Yeah once we have a better dataset on it, Long Covid will probably be split up into multiple different Things. Hopefully that doesn't result in one of them getting left by the wayside.
I appreciate the contributions, esp. the roundup from YLE (whom I had never heard of). One thing that has changed for me, is I thought that antivirals had become more or less generally available, as the the cases have come down, but that doesn't actually seem to be true, right? It seems like, if I look at the info provided by GoodRX, there are only a few places in any given metro that carry them, and their use is still highly impacted. So if I am considering what I can do if I get Covid, it still probably isn't likely to be possible to get antiviral treatment, right?
I know Biden says this will change, but we also know that things that are said in SoTU are mostly pie in the sky bullshit, and timelines on that may be many months, not like weeks.
Yeah once we have a better dataset on it, Long Covid will probably be split up into multiple different Things. Hopefully that doesn't result in one of them getting left by the wayside.
It definitely won't result in one of them being left to fend for itself.
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TetraNitroCubaneNot Angry...Just VERY Disappointed...Registered Userregular
We're back in the office three days a week now, with masking optional
The building team are emailing round wherever anybody reports being a positive case
So far these emails have been daily since 4 March, four days into the new working patterns
It's a big building, and my floor was spared until the most recent update, but I'm wondering at what point (if at all) the cases get high enough to shut either a floor or the whole building
We're back in the office three days a week now, with masking optional
The building team are emailing round wherever anybody reports being a positive case
So far these emails have been daily since 4 March, four days into the new working patterns
It's a big building, and my floor was spared until the most recent update, but I'm wondering at what point (if at all) the cases get high enough to shut either a floor or the whole building
President Joe Biden's administration will extend requirements for travelers to wear masks on airplanes, trains and in transit hubs through April 18 as public health authorities review when mask requirements should be dropped, an administration official told Reuters.
The move, which is expected be announced later on Thursday, extends the current requirements that were set to expire March 18 by a month. The official told Reuters that over the next month the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will work with government agencies "to help inform a revised policy framework for when, and under what circumstances, masks should be required in the public transportation corridor."
YLE has a series of posts about Long COVID that I thought the thread would appreciate. Some stats on how common it is in various demographics and potential avenues of treatment. TL;DR: it's real, and setting good diagnostic criteria will help in evaluating treatments and prevention.
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TraceGNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam WeRegistered Userregular
The hybrid variant arose through a process called recombination — when two variants of a virus infect a patient simultaneously, exchanging genetic material to create a new offspring. Scientists say that the "backbone" of the deltacron variant comes from the delta variant, while its spike protein — which enables the virus to enter host cells — derives from omicron, according to the medRxiv paper.
The new variant is believed to have been circulating since January, according to GISAID.
Maria Von Kerkhove, the COVID-19 technical lead for the WHO, said in a press conference that so far scientists have not seen any change in the new variant's severity compared to past variants, but that many scientific studies are underway.
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TraceGNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam WeRegistered Userregular
The new variant is believed to have been circulating since January, according to GISAID.
Maria Von Kerkhove, the COVID-19 technical lead for the WHO, said in a press conference that so far scientists have not seen any change in the new variant's severity compared to past variants, but that many scientific studies are underway.
Anything to do with the delta variant I absolutely just assume the worse. Delta scares the absolute piss out of me.
“This is not a novel concern,” Dr. Simon-Loriere said.
For one thing, the recombinant is extremely rare. Although it has existed since at least January, it has not yet shown the ability to grow exponentially.
Dr. Simon-Loriere said that the genome of the recombinant variant also suggested that it wouldn’t represent a new phase of the pandemic. The gene that encodes the virus’s surface protein — known as spike — comes almost entirely from Omicron. The rest of the genome is Delta.
The spike protein is the most important part of the virus when it comes to invading cells. It is also the main target of antibodies produced through infections and vaccines. So the defenses that people have acquired against Omicron — through infections, vaccines or both — should work just as well against the new recombinant.
I'm glad that locally it seems like things are dying down, but also distressed that I really don't think that the past two years changed much about our society for the better. This is just being rolled into a general decrease in life expectancy and at least in my area masks on for medical appointments. Though I had someone at the optometrist tell me that I could take my mask down because "we're all vaccinated and we all have to just learn to live with it".I expect the next pandemic will find us without any capacity to effectively respond, again.
We're all in this together
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There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
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ShivahnUnaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderatormod
Still sick of "live with it" as code for "pretend it doesn't exist."
Like, it sucks that my car uses expensive gasoline, but we just have to live with it.
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I'm glad that locally it seems like things are dying down, but also distressed that I really don't think that the past two years changed much about our society for the better. This is just being rolled into a general decrease in life expectancy and at least in my area masks on for medical appointments. Though I had someone at the optometrist tell me that I could take my mask down because "we're all vaccinated and we all have to just learn to live with it".I expect the next pandemic will find us without any capacity to effectively respond, again.
I'd disagree with that. My feeling is that it has changed a lot in the places where slow, boring change grinds onward. ASHRAE is definitely going to have something about this in their future air quality standards, and air handling manufacturers are already doing things which means new construction will be healthier in 5-6 years. Hospitals and HR associations are going to start making new best practices and policies to take into account respiratory illnesses more seriously. (though probably not the HR departments of line workers and other "essential" workers) And a lot of government agencies and legislators are going to start drafting white papers that chip away at the negative impacts percentage by percentage.
Nothing is likely to drastically change this year, but a decade from now there will be a somewhat substantial amount of change accrued overall compared to 2019. Not enough, because germ theory is now a partisan thing, I guess, but not nothing.
*edit*
Like, OSHA is definitely going to implement an updated version of this and with a strong incentive to get it done before January 20, 2025
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Yes, and going back to universal* mask wearing when case counts rise is an aspect of learning to live with it. So would be not going into work sick and exposing all your coworkers and fellow commuters, and a dozen other things that are different from living life in the status quo ante pandemos
*it was never universal
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ShivahnUnaware of her barrel shifter privilegeWestern coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderatormod
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Learning to live with it could be reductively defined as basically anything, because it's not going away.
Giving up on easy changes because we don't want to isn't meaningfully learning to live with it, it's ignoring it because we don't want to.
Obviously restrictions are largely going to decrease, but either "learning to live with it" is all-encompassing or meaningless, or else what people who say that generally mean explicitly lacks any "learning" component.
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Learning to live with it could be reductively defined as basically anything, because it's not going away.
Giving up on easy changes because we don't want to isn't meaningfully learning to live with it, it's ignoring it because we don't want to.
Obviously restrictions are largely going to decrease, but either "learning to live with it" is all-encompassing or meaningless, or else what people who say that generally mean explicitly lacks any "learning" component.
We never had universal participation in things like masks when the pandemic was at it’s worst, so going forward of course we aren’t going to have as many people continuing to mask up and things like that. But I disagree that it has to be all encompassing or meaningless. It’s not a binary scenario
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Learning to live with it could be reductively defined as basically anything, because it's not going away.
Giving up on easy changes because we don't want to isn't meaningfully learning to live with it, it's ignoring it because we don't want to.
Obviously restrictions are largely going to decrease, but either "learning to live with it" is all-encompassing or meaningless, or else what people who say that generally mean explicitly lacks any "learning" component.
We never had universal participation in things like masks when the pandemic was at it’s worst, so going forward of course we aren’t going to have as many people continuing to mask up and things like that. But I disagree that it has to be all encompassing or meaningless. It’s not a binary scenario
Yes, and those people never learned to live with COVID. Because they didn't learn a damn thing. Even after two years and >6 million dead.
There is going to be a lot of *surprise pikachu face* when probably mid-way through the summer an actual variant of concern will pop up.
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Learning to live with it could be reductively defined as basically anything, because it's not going away.
Giving up on easy changes because we don't want to isn't meaningfully learning to live with it, it's ignoring it because we don't want to.
Obviously restrictions are largely going to decrease, but either "learning to live with it" is all-encompassing or meaningless, or else what people who say that generally mean explicitly lacks any "learning" component.
We never had universal participation in things like masks when the pandemic was at it’s worst, so going forward of course we aren’t going to have as many people continuing to mask up and things like that. But I disagree that it has to be all encompassing or meaningless. It’s not a binary scenario
Yes, and those people never learned to live with COVID. Because they didn't learn a damn thing. Even after two years and >6 million dead.
Sure, I don’t disagree that we live in a world full of selfish people who lived off the responsibility of the people around them. I also have no control over them and so I’ve done what I can to keep myself and my family healthy. Same as most everyone else here.
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webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
Also I can't speak to other countries, but in the US there are still HUGE swaths of the population that still won't be able to take sick leave to get better, or will have a challenging time trying to get into the doctors to get those treatments.
Also I can't speak to other countries, but in the US there are still HUGE swaths of the population that still won't be able to take sick leave to get better, or will have a challenging time trying to get into the doctors to get those treatments.
(turns chair around and sits in it backwards)
Doom & gloom thoughts ahead..
The real truth of it is those yelling to "live with it" with no data to back that up really mean "pretend those people you're taking about don't exist."
The long term cost of this will be killing them slowly - while insurance companies make COVID a pre-existing condition and deny what shitty little coverage they did offer.
Also I can't speak to other countries, but in the US there are still HUGE swaths of the population that still won't be able to take sick leave to get better, or will have a challenging time trying to get into the doctors to get those treatments.
(turns chair around and sits in it backwards)
Doom & gloom thoughts ahead..
The real truth of it is those yelling to "live with it" with no data to back that up really mean "pretend those people you're taking about don't exist."
The long term cost of this will be killing them slowly - while insurance companies make COVID a pre-existing condition and deny what shitty little coverage they did offer.
Pre-existing conditions are no longer a thing for insurance companies. Thanks, Obama.
I really feel like, for the US at least, we've learned all of the wrong lessons. We somehow took the most clear cut, direct, and unambiguous example of something where your actions effect others, and used it to entrench the narrative of "personal responsibility" even further. I expect that other tragedies tha befall people in the future, be it weather disasters or other things, will increasingly fall under the bucket "sucks for them, not my job to help".
Not to mention its accelerated the interal strife within the US that there is real fear between strangers for reasons beyond contagiousness. Just yesterday, my partner and i were taking a lovely walk in a nice neighborhood and a guy flipped us off because we deviated out path to keep space from him. This shit has by no means brought out the best in most people.
burbo on
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MayabirdPecking at the keyboardRegistered Userregular
Is it a new wave or the temporary result of eliminating basically all countermeasures? Last year saw a similar bump around April when everything relaxed after vaccines became wildly available, but it ultimately continued down to new lows come July.
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MayabirdPecking at the keyboardRegistered Userregular
Is it a new wave or the temporary result of eliminating basically all countermeasures? Last year saw a similar bump around April when everything relaxed after vaccines became wildly available, but it ultimately continued down to new lows come July.
Is it a new wave or the temporary result of eliminating basically all countermeasures? Last year saw a similar bump around April when everything relaxed after vaccines became wildly available, but it ultimately continued down to new lows come July.
I'm glad that locally it seems like things are dying down, but also distressed that I really don't think that the past two years changed much about our society for the better. This is just being rolled into a general decrease in life expectancy and at least in my area masks on for medical appointments. Though I had someone at the optometrist tell me that I could take my mask down because "we're all vaccinated and we all have to just learn to live with it".I expect the next pandemic will find us without any capacity to effectively respond, again.
I'd disagree with that. My feeling is that it has changed a lot in the places where slow, boring change grinds onward. ASHRAE is definitely going to have something about this in their future air quality standards, and air handling manufacturers are already doing things which means new construction will be healthier in 5-6 years. Hospitals and HR associations are going to start making new best practices and policies to take into account respiratory illnesses more seriously. (though probably not the HR departments of line workers and other "essential" workers) And a lot of government agencies and legislators are going to start drafting white papers that chip away at the negative impacts percentage by percentage.
Nothing is likely to drastically change this year, but a decade from now there will be a somewhat substantial amount of change accrued overall compared to 2019. Not enough, because germ theory is now a partisan thing, I guess, but not nothing.
*edit*
Like, OSHA is definitely going to implement an updated version of this and with a strong incentive to get it done before January 20, 2025
My wife designs hvac for hospitals, big notable ones, can confirm “pandemic mode” is a thing I hear all the time, MEP design is absolutely responding to the challenges presented by the pandemic.
Notably that means hospital owners, often some absolutely dyed in the wool rich as fuck country club conservatives, are the ones pushing that because their business model is pretty well statistically considered and better air filtration and more air changes already leads to better outcomes and better outcomes means more business. Like even before the pandemic hospital design was already shifting to solo beds (cause solo rooms lead to better outcomes). There’s abunch of other stuff about the designs that changed due to the very simple question “what if there’s a pandemic though?”
But you’re correct that hospital won’t be completed for a decade, and it’s kind of a leader in the sector.
Is it a new wave or the temporary result of eliminating basically all countermeasures? Last year saw a similar bump around April when everything relaxed after vaccines became wildly available, but it ultimately continued down to new lows come July.
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I had it, due to likely being immuno compromised at the moment. My wife who is type1 diabetes didn't qualify to get it.
It definitely won't result in one of them being left to fend for itself.
Same interface as last time.
I never got my first round.
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Roughly about 20-22k cases a day. right now there's 742 folks in hospital, 19 in ICU, and today was another 4 deaths.
So yeah. about par for the course. more and more folks i know are either isolating as a contact, or have gotten sick.
Ellie's 2nd dose of vaccine is scheduled in 10 days....
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And now our data is so useless due to the lack of testing that we're just a big "???" on maps like these.
The building team are emailing round wherever anybody reports being a positive case
So far these emails have been daily since 4 March, four days into the new working patterns
It's a big building, and my floor was spared until the most recent update, but I'm wondering at what point (if at all) the cases get high enough to shut either a floor or the whole building
Or they just stop reporting
the architect of Sweden's special way is also switching over to the WHO.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/architect-of-sweden-s-light-touch-covid-response-heads-to-the-who-20220310-p5a3km.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-extend-airplane-transit-mask-mandate-through-april-18-official-2022-03-10/
YLE has a series of posts about Long COVID that I thought the thread would appreciate. Some stats on how common it is in various demographics and potential avenues of treatment. TL;DR: it's real, and setting good diagnostic criteria will help in evaluating treatments and prevention.
Jesus fuck. *headdesk*
Anything to do with the delta variant I absolutely just assume the worse. Delta scares the absolute piss out of me.
I'm glad that locally it seems like things are dying down, but also distressed that I really don't think that the past two years changed much about our society for the better. This is just being rolled into a general decrease in life expectancy and at least in my area masks on for medical appointments. Though I had someone at the optometrist tell me that I could take my mask down because "we're all vaccinated and we all have to just learn to live with it".I expect the next pandemic will find us without any capacity to effectively respond, again.
Like, it sucks that my car uses expensive gasoline, but we just have to live with it.
*calls for towing every time it runs out*
And a lot fewer people willing to mask up again in the Fall when it surges along with regular colds and the flu. Because, you know, we just have to learn to live with it.
I'd disagree with that. My feeling is that it has changed a lot in the places where slow, boring change grinds onward. ASHRAE is definitely going to have something about this in their future air quality standards, and air handling manufacturers are already doing things which means new construction will be healthier in 5-6 years. Hospitals and HR associations are going to start making new best practices and policies to take into account respiratory illnesses more seriously. (though probably not the HR departments of line workers and other "essential" workers) And a lot of government agencies and legislators are going to start drafting white papers that chip away at the negative impacts percentage by percentage.
Nothing is likely to drastically change this year, but a decade from now there will be a somewhat substantial amount of change accrued overall compared to 2019. Not enough, because germ theory is now a partisan thing, I guess, but not nothing.
*edit*
Like, OSHA is definitely going to implement an updated version of this and with a strong incentive to get it done before January 20, 2025
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862018484/trump-team-killed-rule-designed-to-protect-health-workers-from-pandemic-like-cov
I mean, learning to live with it has really always been the end point of Covid. We have vaccines and therapies now so for the most part of you catch Covid the danger is pretty minimal.
Yes, and going back to universal* mask wearing when case counts rise is an aspect of learning to live with it. So would be not going into work sick and exposing all your coworkers and fellow commuters, and a dozen other things that are different from living life in the status quo ante pandemos
*it was never universal
Learning to live with it could be reductively defined as basically anything, because it's not going away.
Giving up on easy changes because we don't want to isn't meaningfully learning to live with it, it's ignoring it because we don't want to.
Obviously restrictions are largely going to decrease, but either "learning to live with it" is all-encompassing or meaningless, or else what people who say that generally mean explicitly lacks any "learning" component.
We never had universal participation in things like masks when the pandemic was at it’s worst, so going forward of course we aren’t going to have as many people continuing to mask up and things like that. But I disagree that it has to be all encompassing or meaningless. It’s not a binary scenario
Yes, and those people never learned to live with COVID. Because they didn't learn a damn thing. Even after two years and >6 million dead.
Sure, I don’t disagree that we live in a world full of selfish people who lived off the responsibility of the people around them. I also have no control over them and so I’ve done what I can to keep myself and my family healthy. Same as most everyone else here.
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(turns chair around and sits in it backwards)
Doom & gloom thoughts ahead..
The long term cost of this will be killing them slowly - while insurance companies make COVID a pre-existing condition and deny what shitty little coverage they did offer.
Pre-existing conditions are no longer a thing for insurance companies. Thanks, Obama.
Not to mention its accelerated the interal strife within the US that there is real fear between strangers for reasons beyond contagiousness. Just yesterday, my partner and i were taking a lovely walk in a nice neighborhood and a guy flipped us off because we deviated out path to keep space from him. This shit has by no means brought out the best in most people.
Eric Topol runs Our World in Data, where you can confirm all the graphs he posts on his Twitter account.
Every single time, a new wave starts in Europe and then starts in the US in about two weeks. Heads up, y'all.
I'm not taking my chances.
🤷♂️
My wife designs hvac for hospitals, big notable ones, can confirm “pandemic mode” is a thing I hear all the time, MEP design is absolutely responding to the challenges presented by the pandemic.
Notably that means hospital owners, often some absolutely dyed in the wool rich as fuck country club conservatives, are the ones pushing that because their business model is pretty well statistically considered and better air filtration and more air changes already leads to better outcomes and better outcomes means more business. Like even before the pandemic hospital design was already shifting to solo beds (cause solo rooms lead to better outcomes). There’s abunch of other stuff about the designs that changed due to the very simple question “what if there’s a pandemic though?”
But you’re correct that hospital won’t be completed for a decade, and it’s kind of a leader in the sector.
I mean waves a wave even if it’s small right?