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Getta loada this guy, actin' like he owns what he paid for...
Speaking of streamers, this is the first entry in a very informative thread. Talks about some of the negative side effects of one-season-and-done television, about how it's as bad for creators as it is for audiences.
i mean, maybe in terms of forcing them to look at whole resume instead of that start of production? But i don't see how you negotiate to force all shows to have more than 2 seasons.
The union could push to have substantially higher minimums, but if it led to a strike, it would be very hard to get non-industry people to understand why the fight's happening - people would see the raw numbers and wouldn't think about things like, "A lot of TV writers will only be able to get work once every few years if that," and the writers would get creamed in the court of public opinion. Mandating that every show, even first-season or limited-run shows, have at least one freelance script per season would help open up some paths for younger talent.
But there aren't really any union mechanisms I can think of to make studios do more seasons of shows than they want to. There needs to be meaningful shifts in audience behavior - a rejection of the churn-and-burn, a demand for longer-running shows that is backed up by cancelling services that don't meet that demand. So long as audiences put up with it, studios will keep walking the cheapest paths.
B-b-but please s-sir...my iPad is WiFi only....mercy!
Can you elaborate on how this used to work with the pilot episode approach of older television?
This episode was HORNY!!!
Ling has an erotic dream about kissing Ally, so she talks Ally into going on a date so that they can... Explore the implications of the dream? Before the date, Ally confesses to Renee that while the thought of kissing another woman largely repulses her, kissing Ling is perfectly fine for her. Later that evening, on their date, Ling proclaims that she feels confident she isn't gay. And then, to mock a group of horny dudes, Link & Ally have an erotic dance/grind-session on the dance floor. And then Ling walks Ally home and Ally asks if she wants to come upstairs for coffee (an offer Ling turns down). Ally returns to the office, where Ling confronts her about how their date ended. Then the two of them make-out.
Near the end of the episode Ling & Ally confess that they still prefer to date men, but that they enjoyed experimenting with each other. And then while at the bar, Ling dances with Richard and both Link & Ally share looks of remorse about their preferences.
So... At this point in the show Ally McBeal is bisexual.
MEANWHILE! Ling has pulled out of Nelle that she has a sexual fantasy of being slapped while in bed. John Cage overhears this and becomes wildly flustered. He seeks out the advice of Richard Fish and the two of them watch BDSM pornography at work for research purposes.
Later that night Nelle invites John over for an exotic & adventurous dinner. To prepare for it, he asks Elaine to pump him up so she French-kisses his ear while heavy-petting him. Georgia walks in on this and Elaine explains that she is John Cage's fluffer. But at that dinner John Cage flees out of fear. Near the end of the episode though he gathers the courage to be adventurous and spanks Nelle with her hair-comb while they are in bed. And, folks, Nelle fucking hates it! She loses her shit and screams for John Cage to get the hell out of her apartment.
ALSO! This was something spoken aloud by Billy during the cold open during a staff meeting:
Billy proceeds to share the case with Renee, who he slut-shames for how she dresses in court.
At this point I feel confident claiming that Billy Thomas, as played by Gil Bellows, is probably the TV character @The Lovely Bastard and I hate the most of anything we are currently watching. I physically vomit insults at my television when he is on it. I FUCKING HATE HIM.
it's been a long road, drez
I was not familiar with that sort of bedroom stuff at the time, but even I could tell that he fucked up.
thank god
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Hot take.
Pretty happy rn
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So, in places that still shoot pilots before deciding what they'll take to series (mostly broadcast, but some streamers and cables will do it on a case-by-case basis), only the creator(s)/showrunner(s) work on that pilot. My ABC show that didn't go, I wrote the pitch, I broke the pilot, I wrote the script. I had input and notes from various executives, but I was the totality of the creative. I also had to provide a rough structure for the first season's story arc, but in more of a theoretical, "prove there's a season of stories here" way, not in a "fully break a whole season of TV by myself" way.
If the pilot had been shot and if the show had been picked up, that'd be the point when a writing staff is hired. The writing staff has that shot pilot to work off of - they have some sense of what the actors are bringing to the plate, they have tangible proof of how the show's scripts translate to the screen, they have a real solid foundation to start building on. And it's easier for them to have a big impact on the shape of the show, as less of the series is locked in. Pilots are often very instructive in regards to what doesn't work, and the staff can pivot quick and fix problems before they get out of hand.
For places that don't shoot pilots, that buy whole seasons all at once, the purchase decisions are (generally) made off of a pilot script and a show bible. Generally, those will be written by just the creator(s). My HBO show, that's the deal. I'll research and write the pilot myself, I'll write the show bible (a fairly detailed breakdown of the whole season, episode by episode), they'll decide if they want to order the series. If they do, that's when a staff is hired. It can be tricky for the staff - a lot more of the show is "locked in," as it were, but you can only refer to the texts. It's all... Self-reflective? Recursive? A lot of, "Well, let's assume everything in the pilot works as intended when we shoot it, how do we flesh out all of these other episodes in a way that follows the framework in that first script?"
The "shoot a pilot" mode is much, much, much friendlier to green writers. There is a straight line drawn between the page and the screen, a way of taking the job out of the abstract "put words on a page" space and putting it into observable practice. If it's your first pro writing gig and you're just writing these hypothetical texts for a hypothetical show, if it never leaves the theater of the mind, it can be hard to learn lessons like "You better have a good goddamn reason for a scene that's more than two pages long" or "If you write that a character is in a scene but you only give them one line in the three-minute conversation, the actor is gonna pitch a shit fit." The industry has never been especially friendly to new talent, but it feels like it gets harder every year for the newbies.
A whole industry built to tell you that the obvious cause of a problem isn't the actual problem.
Can't be that in a month or two Netflix announced another price hike that finally broke the camel's back and also a few high profile scandals. Nope it's that streaming is broke!
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
If you aren't constantly adding 20% growth per quarter you're a failed business, according to wall street.
That seems to be one of those projects that's just doomed forever
Could be worse, says the guy who waited 15 years for Y: The Last Man to get canned after like 5 episodes.
If this means Bone can end up being produced by Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or the Disney Channel I'll accept it as a saving grace.
I mean, who doesn't
Which I think they kind of had to, since the first was just dealing with last season's cliffhanger. It was dark and claustrophobic and shot on maybe two sets tops. Interesting idea for an episode but you're also basically stuck cleaning up plot threads you left hanging last year for no good reason.
So the second episode feels like the real start to the new season. I'm quite curious where it goes. This is a show that feels like it's still trying to find it's new voice after original show-runner Kurt Sutter got fired between seasons 2-3.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Could be worse, Wheel of Time's getting at least two seasons.
lol
Some people are like "this is surprising" and I'm like "yeah I can't believe it lasted this long"
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lmao, even
What do you get with CNN+?
Because you know, there's so many people out there who don't subscribe to cable but love the tiny amount of actually good content CNN produces. lol
Language!
I am the founder and creator of Dahblagle, a streaming service that existed for six seconds and then went under due to unforeseen circumstances. Please give me all the money as a tax rightoff however the rich white guys do it.
My brother in law is a CPA and I asked him like what could I do to reduce my taxes and without a breath he said to establish an LLC for whatever business.
Well Quibi had the woman with the golden arm
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