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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Yeah it changes a lot of the rules that apply to it. Importantly it IS A CREATURE, which means it's now vulnerable to different removal, including wraths.

    It SHOULD die with zero loyalty mind you, because it would be a creature with 0/0 for its stats. So you would need to put at least one +1/+1 effect on it to keep it alive at 0 loyalty

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Careful, Elspeth - remember what happened the last time someone powerful gave you a fancy new weapon

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    It's difficult to tell if it's good, but it is weird in a way that opens up a lot of shenanigans. And shenanigans are their own reward.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Yeah it changes a lot of the rules that apply to it. Importantly it IS A CREATURE, which means it's now vulnerable to different removal, including wraths.

    It SHOULD die with zero loyalty mind you, because it would be a creature with 0/0 for its stats. So you would need to put at least one +1/+1 effect on it to keep it alive at 0 loyalty

    Yeah a Shield counter would (temporarily) keep it alive.

    That effect gets more weird every time I look at it. "Is a creature in addition to its other types"? Planeswalkers infamously have no other card types; Karn's not an artifact, Calix isn't an enchantment, etc..

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    But Karn is a Karn B)

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I want to equip that to a keyword soup fish.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Careful, Elspeth - remember what happened the last time someone powerful gave you a fancy new weapon

    Listen, name one time a stranger handing you angel dust turned out badly

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    But Karn is a Karn B)

    Sure, but that's a subtype.

    A planeswalker subtype. And since it's no longer a planeswalker, it's no longer a Karn.
    205.1a: Some effects set an object's card type. In such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. Counters, effects, and damage marked on the object remain with it, even if they are meaningless to the new card type. Similarly, when an effect sets one or more of an object's subtypes, the new subtype(s) replaces any existing subtypes from the appropriate set (creature types, land types, artifact types, enchantment types, planeswalker types, or spell types). If an object's card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; otherwise, they are also removed for the entire time the object's card type is removed. Removing an object's subtype doesn't affect its card types at all.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    god there's going to be so many blowouts from people who are used to "planeswalker becomes creature" effects also providing indestructible

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Vyolynce wrote: »
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    Note that because it is "no longer a planeswalker" certain rules no longer apply to it: damage does not remove loyalty counters, and it can no longer be attacked directly

    Although you may still activate one loyalty ability on your turn per the normal rules. (EDIT: Which, if I had paid attention, it says in reminder text.)

    Weird effect. Odd that it doesn't specify base p/t as 0/0.

    That's because other creatures can also equip it, and I guess they maybe figured the line of text explaining that a planeswalker so equipping it was base toughness 0/0 wasn't worth the space or was self-evident?

    Or maybe there's a rule we don't know about hidden in the rulebook somewhere that if an effect changes another card type into a creature and doesn't specify a base power/toughness, because the original card doesn't have a base power/toughness it's automatically 0/0?

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
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    Lol. Lmao.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
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    Note that because it is "no longer a planeswalker" certain rules no longer apply to it: damage does not remove loyalty counters, and it can no longer be attacked directly

    Although you may still activate one loyalty ability on your turn per the normal rules. (EDIT: Which, if I had paid attention, it says in reminder text.)

    Weird effect. Odd that it doesn't specify base p/t as 0/0.

    That's because other creatures can also equip it, and I guess they maybe figured the line of text explaining that a planeswalker so equipping it was base toughness 0/0 wasn't worth the space or was self-evident?

    Or maybe there's a rule we don't know about hidden in the rulebook somewhere that if an effect changes another card type into a creature and doesn't specify a base power/toughness, because the original card doesn't have a base power/toughness it's automatically 0/0?

    That rule doesn't exist yet (I checked) but I expect it to by the end of the month.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Careful, Elspeth - remember what happened the last time someone powerful gave you a fancy new weapon

    Listen, name one time a stranger handing you angel dust turned out badly

    Well, I was working as managing director at Duke & Duke Commodity Brokers, and the orange juice crop report was about to come out...

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Devoted Druid has literally gotten a cheap way to curve into an infinite two sets in a row. I love it. It's so beautifully cracked.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
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    Note that because it is "no longer a planeswalker" certain rules no longer apply to it: damage does not remove loyalty counters, and it can no longer be attacked directly

    Although you may still activate one loyalty ability on your turn per the normal rules. (EDIT: Which, if I had paid attention, it says in reminder text.)

    Weird effect. Odd that it doesn't specify base p/t as 0/0.

    That's because other creatures can also equip it, and I guess they maybe figured the line of text explaining that a planeswalker so equipping it was base toughness 0/0 wasn't worth the space or was self-evident?

    Or maybe there's a rule we don't know about hidden in the rulebook somewhere that if an effect changes another card type into a creature and doesn't specify a base power/toughness, because the original card doesn't have a base power/toughness it's automatically 0/0?

    That rule doesn't exist yet (I checked) but I expect it to by the end of the month.

    Pretty sure there's literally already a rule where creatures with no defined P/T have it set to zero.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    milski wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
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    Note that because it is "no longer a planeswalker" certain rules no longer apply to it: damage does not remove loyalty counters, and it can no longer be attacked directly

    Although you may still activate one loyalty ability on your turn per the normal rules. (EDIT: Which, if I had paid attention, it says in reminder text.)

    Weird effect. Odd that it doesn't specify base p/t as 0/0.

    That's because other creatures can also equip it, and I guess they maybe figured the line of text explaining that a planeswalker so equipping it was base toughness 0/0 wasn't worth the space or was self-evident?

    Or maybe there's a rule we don't know about hidden in the rulebook somewhere that if an effect changes another card type into a creature and doesn't specify a base power/toughness, because the original card doesn't have a base power/toughness it's automatically 0/0?

    That rule doesn't exist yet (I checked) but I expect it to by the end of the month.

    Pretty sure there's literally already a rule where creatures with no defined P/T have it set to zero.

    Hmm. Yeah, this might cover that:
    208.5: If a creature somehow has no value for its power, its power is 0. The same is true for toughness.

    I searched for "base power" before.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    milski wrote: »
    Devoted Druid has literally gotten a cheap way to curve into an infinite two sets in a row. I love it. It's so beautifully cracked.

    Seriously, it's one of the most laughably breakable commons. It's like Palinchron tier at going infinite. Or feels that way with how it's breaking back to back.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    also a bunch of foreign cards dropped but i'm gonna wait a bit for translated images so that i don't have to do a bunch of text copy/pasting lmao

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
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    This seems... pretty bad, especially at rare? Treasure generation is nice, but this actively anti-synergizes with any treasures deck, so it's mostly a mana dork with a fallback mode of "hurt yourself for 2, ramp 2 in 2 turns" which is also pretty underwhelming when we've had multiple very easy "this guy just makes two mana" dorks lately!

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    milski wrote: »
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    This seems... pretty bad, especially at rare? Treasure generation is nice, but this actively anti-synergizes with any treasures deck, so it's mostly a mana dork with a fallback mode of "hurt yourself for 2, ramp 2 in 2 turns" which is also pretty underwhelming when we've had multiple very easy "this guy just makes two mana" dorks lately!

    It makes a sacrificable artifact permanent for zero cost.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I feel like a lot of people are gonna want to fuck that cat man.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Here's a few of the interesting foreign cards
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    Handsome Outlaw
    3UBR
    Vampire Rogue
    When Handsome Outlaw enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and you scry 2.
    2, exil Handsome Outlaw from your hand: Target land gains "T: Add U, B or R" for as long as remains. You may cast Handsome Outlaw as long as it remains in exile.
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    Decrease the Population
    2WW
    Sorcery
    Each player that controls a multicolored creature draws a card. Then destroy all creatures.
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    Hostile Takeover
    2UBR
    Sorcery
    Up to one target creature has base power and toughness 1/1 until end of turn, and up to one other target creature has base power and toughness 4/4 until end of turn. Then Hostile Takeover deals 3 damage to all creatures.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Like, even aside from sacrifice fodder the ability to accelerate from being on turn 4 to being on turn six by itself is good.

    Also damn those are good wraths.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Yeah, holding the treasure to rush a big play is interesting. Turn 5 you could lose 4 to have 8 mana up. Seems like a fair mana dork to me overall.

    Very clever way to combine green and red mana acceleration effects.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I will note you lose zero life for spending the cash immediately.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Here's a few of the interesting foreign cards
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    Handsome Outlaw
    3UBR
    Vampire Rogue
    When Handsome Outlaw enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and you scry 2.
    2, exil Handsome Outlaw from your hand: Target land gains "T: Add U, B or R" for as long as remains. You may cast Handsome Outlaw as long as it remains in exile.
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    Decrease the Population
    2WW
    Sorcery
    Each player that controls a multicolored creature draws a card. Then destroy all creatures.
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    Hostile Takeover
    2UBR
    Sorcery
    Up to one target creature has base power and toughness 1/1 until end of turn, and up to one other target creature has base power and toughness 4/4 until end of turn. Then Hostile Takeover deals 3 damage to all creatures.

    Praying that that middle card is actually "decrease the surplus population".

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    The common there appears to be a cycle (which isn't that surprising) as the esper one just showed up

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Thats a neat cycle for color fixing.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I'm very unclear what the angel cards are supposed to represent. Did the story swerve at the last minute to not have some big reveal of angels still existing, or is the implication that some guys juice on halo so hard they temporarily act like angels?

    The minor continuity error of "Elspeth is running around with Giada's sword before that transformation happens" also points to some sort of last minute switcheroo.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Very clever way to combine green and red mana acceleration effects.

    The philosophical intersection of Red and Green comes from a combination of gradual growth and decisive action. How do you represent these values?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Here's a few of the interesting foreign cards
    handsomeoutlaw.jpg
    Handsome Outlaw
    3UBR
    Vampire Rogue
    When Handsome Outlaw enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each opponent and you scry 2.
    2, exil Handsome Outlaw from your hand: Target land gains "T: Add U, B or R" for as long as remains. You may cast Handsome Outlaw as long as it remains in exile.
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    Decrease the Population
    2WW
    Sorcery
    Each player that controls a multicolored creature draws a card. Then destroy all creatures.
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    Hostile Takeover
    2UBR
    Sorcery
    Up to one target creature has base power and toughness 1/1 until end of turn, and up to one other target creature has base power and toughness 4/4 until end of turn. Then Hostile Takeover deals 3 damage to all creatures.

    Praying that that middle card is actually "decrease the surplus population".

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Old and Busted: Decrease the surplus population.

    New Hotness: Increase the deficit population.

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    Enchantment

    When Standard of Living enters the battlefield, create two treasure tokens.

    Sacrifice a treasure: create a 1/1 white and green Citizen token.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    free gold today

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Here's another double-hybrid legend from MaRo:

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Public Enemy
    2U
    Enchantment - Aura
    Enchant creature
    All creatures attack enchanted creature's controller if possible.
    When enchanted creature dies, draw a card.
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    Queza, Augur of Agonies
    1WUB
    Creature - Cephalid Advisor
    Whenever you draw a card, target opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
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    Obscura Ascendancy
    WUB
    Enchantment
    Whenever you cast a spell, if its mana value is equal to the number of soul counters on Obscura Ascendancy plus one, put a soul counter on Obscura Ascendancy. Then create a 2/2 white Spirit creature token with flying.
    As long as there are 5 or more counters on Obscura Ascendancy, all spirits you control get +3/+3.
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    Body Cleaner
    2BB
    Creature - Ogre Rogue
    Deathtouch
    Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, Body Cleaner connives.
    When Body Cleaner dies, return another target non-Rogue creature card with equal or less power from your graveyard to the battlefield.


  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Why is the wording "when it connives this way"? Is it because conniving can be prevented?

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