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[Crypto and NFTs and associated garbage] "Stablecoin." PFFT BWAHAHAHAHA
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Well, as of this writing, crypto's in free-fall. Even the so-called "stablecoins," which were designed to always be worth a dollar each because of... reasons, now aren't.
If you're new here, yes, this crap is extremely confusing, and it seems like the more you learn, the dumber it gets. Here's possibly the best explainer on crypto and the associated NFT stuff. I know, it's long, but it's worth it.
If you're new here, yes, this crap is extremely confusing, and it seems like the more you learn, the dumber it gets. Here's possibly the best explainer on crypto and the associated NFT stuff. I know, it's long, but it's worth it.
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I think we could see NFTs significantly fade into the background, but crypto itself is just too useful as a cash-alternative for transactions that most governments can't easily regulate. Especially the extra-legal variety.
EDIT: I'm referencing Terra/Luna
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I can't find a reliable link at the moment, but I've been hearing rising interest rates are a huge reason crypto's crashing. When interest rates are low, many traditional forms of investing aren't really attractive at all, and rich doofuses seek out other places to put their money. When interest rates are higher, most rich doofuses realize the traditional forms of investing will produce a decent rate of return, and wacky scams and semi-scams are less attractive.
Because a growing investor sect is not involved in mining/using coins but trading them inside of exchanges like stocks without the figleaf of a corporate name attached, crypto trends have been loosely mirroring the larger market and tech stocks in particular.
The Ponzi part wasn’t the Terra/Luna coin part, per se, it was the Anchor Protocol, which was essentially a crypto bank that did personal loans and crypto savings accounts using Luna (backed by TerraUSD), and THAT was a very very obvious Ponzi- they advertised a 19.5% APY return on the “savings” equivalent and actually paid people a spiff of Luna for getting a loan, and the paperwork about “how can we do this” basically said “you, early adopter, will get paid because of all the exponential new fools clients this offer will generate”
If I purchase a standard share in a company, if the exchange/institution in which my stock is held goes bankrupt, I still own the underlying stock that I purchased. However, with Coinbase, they're apparently stating that if I own cryptocurrency through their standard wallet, what I actually own is an IOU to that particular cryptocurrency, and that the underlying "asset" is owned by Coinbase?
It is fascinating the sheer number of "how is this not a red flag?" that continually creep up surrounding the whole enterprise of cryptocurrency.
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Basically, yes.
Further, if the institution holding your stock goes bankrupt and OOPS they don't actually seem to *have* that stock listed in your portfolio for some reason*, they are required by law to have SIPC insurance (similar to FDIC or FCUA, it's deposit insurance for financial institutions) that will cover you.
*-there are both legitimate and illegitimate reasons this can happen. Illegitimate is that they're doing shadow transactions and not actually buying all the stocks customers think they are, or they started raiding customer holdings to avoid the bankruptcy. Legitimate (but usually still shady) being things like temporary trades in progress that the broker now can't complete due to the bankruptcy, leaving a discrepancy between client portfolios and broker holdings.
Yeah, it would… but no one is using any of them as a currency. Everyone is using them as an investment at the very best, a ponzi scheme most of the time. Even Bitcoin, the most famous cryptocurrency to the general population, isn’t used much to buy anything anymore.
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https://osboncapital.com/fed-actions-and-the-story-of-luna/
There still seems to be a lot of misinformation floating around on exactly what triggered the crash, with some mysterious big wallets cashing out and some of the liquidity pool vanishing 'temporarily' due to dev actions behind the scenes. The bolded part above definitely feels like a massive red flag to me though; if I were a scammer looking to cash out in a big way that feels like a great way to do it.
I am eagerly awaiting the Coffeezilla investigation to try and get some more details!
Think of coinbase like paypal, who does the exact same thing but with real currency. They swear they arent a bank, and thats good enough. It's just that but with crypto.
(I havent followed up on paypal in years since they were just the worst, but I dont assume they got any better or more regulated in a decade or more.)
That was a good watch, but it is still really credulous about the utility and function of this nonsense.
You see, when I said “never” I mea…..
OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT OVER THERE??!??
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And just further cemented how insane it is that such fragile and broken systems are allowed to continue unregulated
Edit: like here’s my summary-
“Here are all the ways that this system will inevitably fail, which literally includes ‘Elon Musk tweeted something’ as one of the reasons”
“But! Here are all the ways the system is set up to safeguard; demand! If people want Luna forever always there’s no problem!”
Like, these are scams, obviously. Who profits because Luna crashed?
Put that in your crazy helmet and smoke it!
The ones who sold right before it crashed.
Rich people, like always.
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Now, I'm basing this entirely on someone else's post on this forum. I've made no effort to independently confirm any of this.
But it sounds to me like that "federated reserve" might well have been printed on a literal rug, with a handle labeled "Pull Me."
If it’s not this, there really isn’t a winner, just people that got out “in time”
That's going to be the real death for the older bigger coins like Bitcoin.
E.g., i create pumpcoin, hold a few million coins for myself, start spreading out the others through giveaways or whatever means, selling cheap on third rate exchanges. Basically everyone who's holding paid in little to nothing at this point.
Though whatever luck and manipulation it gets into a major exchange. I use a bit of cash to trade my own coins to myself to inflate the value and make the trade volume look good, this basically just costs me the exchange fees.
The value starts nominally rising, the early adopters are all holding because they've got the greed. You might get a bit of real cash injected here as the latercomers want to buy in but not many people are selling except for me and my wash sales, so i basically get to set the price.
So now there's this billion dollar market cap but it's all coins that have never been legitimately sold.
Eventually, i or enough of the early holders start to cash out at once, suddenly the supply far outstrips the demand, and the price goes back to fractions of a cent.
"A billion dollars" disappeared but the only profit that was taken was whatever amount i was able to sell as we rode the crash to the floor.
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Apparently it has a whoopsie today and briefly fell to 0.96.
So that car might be running out of gas, too.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
If you ask me the people who actually win in such scenarios are the miners scraping fees out of every step of the process.
Which is just highlighting the issue that they've essentially created a technical solution to a social problem, which is to say, they have no ultimate use for these currencies. So of course they keep crashing when the underlying "economic model" runs into a problem of lack of demand for one aspect of it.
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I'm also not an expert in Luna, and even got my numbers wrong, but it was based on an interpretation of this tweet:
First, *LFG is not trying to exit its bitcoin position*.
The goal is to have this capital in the hands of a professional market maker such that:
1) Buy UST if price < peg
2) Buy BTC if price >= peg
thus significantly strengthening the liquidity around UST peg
where the foundation loaned out 1.5 billion in bitcoin to "A professional market maker" (unspecified) combined with posts from DeFi...random peeps, I guess... who claimed to have verified the transfer on the blockchain. (I don't know how to do that)
There is a large percentage chance that I'm wrong, as there's confusion at the time of writing, and even now, I'm not quite sure how this all works. I totally blame Crypto for this, as we're like 3 ponzi scheme's deep and everyone has a love affair with techno-babble.