they were aware in a general sense of what was going to happen. Actually experiencing it is different.)
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Can't you just buy it on sale, wait to install it, and then return it if you change your mind?
What's Epic's return policy? Steam has a calendar-time policy too, regardless of if you ever played the game.
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That combat mechanic is worth it just for how it's implement with the ending of the game.
I've beaten the game before long ago on the PSP and don't remember the ending at all. I just remember it's kind of like a slots system or something? My pea brain couldn't figure it out.
But generally I play games during my work meetings (of which I have 3 hours of them a day) and so sometimes people are talking and I'm trying to listen to them and play the game at the same time. Generally it doesn't work out for the game. Doubly so if it's not a standard combat game.
Also pretty dumb and annoying how it kept breaking up the battles, but it was used expertly in the ending. Maybe not expertly enough to make up for how bad a mechanic it was though.
Edit: also, FF7R fell off Sony's "console exclusive" list on June 2nd, so maybe more signs.
i'm all for redemption but this seems too easy.
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So Auron's rose tinted memories of Jecht are because he was one of his best friends and Yuna was a baby who has also nostalgically improved the shine on memories of all of her dad's friends. I don't think they WERE good people until much later in the pilgrimage when they were willing to take genuinely heroic steps.
Everyone else likes Jecht, because they're not Jecht's kid, so he doesn't throw their baggage at them.
He does have a drinking problem, and quits cold turkey while on the pilgrimage, but that doesn't seem related to Jecht treating Tidus like shit. He seemed just as abusive while sober.
imo Tidus' mom is actually the worse parent by far.
seems a bit rough to blame her when she's not even a named character.
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So I'd put the chances of it coming even lower than the 10% mentioned up page. Maybe 1%.
Hell, I'd be more inclined to believe they'll release a cloud version on Switch than Xbox at this point.
But yeah, I fully expect at least some tease at VII:R:2 at the anniversary thing. I'm not gonna get my hype up too much though, because too many companies, SE included, have completely fumbled anniversaries lately (Where the fuck is my LoZ HD collection Nintendo?), so I'm going in with the assumption that they're not treating it with the same level of potential megaton as the fans.
A CC port would be nice, but it's pretty rough at this point and I'm not entirely sure it would meet player expectations at this point, both in gameplay and presentation. And I have a feeling it's not a game they want to totally remake.
Hell though, if we're shooting for wholly unlikely but in the realm of possibility potentially, maybe they'll release a whole pack of "remastered" (which in SE's brain, as has become clear, means barely polishing much, or changing aspect ratios, and calling it good) VII side content like Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, whatever the name of that Turks phone game that I never played was.
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Still could quietly put ff7r on steam and thats it.
I admit that I immediately checked out of paying attention to the PC port when it was epic exclusive, but I'm curious if they've fixed any of the apparent performance problems it had? Or at least I recall it being labeled as a pretty crappy port by digitalfoundry and other places that did testing on it.
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If FF7R was gamepass it would probably have to be at xbox showcase. But it can still just come to xbox without that.
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Also I forgot how Early the Jecht reveal was. Wow.
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I'd say that for everyone besides Auron, they probably barely met the man. Most of them just know him as the Guardian who helped the Summoner, so it all came through the church's propaganda (like how Braska went from being an outcast from the church to being a saint, no-one ask about his wife).
The church has no need for any of their heroes to be remembered as 'he was kind of a drunken a-hole, really. Could really kick a ball, though'.
For FF7 announcements, I'm betting we'll get that Evercrisis game. Maybe something about 7R2 like a name and logo, but I honestly doubt they'll show anything of that until XVI has come out.
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Does ffxiv have a character for you then.
All i know about FFXIV I know from my friend who just loves Emet Selch whom i am suspecting of being a war criminal.
I'm probably not gonna play FFXIV.
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