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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Just to head the story off at the pass.

    https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/19/netflix-to-introduce-ad-supporter-plan/
    Netflix plans to offer a cheaper and ad-supported plan to consumers within a year or two, the world’s largest streaming service said, as it pushes to tap a wider set of potential customers.

    The firm, which reported a loss of 200,000 subscribers in the first quarter, will introduce the ad-supported plan to give customers more choice, company’s co-chief executive Reed Hastings said at the earnings call Tuesday.

    The upcoming ad-supported plan, marks a major shift in how Netflix has previously viewed advertisement in its 25-year history. Hastings acknowledged the major move, saying the model has matured enough and proven successful for rivals such as Hulu.

    “Those who have followed Netflix know that I have been against the complexity of advertising and a big fan of the simplicity of subscription,” he said. “But I am a bigger fan of consumer choice. Allowing consumers who would like to have lower price and are advertising tolerant get what they want they want makes a lot of sense.”

    Netflix, which reported its first subscriber loss in more than a decade, is not viewing an ad-supported model as a “short-term fix,” Hastings said.

    Sorry what Netflix is 25 years old?

  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Getting a DVD in the mail that comes with a catalogue that you have to read through because the DVD is protected with specific questions about products.

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom try The Substance it changed my lifeRegistered User regular
    Ranlin wrote: »
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Matev wrote: »
    If you want to make me pay and watch ads, then why am I paying you? I already cut off Paramount Plus cause their shit service couldn't figure it out, don't make me do the same to you Netflix.

    Gonna need to do it for everyone sooner or later then. Or pay a lot more.

    I can think of at least one other option that will become very popular again.

    Physical media and cable are still very popular with me and will continue to be. Nothing bad that's happening to streaming services (aka everything in the streaming service era) is something I didn't expect, because it's happened before in other formats*/sections of life. Try replacing something (under the guise of being for convenience sake), but making it more complicated and separating it into more and more segments that eventually lead to it being more expensive, and eventually it'll fully negate the purpose (let alone effect and quality) of being a replacement

    The only thing this era's really accomplishing is making older stuff more rare and in danger of being lost. I highly recommend preserving what you can

    *An example of this continuing in other formats is Snoop's recent announcement that Death Row is making its own streaming service. I doubt it's the only music label that's discussed (or in the process of pursuing) doing this in an attempt to eat Spotify's/Apple's/Bandcamp's/Tidal's/Amazon's lunch, which is obviously already its own segmented/separated/more complicated replacement method of music-listening and now on the verge of getting even moreso

  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    edited April 2022
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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Ranlin wrote: »
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Matev wrote: »
    If you want to make me pay and watch ads, then why am I paying you? I already cut off Paramount Plus cause their shit service couldn't figure it out, don't make me do the same to you Netflix.

    Gonna need to do it for everyone sooner or later then. Or pay a lot more.

    I can think of at least one other option that will become very popular again.

    Blockbuster Returns. 2025.

    God, I hope not. By now that lost copy of Dave Barry's Big Trouble is so overdue that they'd announce the IPO by taking my house.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I know we've talked a fair bit about some of Netflix's other decisions that have led to this, and I don't think this drop off in subscribers is any one thing, but this article:



    Points out that Netflix has a lot more competition in streaming now, and it's not just competition in terms of customers. They've lost some pretty big shows like the Office and Friends to competitors, and they're not the only service taking pitches for new projects. I'm someone who, looking back on it, mostly used Netflix to watch shows like the Office or Lost or New Girl, with like...a couple of Netflix originals sprinkled in. They've lost two of the three of those, and there are other streaming services doing original stuff that's way more interesting to me. You toss a price hike and a bid to crack down on password sharing on top of all of that, and, well, people are gonna spend that money somewhere else.

    I don't think Netflix is like...doomed to fail, or anything, and I imagine they'll probably remain in the lead pretty comfortably. Apart from anything else a lot of their competitors can't make a video player worth a shit

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Feels like the streaming wars are gonna be a lot like the console wars, where battles feel significant only as they're occurring but all the players involved will stick around in some form forever

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I may be (rightfully) annoyed about a lot of things Netflix does, but when I was like 19 and couldn’t afford my rent, I sold 4 of their DVDs to a skeevy local music/video store, and Netflix never came after me and ruined my credit for it. Those big sweet idiots just straight up believed that all 4 got lost in the mail, and god bless ‘em for it.

    I’m still gonna share my password though.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Feels like the streaming wars are gonna be a lot like the console wars, where battles feel significant only as they're occurring but all the players involved will stick around in some form forever

    Doesn't hurt that the "upstarts" in this competition are absurdly large corporations. Like, Peacock is getting obliterated by all of those other services, but like...that's owned by NBCUniversal, they're gonna prop that thing up as long as they can (and to be fair...they're taking a lot of interesting chances on that service, right now)

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Feels like the streaming wars are gonna be a lot like the console wars, where battles feel significant only as they're occurring but all the players involved will stick around in some form forever

    Doesn't hurt that the "upstarts" in this competition are absurdly large corporations. Like, Peacock is getting obliterated by all of those other services, but like...that's owned by NBCUniversal, they're gonna prop that thing up as long as they can (and to be fair...they're taking a lot of interesting chances on that service, right now)

    CBS All Access was a joke, but now Paramount Plus (essentially the same thing) is a major player

    Weird times!

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I think we’ll end up seeing some of the smaller ones (stuff like AMC+, Showtime, Stars Play, Curiosity, etc) eventually just ending up either being absorbed into, or offered as pack-ins or tiers with various larger streaming services.

    Which, I think, is kind of already happening to some degree? I think Shudder is already bundled in as part of AMC+, and you can add a lot of these onto Your Hulu as upgrades.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Yeah, it looks like a weird cross polination of subscription packages. Like back when HBO was a separate cost from Cinemax and Showtime, Epix was for Starz customers.

    Everything is just beamed to a console so we have marginally more control over what gets added to our cart, but everything is pretty clearly backsliding. They're just figuring out now how to extract the wealth from customers more efficiently and we're watching it in real time as they remake the picture like it used to be, only faster, and with 1080p.

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  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    I think we’ll end up seeing some of the smaller ones (stuff like AMC+, Showtime, Stars Play, Curiosity, etc) eventually just ending up either being absorbed into, or offered as pack-ins or tiers with various larger streaming services.

    Which, I think, is kind of already happening to some degree? I think Shudder is already bundled in as part of AMC+, and you can add a lot of these onto Your Hulu as upgrades.

    I was going to say that AMC+ is already where I moved to from Shudder since it's included there for not much extra. Which doesn't preclude it from becoming part of a larger bundle/service, but at a certain point I lose the willingness to pay more for extras beyond the core Shudder catalog that I'm really in it for.

    Showtime is Showtime. It's been a thing for long enough that I see it remaining an independent option for a good long while - at the very least as a channel you can subscribe to through Prime, Hulu and whatever else in addition to cable. Ditto for Starz.

    I'd never even heard of Curiosity before today. Looks cool, but also feels more likely to end up a component of something larger.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Feels like the streaming wars are gonna be a lot like the console wars, where battles feel significant only as they're occurring but all the players involved will stick around in some form forever

    Doesn't hurt that the "upstarts" in this competition are absurdly large corporations. Like, Peacock is getting obliterated by all of those other services, but like...that's owned by NBCUniversal, they're gonna prop that thing up as long as they can (and to be fair...they're taking a lot of interesting chances on that service, right now)

    CBS All Access was a joke, but now Paramount Plus (essentially the same thing) is a major player

    Weird times!
    CBS All Access has the distinction of having a player that was noticeably bad, and not just bad by the standards of apps that aren't Netflix, or even Prime or (present day) Hulu.

    Like I got the PBS app to watch All Creatures Great And Small, and despite the weird signups required with your local station, and the fact it is an ostensibly free service was better than our experience using All Access for the first seasons of Disco and Picard.

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Yeah, Paramount Plus’ current player on the web is awful. When you pause the video, it minimizes the video to a tiny thumbnail and shows you a full screen static ad, which is just a bugfuck terrible user experience.

    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    I use paramount plus through amazon so don't have any issues.

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  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Do y'all think that the experiences on the players or even the quality of the stream even matter to the majority of users of streaming services? I really don't have an ulterior motive here, there's no data I have on this up my sleeve.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Do y'all think that the experiences on the players or even the quality of the stream even matter to the majority of users of streaming services? I really don't have an ulterior motive here, there's no data I have on this up my sleeve.

    Honestly I doubt it, most people aren’t worrying about it as long as a decently clear picture and audio come through and they can push pause.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Yeah ultimately I'm willing to put up with a lot if there's only one place I can get a particular piece of content, but I will complain about it endlessly. The main thing is as long as the app doesn't frequently crash (like Hulu of old used to do when it had trouble loading an ad). Enough friction like being a pain to browse seasons or languages (CrunchyRoll) or redoing a whole ad break you just watched if you rewind to before it or exit the episode and come back in (Hulu of old or Paramount Plus), will eventually get me to drop subs when the balance of annoyance vs content shifts enough.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Aphostile wrote: »
    Do y'all think that the experiences on the players or even the quality of the stream even matter to the majority of users of streaming services? I really don't have an ulterior motive here, there's no data I have on this up my sleeve.

    I don't use Peacock because of how bad their streaming player is to utilize.

    I can manage my way through the difficulties/challenges of HBO-Max & Paramount+, but Peacock is just too shitty.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    There is probably a line where it gets so bad that it has a material effect, but I think it's ultimately something that people will spend a lot of time complaining about one way or the other that probably has close to zero actual influence on where they watch stuff.

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 2022
    If a show is on two services and one of them has a dog shit player, then of course I’m going to hop over to Netflix or Hulu or whichever one is less bad. But outside of that, it’s not like I’m going to just not watch Star Trek because the player sucks ass.

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  • NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    For me it is mostly where the shows I want to watch are, but I will say that Netflix's autoplay horseshit did provide a non-trivial push for me to drop my sub. I would never, ever log into the app to just browse and see what was available because of autoplay, so I had to hear about anything I wanted to see from a third party. And, since Netflix is still on the "binge it all" model, as well as their really rough cancelation policies, the window for me to hear about something was pretty short.

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    I quite like their international offerings, but I find Netflix's original series to be kinda lacking

    I like Umbrella Academy, I Think You Should Leave, Nailed It, Russian Doll, and that's... Kinda it? If I didn't get to write off streamer fees, I'd probably only have Netflix for one or two months a year.

  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
    Narbus wrote: »
    For me it is mostly where the shows I want to watch are, but I will say that Netflix's autoplay horseshit did provide a non-trivial push for me to drop my sub. I would never, ever log into the app to just browse and see what was available because of autoplay, so I had to hear about anything I wanted to see from a third party. And, since Netflix is still on the "binge it all" model, as well as their really rough cancelation policies, the window for me to hear about something was pretty short.

    Hm, I meant more along the lines of broken experiences rather than design choices. Really bad encoding meaning you can't see anything during a nighttime scene, ads reloading because they didn't get a signal so you get kicked back to the beginning, UI just not loading, etc.

    On your other point about cancellation policies, I think customer perception is never going to change on that one regardless of any data.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Team regular
    I crave the day that all of BoJack Horseman is released on DVD/Blu-Ray

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I crave the day that all of BoJack Horseman is released on DVD/Blu-Ray

    Brockmire is DYING for a blu ray boxed set.

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    if the player can't get to 1080, like if there is constant blurring, it really annoys me.

    At the moment I haven't found a streaming service that I think has a really great UI experience. I don't necessarily have notes of things I want, but nothing feels good to use/I always feel like I'm fighting against the ui to find what I want.

    Like! Disney+ and others for instance have a "finish watching" deal where it knows the last episode of something you watched and then you dipped out of it. Which is very useful for jumping back into a show. But! let's say you have kids who watch a show endlessly and want to jump around. They may not even want that episode again! But if you use that episode to get into the show's area, when you try to then "back out" into the episode selection, it takes you back to the home screen. What?!?!? why?!?!?!? Why is it like this?!?!?!?

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    The Goldbergs got renewed for season 10, which normally wouldn't be news (I think it's one of ABC highest rated shows still) but it's interesting due to the whole Jeff Garlin thing.

    I bet he's pissed because he probably expected the series to get cancelled without him.

  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited April 2022
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Easily accessible volume control
    Skip forward/backwards X seconds with arrow keys
    Space bar to pause/unpause
    A small and a large player, in addition to full screen
    Ability to cast
    Manual resolution control(!)
    Playback speed adjustment
    No shit on screen when I pause the video
    Closed captioning button
    Chapter/section markers (where applicable)
    Scrub bar and controls disappear quickly when not being used.
    It also has the lowest rate of ad repeats due to server issues.

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  • astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »

    Like! Disney+ and others for instance have a "finish watching" deal where it knows the last episode of something you watched and then you dipped out of it. Which is very useful for jumping back into a show. But! let's say you have kids who watch a show endlessly and want to jump around. They may not even want that episode again! But if you use that episode to get into the show's area, when you try to then "back out" into the episode selection, it takes you back to the home screen. What?!?!? why?!?!?!? Why is it like this?!?!?!?

    This one is my biggest pet peeve. I don't need to to finish the credits on The Simpsons or segment 2 from Jon Oliver 4 weeks ago and clicking back should let me pick a new episode, not boot me back to home.

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited April 2022
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Ho! Ho! Ho! Drink Coke!Registered User regular
    I quite like their international offerings, but I find Netflix's original series to be kinda lacking

    I like Umbrella Academy, I Think You Should Leave, Nailed It, Russian Doll, and that's... Kinda it? If I didn't get to write off streamer fees, I'd probably only have Netflix for one or two months a year.

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  • shalmeloshalmelo sees no evil Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

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  • NaphtaliNaphtali Hazy + Flow SeaRegistered User regular
    shalmelo wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

    I thought twitch was completely gone from rokus unless you use backward ways of loading it on there (and youtube eventually due to the google/roku tiff)

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    shalmelo wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

    oh i have espn + on my tv, I just mean when i am at a friend's house or my parents and we want to throw a game up and it's just a black screen. What is the difference to ESPN if we're all crowded around my phone vs throwing it to the tv, other than to be annoying?

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  • shalmeloshalmelo sees no evil Registered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    shalmelo wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

    I thought twitch was completely gone from rokus unless you use backward ways of loading it on there (and youtube eventually due to the google/roku tiff)

    Oh, that may be true. I pretty much exclusively use twitch as second-monitor entertainment when I'm on my PC, I don't think I've ever had the urge to move it to my TV. Youtube works fine on my rokus for now, but I don't know what the future holds on that front (I also don't like Youtube so I typically choose other options if they're available)

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  • AphostileAphostile San Francisco, CARegistered User regular
    Naphtali wrote: »
    shalmelo wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

    I thought twitch was completely gone from rokus unless you use backward ways of loading it on there (and youtube eventually due to the google/roku tiff)

    Requires the backwards channel loading online and even that breaks sometimes. Twoku is the one I've got on my Roku stick.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    shalmelo wrote: »
    cursedking wrote: »
    Honestly, I think the best player is probably YouTube. As horrible as that sounds. Like, if you ignore all the stuff around the player, it has all of my wants in a streaming video player and it manages it all without being overly cluttered:

    Ability to cast

    if a player cannot cast to the tv it drives me insane, espn does this or at least did, it fucking sucks. I am literally paying for ESPN+, how in the world are you blocking me from putting this on a tv. You often can't watch ESPN+ stuff on tv at all

    I recommend getting a Roku stick. They're <$50 and I haven't run into a streaming service that you can't get up and running on it with ease.

    Signed, someone who watches a fuckton of ESPN+ on both of his TVs and never casts anything other than Steam games

    oh i have espn + on my tv, I just mean when i am at a friend's house or my parents and we want to throw a game up and it's just a black screen. What is the difference to ESPN if we're all crowded around my phone vs throwing it to the tv, other than to be annoying?

    Everything to do with sports is terrible about that, because of blackout rules from the leagues. Heaven forbid that you cast a game from your phone that's meant to exclusively be available via partner X or Y in a given market.

  • godmodegodmode Southeast JapanRegistered User regular
    The only major feature difference I take note of between players is which will allow download and playback offline.

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