These new breakouts in China are eerily like how it was in January up to March 2020. I'm not looking forward to it breaking out here in the US again at all, though it sounds like it's already here anyway.
I'm really waiting on more info for when Paxlovid is just widely accessible. There is info on shipments from feds, but very difficult to find current info on which clinics can provide it, and if more or less anyone can expect to receive a dose of eligible and desired.
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These new breakouts in China are eerily like how it was in January up to March 2020. I'm not looking forward to it breaking out here in the US again at all, though it sounds like it's already here anyway.
John Burn-Murdoch is a writer for Financial Times, where all these charts come from.
Things to note:
1) Because there is a notable difference between BA.1 and BA.2, getting BA.1 does not confer immunity to BA.2 and there are already recorded cases of people getting them back to back.
2) These big waves are happening in countries that have significantly higher vaccination and booster rates than the US.
3) Hospitalizations are going back up again.
BA.2 is growing very, very slowly in the US by that chart. By the time BA.1 was here this long it had already peaked. So either it was getting out-competed by BA.1 and infection from BA.1 *does* provide substantial protection or something else is going on.
Also that's not what's going on in China. Scroll back up a bit- the problem they're having is this is basically their first omicron wave, and they utterly fucked up getting the elderly vaccinated. Or have a very large number of eldery antivaxxers.
Yeah I will need references on that statement that BA 1 does not provide protection against BA 2 because studies have shown the opposite. Not complete protection mind you but not nothing.
Looks like Moderna asked the FDA for approval on another booster for all adults. If approved, i imagine itll be like 15% getting it (including me). It seems like the general thrust of the evidence is that effectiveness against any infection goes down fairly quickly over time, but sever infection resistance persists much longer. Ill take the booster because id like no infection please (and more than anything, no long Covid)
Looks like Moderna asked the FDA for approval on another booster for all adults. If approved, i imagine itll be like 15% getting it (including me). It seems like the general thrust of the evidence is that effectiveness against any infection goes down fairly quickly over time, but sever infection resistance persists much longer. Ill take the booster because id like no infection please (and more than anything, no long Covid)
Moderna notes that they're mainly asking for approval for the entire population to let the CDC and doctors decide who's at risk enough, rather than making that call on the approval side. It's not a "everyone get this" thing.
4th doses have already started to be given in multiple countries now for those who are considered to be high-risk/immunocompromised. The issue is sometimes this did not extend to enough people that needed it or did not “qualify” based on their condition. This eliminates that.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
I'm not seeing any data in that summary that suggests what you're saying about the 4th booster. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you're talking about? There's some random speculation both ways, is that all you meant?
Repeated booster doses of existing vaccines also probably offer only diminishing returns in terms of protection against future strains, says Miles Davenport, a computational immunologist at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. New vaccines that target specific variants are likely to be much more effective, he adds.
The point is we're currently in uncharted waters in regards to these mRNA boosters.
Boosting every 4 months instead of focusing on getting more shots into arms of people who haven't had one is the reason I found in the article. Which makes sense.
I'd love (okay maybe love is too strong of a word) to see the data on folks who had their 2 mRNA shots and no booster and who got Omicron. Whether or not they were in danger more than someone who was unvaccinated.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
I'm not seeing any data in that summary that suggests what you're saying about the 4th booster. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you're talking about? There's some random speculation both ways, is that all you meant?
I don't think there's 4+ months of data on the 4th booster yet so my statement is deriving from the 3rd shot data that we have where the large increase in protection is for 3-5 months and then wanes though still provides increased protection over 2 doses. There's no current reason to believe that a 4th booster would act differently and is why countries are approving it for at-risk populations only.
Data from Israel — collected between June and November last year when Delta was dominant — and detailed online ahead of peer review, indicate that the immunity from a third (mRNA booster) shot wanes within months, mirroring the decline after two doses3.
Real-world data from the United Kingdom, collected in late 2021, suggest that immunity from boosters might decrease even faster against Omicron than against Delta. However, another laboratory study, posted as a preprint which has yet to be peer reviewed, suggests that neutralizing antibodies elicited by a third dose could sustain protection against Omicron infections for up to four months4.
Other studies, which looked at different parts of the body’s immune response, suggest that a third shot might already provide long-lasting immunity in most cases. Protection against severe illness seems more durable and is probably due to memory B cells and T cells, which remain capable of battling Omicron even as antibody defences decline5,6.
Real-world data from the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel show that a third (booster) shot of an mRNA vaccine protects most people against hospitalization for up to five months against Delta — and for three months or more against Omicron7,8,9. This more durable immunity “also wanes, but to a lesser extent”, says Balicer, meaning that a third shot might be enough to prevent people getting critically ill.
The unsustainable part is that the world isn't producing enough vaccines to boost everyone at a 3-4 month interval. In 2021 the world produced 11 billion vaccines which isn't enough to vaccinate everyone, even ignoring that certain vaccines are substantially worse than others.
Isn't that generally how vaccine approval goes, though? Like, I need to talk to my doctor to get some shots, even though they are approved for general use, because Walgreens doesn't just have Yellow Fever on hand to stick in my arm. It isn't necessary for most people, but still approved for basically anybody to qualify.
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Isn't that generally how vaccine approval goes, though? Like, I need to talk to my doctor to get some shots, even though they are approved for general use, because Walgreens doesn't just have Yellow Fever on hand to stick in my arm. It isn't necessary for most people, but still approved for basically anybody to qualify.
Depends on the Vaccine. Flu for example you don't need to go through your doctor.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
But be careful as there can be a drop in immunity in the short term after a booster. This isn't a problem with your second shot, which is still within the immunity provided by your first shot. But it is for boosters. This is IIRC. I don't not recall if this is a natural part of the vaccination process or if it's a result of people acting in riskier ways post vaccination but before the vaccine has actually taken effect, which can take a week or two, sometimes a month. So just be careful if you're getting a booster in the midst of a surge as you'll need to be extra careful until it kicks in.
That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
I'm not seeing any data in that summary that suggests what you're saying about the 4th booster. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you're talking about? There's some random speculation both ways, is that all you meant?
I don't think there's 4+ months of data on the 4th booster yet so my statement is deriving from the 3rd shot data that we have where the large increase in protection is for 3-5 months and then wanes though still provides increased protection over 2 doses. There's no current reason to believe that a 4th booster would act differently and is why countries are approving it for at-risk populations only.
Data from Israel — collected between June and November last year when Delta was dominant — and detailed online ahead of peer review, indicate that the immunity from a third (mRNA booster) shot wanes within months, mirroring the decline after two doses3.
Real-world data from the United Kingdom, collected in late 2021, suggest that immunity from boosters might decrease even faster against Omicron than against Delta. However, another laboratory study, posted as a preprint which has yet to be peer reviewed, suggests that neutralizing antibodies elicited by a third dose could sustain protection against Omicron infections for up to four months4.
Other studies, which looked at different parts of the body’s immune response, suggest that a third shot might already provide long-lasting immunity in most cases. Protection against severe illness seems more durable and is probably due to memory B cells and T cells, which remain capable of battling Omicron even as antibody defences decline5,6.
Real-world data from the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel show that a third (booster) shot of an mRNA vaccine protects most people against hospitalization for up to five months against Delta — and for three months or more against Omicron7,8,9. This more durable immunity “also wanes, but to a lesser extent”, says Balicer, meaning that a third shot might be enough to prevent people getting critically ill.
The unsustainable part is that the world isn't producing enough vaccines to boost everyone at a 3-4 month interval. In 2021 the world produced 11 billion vaccines which isn't enough to vaccinate everyone, even ignoring that certain vaccines are substantially worse than others.
If there is a sustained demand for 20 billion mRNA vaccines yearly, that's something business would deliver, and that level of capacity would be a good thing for humanity as Covid probably won't even be the last novel virus this decade.
Why do vaccines take a while to take effect? Shouldn't the safest time be while you're still flooded with the antibodies your body produced to try to fight the vaccine?
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Why do vaccines take a while to take effect? Shouldn't the safest time be while you're still flooded with the antibodies your body produced to try to fight the vaccine?
The jab doesn't make your body instantly produce the correct antibodies.
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That seems like a very convenient excuse to sell more vaccines. The 4th dose should only be approved for those that need it. If the approval is too strict then propose to fix that instead of a blanket approval that will almost certainly result in a bunch of people getting the vaccine when it isn't needed.
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
I'm not seeing any data in that summary that suggests what you're saying about the 4th booster. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you're talking about? There's some random speculation both ways, is that all you meant?
I don't think there's 4+ months of data on the 4th booster yet so my statement is deriving from the 3rd shot data that we have where the large increase in protection is for 3-5 months and then wanes though still provides increased protection over 2 doses. There's no current reason to believe that a 4th booster would act differently and is why countries are approving it for at-risk populations only.
Data from Israel — collected between June and November last year when Delta was dominant — and detailed online ahead of peer review, indicate that the immunity from a third (mRNA booster) shot wanes within months, mirroring the decline after two doses3.
Real-world data from the United Kingdom, collected in late 2021, suggest that immunity from boosters might decrease even faster against Omicron than against Delta. However, another laboratory study, posted as a preprint which has yet to be peer reviewed, suggests that neutralizing antibodies elicited by a third dose could sustain protection against Omicron infections for up to four months4.
Other studies, which looked at different parts of the body’s immune response, suggest that a third shot might already provide long-lasting immunity in most cases. Protection against severe illness seems more durable and is probably due to memory B cells and T cells, which remain capable of battling Omicron even as antibody defences decline5,6.
Real-world data from the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel show that a third (booster) shot of an mRNA vaccine protects most people against hospitalization for up to five months against Delta — and for three months or more against Omicron7,8,9. This more durable immunity “also wanes, but to a lesser extent”, says Balicer, meaning that a third shot might be enough to prevent people getting critically ill.
The unsustainable part is that the world isn't producing enough vaccines to boost everyone at a 3-4 month interval. In 2021 the world produced 11 billion vaccines which isn't enough to vaccinate everyone, even ignoring that certain vaccines are substantially worse than others.
If there is a sustained demand for 20 billion mRNA vaccines yearly, that's something business would deliver, and that level of capacity would be a good thing for humanity as Covid probably won't even be the last novel virus this decade.
You can't necassarily increase production on a whim. Production facilities have maximum capacities and it can take years to build and staff new facilities or expansions.
It's the reason the chip shortage hasn't just been solved by making more chips.
Astra's new anti body cocktail meant to fight Omicron variants has been stated by independent study (Washington University) to do just that. Both neutralizing all known omicron variants as well as reduce inflammation in the lung according to the yet to be peer reviewed study. This article doesnt link to that study and I havent had time to find it.
"I'm completely over mask mandates," Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.), who chairs the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, told Axios. "I don't think they make any sense anymore. I'm for whatever gets rid of mask mandates as quickly as possible."
I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
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I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I'll say you should.
Everyone should be wearing a mask in public places.
It's more a question of how many in leadership have to die/be seriously hospitalised. And they won't be. We live in a gerontocracy yet our leaders don't die from covid.
I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I'll say you should.
Everyone should be wearing a mask in public places.
If you're proposing this when cases aren't surging and the hospital system isn't in danger then what is the endpoint? You may be willing to wear masks indefinitely, but the population of the US, and the world, have clearly indicated they won't and either explicitly or implicitly accept the risk. There isn't a clear justification when those who don't want to accept the risk can wear a N95 mask and be reasonably protected.
If you're in European country wear cases are surging then you should wear a mask for that duration.
I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I'll say you should.
Everyone should be wearing a mask in public places.
If you're proposing this when cases aren't surging and the hospital system isn't in danger then what is the endpoint? You may be willing to wear masks indefinitely, but the population of the US, and the world, have clearly indicated they won't and either explicitly or implicitly accept the risk. There isn't a clear justification when those who don't want to accept the risk can wear a N95 mask and be reasonably protected.
If you're in European country wear cases are surging then you should wear a mask for that duration.
I've been doing this song and dance of "we should just treat it like it's over, otherwise you'll want us to keep wearing masks for forever!" for like. Two years now or so lol. Time and time again, people go "it's over, and if we don't stop wearing masks now, when can we!?" And then we dropped all restrictions and hey look everything spiked. Rinse and repeat, again and again.
I'm not saying that the US population is wearing a mask. They clearly aren't, as a whole, and have never really had the tolerance for it. I'm saying we all should. Regardless of the fact that some people would like to pretend it's over every time cases drop after one of the many spikes we've had.
I went to new freshman parent night thing at the local high school a few weeks ago with a friend. I had a mask in my pocket but didn't wear it. If I did, I would have been the only one in the crowded gymnasium with one on.
Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I'll say you should.
Everyone should be wearing a mask in public places.
If you're proposing this when cases aren't surging and the hospital system isn't in danger then what is the endpoint? You may be willing to wear masks indefinitely, but the population of the US, and the world, have clearly indicated they won't and either explicitly or implicitly accept the risk. There isn't a clear justification when those who don't want to accept the risk can wear a N95 mask and be reasonably protected.
If you're in European country wear cases are surging then you should wear a mask for that duration.
I've been doing this song and dance of "we should just treat it like it's over, otherwise you'll want us to keep wearing masks for forever!" for like. Two years now or so lol. Time and time again, people go "it's over, and if we don't stop wearing masks now, when can we!?" And then we dropped all restrictions and hey look everything spiked. Rinse and repeat, again and again.
I'm not saying that the US population is wearing a mask. They clearly aren't, as a whole, and have never really had the tolerance for it. I'm saying we all should. Regardless of the fact that some people would like to pretend it's over every time cases drop after one of the many spikes we've had.
As far as I'm aware the large rises in cases and hospitalizations in the US have been caused by new variants and not be restrictions being loosened. Maybe there's a public safety argument to continue mask wearing when it's not needed so it's available for the next variant, but it makes a lot more sense to me to reduce restrictions when cases are low and then re-implement them if needed if cases rise again, presumably due to another variant. This is the model that at least the Bay Area has followed and appears to have reasonably worked.
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Vaccines and previous infections of BA.1 still work against BA.2 though. So keep yourself protected folks.
John Burn-Murdoch is a writer for Financial Times, where all these charts come from.
Things to note:
1) Because there is a notable difference between BA.1 and BA.2, getting BA.1 does not confer immunity to BA.2 and there are already recorded cases of people getting them back to back.
2) These big waves are happening in countries that have significantly higher vaccination and booster rates than the US.
3) Hospitalizations are going back up again.
Dr. Topol of Our World in Data is also pulling charts from Financial Times for these tweets.
As always, deaths are a lagging indicator and start going up around a week or two after the hospitalization numbers rise.
Tl;dr Again, latest wave is hitting Europe and much of the rest of the world, and it will hit the US shortly.
Also that's not what's going on in China. Scroll back up a bit- the problem they're having is this is basically their first omicron wave, and they utterly fucked up getting the elderly vaccinated. Or have a very large number of eldery antivaxxers.
*tiredly raises a glass to the weekend and downs it*
https://www.who.int/news/item/22-02-2022-statement-on-omicron-sublineage-ba.2
WHO statement from last month.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.19.22271112v1
Early study
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-omicron
A recent summary from yale medicine.
Edit: Also I do see that EU is cautionary. South Africa remains at negligible BA 2 wave as well.
Moderna notes that they're mainly asking for approval for the entire population to let the CDC and doctors decide who's at risk enough, rather than making that call on the approval side. It's not a "everyone get this" thing.
Chise works for moderna in vaccine development:
https://mobile.twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1504783863293358092
Didn't Israel release something about efficacy of the vaccine tailing off after 4-ish months?
I was very early with my boster, so... about 5 months at this point.
The risk of long Covid vs side effect the vaccine? I have a half dozen people in my extended friend group who are some version of seemingly permanently disabled. Two who don't see to be able to walk. All with neurological involvement and pretty much constant exhaustion.
I'm pretty much planning on getting a booster. Glad there's going to probably be approval for it.
Summary of boosters from Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00200-9
My take from it is that the 4th booster is only short term effective and likely isn't sustainable for the whole population. This is the reason most, or all, countries allowing it are reserving it for those that are more vulnerable. If you're going to get it, or the 3rs booster, I would wait for a wave to start because the protection provided is relatively short lived at 3-5 months.
I'm not seeing any data in that summary that suggests what you're saying about the 4th booster. Maybe I missed it. Could you quote what you're talking about? There's some random speculation both ways, is that all you meant?
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The point is we're currently in uncharted waters in regards to these mRNA boosters.
Boosting every 4 months instead of focusing on getting more shots into arms of people who haven't had one is the reason I found in the article. Which makes sense.
I'd love (okay maybe love is too strong of a word) to see the data on folks who had their 2 mRNA shots and no booster and who got Omicron. Whether or not they were in danger more than someone who was unvaccinated.
I don't think there's 4+ months of data on the 4th booster yet so my statement is deriving from the 3rd shot data that we have where the large increase in protection is for 3-5 months and then wanes though still provides increased protection over 2 doses. There's no current reason to believe that a 4th booster would act differently and is why countries are approving it for at-risk populations only.
The unsustainable part is that the world isn't producing enough vaccines to boost everyone at a 3-4 month interval. In 2021 the world produced 11 billion vaccines which isn't enough to vaccinate everyone, even ignoring that certain vaccines are substantially worse than others.
Depends on the Vaccine. Flu for example you don't need to go through your doctor.
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If there is a sustained demand for 20 billion mRNA vaccines yearly, that's something business would deliver, and that level of capacity would be a good thing for humanity as Covid probably won't even be the last novel virus this decade.
The jab doesn't make your body instantly produce the correct antibodies.
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NBC News: Biden’s return-to-normal Covid strategy faces a new test as funding stalls.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/bidens-return-normal-covid-strategy-faces-new-test-funding-stalls-rcna20522
You can't necassarily increase production on a whim. Production facilities have maximum capacities and it can take years to build and staff new facilities or expansions.
It's the reason the chip shortage hasn't just been solved by making more chips.
Astra's new anti body cocktail meant to fight Omicron variants has been stated by independent study (Washington University) to do just that. Both neutralizing all known omicron variants as well as reduce inflammation in the lung according to the yet to be peer reviewed study. This article doesnt link to that study and I havent had time to find it.
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We used to be better than average at this
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Nothing wrong with that. You're protecting yourself and them.
Now going to say you should but please don't let their choice influence yours.
I'll say you should.
Everyone should be wearing a mask in public places.
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HEY LEADERSHIP! How many more high-profile people need to get infected before you stop pretending that the pandemic is over?
If you're proposing this when cases aren't surging and the hospital system isn't in danger then what is the endpoint? You may be willing to wear masks indefinitely, but the population of the US, and the world, have clearly indicated they won't and either explicitly or implicitly accept the risk. There isn't a clear justification when those who don't want to accept the risk can wear a N95 mask and be reasonably protected.
If you're in European country wear cases are surging then you should wear a mask for that duration.
I've been doing this song and dance of "we should just treat it like it's over, otherwise you'll want us to keep wearing masks for forever!" for like. Two years now or so lol. Time and time again, people go "it's over, and if we don't stop wearing masks now, when can we!?" And then we dropped all restrictions and hey look everything spiked. Rinse and repeat, again and again.
I'm not saying that the US population is wearing a mask. They clearly aren't, as a whole, and have never really had the tolerance for it. I'm saying we all should. Regardless of the fact that some people would like to pretend it's over every time cases drop after one of the many spikes we've had.
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As far as I'm aware the large rises in cases and hospitalizations in the US have been caused by new variants and not be restrictions being loosened. Maybe there's a public safety argument to continue mask wearing when it's not needed so it's available for the next variant, but it makes a lot more sense to me to reduce restrictions when cases are low and then re-implement them if needed if cases rise again, presumably due to another variant. This is the model that at least the Bay Area has followed and appears to have reasonably worked.