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When movie’s on a bagel you can have [movies] anytime

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    I used to go into my local Blockbuster regularly to buy shit from their clearance section

    My copy of Ogre Battle 64 and Front Mission 3 are from rental places, not necessarily Blockbuster

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    mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    I miss when Netflix was the place that sent you international and rare releases in the mail a handful of discs at a time

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    remember when Netflix tried to split the mailing service and the streaming service into two different companies

    i forget what the other company was going to be named but it was something stupid

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    I rented RDR from a blockbuster and played it so long that they were like fuck it and charged me for the purchase of the game.

    The day after I returned it.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    remember when Netflix tried to split the mailing service and the streaming service into two different companies

    i forget what the other company was going to be named but it was something stupid
    They didn't try, dvd.com still exists.

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    N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    I miss rental stores

    I don't miss the stores, or the renting, so much as the time when they existed. :(

    I definitely miss the experience of just wandering the aisles and picking a couple of random movies based entirely on the cover that in this the age of the algorithm never appear in any of your homepage lists because they’re just outside of what the algorithm thinks you want.

    I do not miss trying to get a new release to rent. Just a wall of empty boxes and disappointment.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    remember when Netflix tried to split the mailing service and the streaming service into two different companies

    i forget what the other company was going to be named but it was something stupid

    Qwik!

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    I recall walking into Blockbuster with a sort of top 5 list of what I'd like to see and finding they were ALL checked out or maybe they never had that one at all. And while you could get some good deals renting games, often times they'd be damaged beyond being playable any longer. Don't really miss that era at all, streaming and Gamepass are flatly superior.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I recall walking into Blockbuster with a sort of top 5 list of what I'd like to see and finding they were ALL checked out or maybe they never had that one at all. And while you could get some good deals renting games, often times they'd be damaged beyond being playable any longer. Don't really miss that era at all, streaming and Gamepass are flatly superior.

    Yeah when I get wistful for video game stores mostly I just miss my youth.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Local video stores were always so much better than Blockbuster anyway. Especially the one where your mom was old friends with the owner and they’d let you check out SNES games before they put them out for the other customers.

    That might be an overly specific scenario.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Local video stores were always so much better than Blockbuster anyway. Especially the one where your mom was old friends with the owner and they’d let you check out SNES games before they put them out for the other customers.

    That might be an overly specific scenario.

    Mario Kart 6 came out while I was working at Hollywood Video, and that first prestreet weekend where I rented it I can assume literally everybody playing it online also worked at a video rental store. Prestreeting video games was a lot of fun, and I don't think it happens any more.

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    MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    I miss working in video

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    I miss working in video

    I don't, only because by the time I briefly tried it, the business end was in shambles and it was all about pushing various bundles on the customers. Including like... snack bundles? Who would buy their snacks at Blockbuster instead of at Wal-Mart or the gas station where they're much cheaper?

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    LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    This census thing is harder than I thought, since the prompt wasn't like categorically best but movie you could watch endlessly I'm trying to go with the first thing that pops into my head. There's definitely a fair amount of categories I am just blanking on an answer for. Almost wanna cheat and put Addams Family Values as a holiday movie.

    Makes me wish I kept a letterboxd.

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    hatedinamericahatedinamerica Registered User regular
    Local video stores were always so much better than Blockbuster anyway. Especially the one where your mom was old friends with the owner and they’d let you check out SNES games before they put them out for the other customers.

    That might be an overly specific scenario.

    My local video store in the early/mid 90s regularly had farm animals wandering around, it was pretty weird. One time I walked in and there was just a dog sitting up on the bar stool behind the counter. No humans in sight.

    Pretty sure I rented my first Final Fantasy game there.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Did you rent it from a dog?

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    hatedinamericahatedinamerica Registered User regular
    It's honestly possible. I think more than once we had to walk in the back and find the tapes ourselves and just leave some money because no humans were present.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I rented a PS2 like four times from my local Blockbuster. And a Virtual Boy.

    Anyway I forgot Jon Lovitz was in A League of Their Own and he's delightful

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    The joy of renting a game cart a second time and realizing your save file was still there

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    I rented Texas Chainsaw Massacre entirely based on this box art.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    This census thing is harder than I thought, since the prompt wasn't like categorically best but movie you could watch endlessly I'm trying to go with the first thing that pops into my head. There's definitely a fair amount of categories I am just blanking on an answer for. Almost wanna cheat and put Addams Family Values as a holiday movie.

    Makes me wish I kept a letterboxd.

    huh? it is a holiday movie

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    LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    This census thing is harder than I thought, since the prompt wasn't like categorically best but movie you could watch endlessly I'm trying to go with the first thing that pops into my head. There's definitely a fair amount of categories I am just blanking on an answer for. Almost wanna cheat and put Addams Family Values as a holiday movie.

    Makes me wish I kept a letterboxd.

    huh? it is a holiday movie

    It's not actually about or even set on Thanksgiving, the summer camp director is just a weirdo/racist.

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    mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    As a kid there was some hole in the wall video store (that was sketchy as hell) two miles away from home that me, my brother, and whatever local kids were around any given day that summer would ride to on bikes while we tried to triangulate the ice cream truck's location and get a break from our parents

    I used chore money to rent Clock Tower, Soul Reaver 1, Driver, and Fight Club nonstop for like, three solid months that summer

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    This is nowhere near the same experience as wandering a video store aisle.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    There's a visceral difference between "One of one million items on a store page" and "a box that can grab your eye, that you can pick up and flip over"

    One is an abstract with no weight or significance, a bunch of imaginary objects jockeying for position in the algorithm. The other is a physical object engaging all of your senses, there on the shelf through a collection of arbitrary factors that make its availability in this moment something special.

    One's more convenient and, arguably, leads you to better games. But the other is more... Mystical, almost. Important, surprising, given weight.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    VHS and DVD lithographs generally have a ton of money put behind their design to specifically be eye-catching and have a lot of information on them a person could glean with a quick glance. While some streaming services give you more information, it takes longer to get there, and sometimes you can't find the information you want at all.

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    There's a visceral difference between "One of one million items on a store page" and "a box that can grab your eye, that you can pick up and flip over"

    One is an abstract with no weight or significance, a bunch of imaginary objects jockeying for position in the algorithm. The other is a physical object engaging all of your senses, there on the shelf through a collection of arbitrary factors that make its availability in this moment something special.

    One's more convenient and, arguably, leads you to better games. But the other is more... Mystical, almost. Important, surprising, given weight.

    It's kind of the same reason why I love physical books

    It is easier and more convenient in many, many ways to just read stuff on my phone. It's got a decently-big screen, I can adjust the type size, I don't need to carry stuff around if I'm on the go

    But a physical book, even a shitty paperback, is something. It is an object you can hold, that is capable of art and beauty, that has history

    Admittedly I find books more romantic objects than shitty cardboard VHS boxes, but y'know!

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    There's a visceral difference between "One of one million items on a store page" and "a box that can grab your eye, that you can pick up and flip over"

    One is an abstract with no weight or significance, a bunch of imaginary objects jockeying for position in the algorithm. The other is a physical object engaging all of your senses, there on the shelf through a collection of arbitrary factors that make its availability in this moment something special.

    One's more convenient and, arguably, leads you to better games. But the other is more... Mystical, almost. Important, surprising, given weight.

    And I said it in my original post but let me stress it again: a streaming service is not the same thing because it is programmed to cater to you specifically. What you see on your Recommended tabs is not the same as what I will see. Hell, even if we put the exact same term into the search bar, there is no guarantee it will return the same results presented in the same order for the both of us!

    A rental store is laid out such that every person in the store has access to the same browsing experience.

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Netflix doesn't even have a beaded curtain.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    My old rental store used to have a computer that ran on its own weird proprietary software, somewhere between DOS and Wordperfect. Anyway, if you put in your phone number, it brought up a list of the movies you'd rented from the store, and you could rate them 1-5 (I think 5, maybe it went to 10). And after you'd rated like 20 movies, it would start to recommend things at you in the genre of your choice.

    Anyway that computer is what recommended Big Trouble in Little China to me, and I owe it my entire lifetime's worth of gratitude.

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    There's a visceral difference between "One of one million items on a store page" and "a box that can grab your eye, that you can pick up and flip over"

    One is an abstract with no weight or significance, a bunch of imaginary objects jockeying for position in the algorithm. The other is a physical object engaging all of your senses, there on the shelf through a collection of arbitrary factors that make its availability in this moment something special.

    One's more convenient and, arguably, leads you to better games. But the other is more... Mystical, almost. Important, surprising, given weight.

    I don't want to be argumentative for no reason, so I'll probably stop after this one but this is just... magical thinking.

    The list on the streaming page is a series of movie cover images just the same as the movie boxes on the physical store shelf. The movie boxes do not engage "all of your senses", they engage two of them (sight and touch). All of the movies pretty much weigh the same and if they smell differently, you should consider leaving the store. Streaming services will play previews of the movie usually, so that's engaging more senses that actually matter to the movie watching experience. You flip over the movie to see a synopsis, maybe who's in it or a cool screenshot. Clicking on a movie on a streaming service produces this same information, if it grabbed your eye, you click on it and get that extra bit. The list of movies aren't "imaginary objects", they are movies, pressing play will produce a movie right then and there. Recording the movie to a DVD doesn't make it better somehow. If your argument was something like "VHS box art was more fun than streaming service thumbnails", I'd probably agree, but some streaming services literally use box art, so it's not a super strong argument. Similarly, you could say "I liked the weird curation of the local movie store that exposed me to stuff," but my counter to that would be that the LGBT section of my local store would be, "The store does not stock movies like that because management is casually bigoted against such things."

    Younger generations have no concept of the movie store, and they would not be impressed by this description. Maybe they would be amused by the novelty, but they would not be impressed by a limited catalog that you have to drive to go see, that introduces the concept of scarcity and increases the price of the transaction on every level. I grew up with movie stores and as stated, even worked at one for a while. I'm not trying to diminish what a fun experience that was at the time, I just think the benefits are being overstated or at least not stated in a way that makes sense to me. I waste a lot of time on streaming services curating lists of movies it might be worth watching (instead of just being decisive and watching something), so the experience of "looking for something to spark interest" is 100% still there, I don't know how you'd say it's not.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    I think I miss rental stores mostly for the nostalgic childhood memories of picking out movies and games to rent, was a pretty different experience to digital storefronts

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    I’m all for easier access to media, 100%, but there are some intangibles in the local video store that you don’t get on streaming. For one, at the local video shops, outside of the abundance of new release big hits, the collection is largely curated by a single person. The lady that ran my local video store / pizza shop was super into horror. Slashers and occult stuff, specifically. Like, seriously just triple the collection of even larger stores. Lots of obscure stuff, straight to video stuff, just all kinds of cool shit. So that means that a whole generation of kids on that end of my small rural town in Texas got super into occult movies and slashers. It’s a unique experience that you just don’t get with immediate access to any movie on the planet. Is it better? Is it worse? I dunno. But it gives a different perspective.

    It’s kind of the same reason I still regularly hit up this one local record store to this day. Despite Spotify having everything in the store and then some, I know that the dude who runs it likes good shit, and I know I can dive into the bin at the front of his store of new unfiled records to get a sampling of stuff he’s into, and that I’m going to love almost all of it. I trust him almost unconditionally. No fucking Grateful Dead to be found.

    It’s kind of like that. The human aspect of it that an algorithm can replace, but it can never replicate.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    You are describing something as being the same and I am telling you that my brain does not recognize it, primarily for the way Pooro described. It's different, it's visceral. It's the difference between wandering a library and coming across a book and looking at shit in a catalogue. They are completely foreign experiences within my brain and any attempt to try and say "No, they are" is trying to enforce your own world view in place of my own.

    It's the difference between seeing a tragedy on TV and seeing that tragedy up close and in person. It's different.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Ok. Did my dumb list.
    Action – Dredd

    Adventure – The Mummy 99’

    Blaxploitation – Black Dynamite

    Biographical – Argo

    Buddy Comedy – The Three Amigos

    Comedy – Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping

    Courtroom/Legal - The Rainmaker

    Crime – Gone Baby Gone

    Detective/Police – 21 Jump Street

    Disaster – The Martian

    Documentary – Ghosts of the Abyss

    Drama – Friday Night Lights

    Epic – Gladiator

    Escape/Heist – The Usual Suspects

    Espionage/Spy – Spies Like Us

    Experimental – N/A

    Fairy Tale – The Princess Bride

    Family-Friendly – Alice in Wonderland 51’

    Fantasy – Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters

    Gangster/Mafia – Road to Perdition

    Historical – Dunkirk

    Holiday – Halloween 18’

    Martial Arts – Kung Pow Enter The Fist

    Melodrama – Crimson Peak

    Military – 1917

    Mockumentary – What We Do in the Shadows

    Monster – Jaws

    Musical – Guys & Dolls

    Mystery – Knives Out

    Mythological – Troy

    Occult/Supernatural – Constantine

    Parody/Spoof – Galaxy Quest

    Period Piece – Dunkirk

    Political - Election

    Psychological – The Guest

    Revenge – John Wick

    Road Trip – Planes, Trains & Automobiles

    Rom-Com – Easy A

    Romance – Romancing the Stone

    Sci-Fi – Cabin in the Woods

    Slapstick – Airplane

    Slasher – Hot Fuzz

    Space Opera – Rogue One

    Sport – The Replacements

    Superhero – Spiderman No Way Home

    Survival – Apollo 13

    Suspense/Thriller – Get Out

    War – Saving Private Ryan

    Western - Unforgiven

    Just. So basic.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    I can also tell you from my days working at Hollywood Video that we had patrons who would come in and ask the staff for recommendations, almost exclusively. They knew which of us to ask about which genres, and when multiple of us liked the same movie, it was almost always a surefire hit.

    I will never forget the mom who came in with a gaggle of like 12-13 year old girls who wanted a scary movie for the birthday party sleepover, but they'd already seen everything in the horror section. My coworker and I both said, "Alien" at the same time, they rented it, and came back like 3 hours later and asked for more recommendations for movies to rent. It was the only time I've felt like I had a superpower, recommending my favorite movies to people, and getting paid to do it.

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    No streaming site out there can properly replicate the experience of walking around a video rental store, for many reasons but one that stands out to me is that while everything is organized by genre and they can have a wall with New and Featured Specials or whatever, the rental stores' inventory by and large is not curated to try and cater to you specifically, and that's actually a good thing when it comes to expanding people's media horizons!

    Sometimes you just went and wandered sections looking for shit that caught your eye. Can't replicate that with a screen.

    You definitely can? Go to a streaming service you've never used before, click on a genre tag and browse it, that's the same thing. This is a weird assertion, to me.

    You are describing something as being the same and I am telling you that my brain does not recognize it, primarily for the way Pooro described. It's different, it's visceral. It's the difference between wandering a library and coming across a book and looking at shit in a catalogue. They are completely foreign experiences within my brain and any attempt to try and say "No, they are" is trying to enforce your own world view in place of my own.

    It's the difference between seeing a tragedy on TV and seeing that tragedy up close and in person. It's different.

    This is why I've gotten back into vinyl and CD. There is something nice about physically flipping through the albums, maybe the title grabs my attention, or the artwork, and then actually having to pull it out, set up the turntable and play the music. Its more...present? Real? Its nice being able to handle these things with my hands. My setup does allow for streaming, and I do stream with it, but it really is not the same as having those tactile interactions with things.

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