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why does everything have to be so bad all the time

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    I'm a nihilist that is very bad at it because I believe in some stuff, like a thing called love.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    I'm a nihilist that is very bad at it because I believe in some stuff, like a thing called love.

    Sing to Crazy Little Thing Called Love verse 2:
    I'm a nihilist (that is bad)
    Because I believe in stuff
    It's all lies (so sad)
    Crazy little thing called love

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I've dipped in and out of Buddhism over the years but never felt it click. But last year I started looking at Stoicism, which ticks a ton of the same boxes as Buddhism but just differently enough that I've really gelled with it. It has definitely helped me a lot when shit things have happened over the past year.

    Are there any references on Stoicism you'd recommend? I'd be all for checking it out as well.

    Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

    aka 'Rub some dirt in it: or how I learned to hate my wife but love my boyfriend and have the worst son imaginable'

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I've dipped in and out of Buddhism over the years but never felt it click. But last year I started looking at Stoicism, which ticks a ton of the same boxes as Buddhism but just differently enough that I've really gelled with it. It has definitely helped me a lot when shit things have happened over the past year.

    Are there any references on Stoicism you'd recommend? I'd be all for checking it out as well.

    For modern books giving an introduction I liked How To Be A Stoic by Massimo Pigliucci and A Guide to The Good Life by William Irvine. For the classic texts the main ones are Seneca's Letters From a Stoic, and Epictetus' Discourses and Enchiridion aka Handbook. Marcus Aurelius' Meditations is another big one and I have it but I've never read it all, I feel like it's more useful once you've already fully got your head around the details.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Also Seneca on Stoicism I think is one. I started reading it but then never finished. Maybe I should go back to it.

    My one thing that I didn't like about stoicism is it seemed to be very, I dunno passive? I am not a passive person. If something is wrong there's a good chance you can fix it. I know most of it was more about learning to accept your life and the fragility of it and not being daunted by adversity and not so much "just deal with it because whatever" but sometimes it felt like that to me.

    This is definitely a common read of stoicism and something I also spent a lot of time pondering. But I think it's less "there's injustice in the world and you should just accept that." and more "if you believe there's injustice in the world then the virtuous thing to do is to work to fix it, but keep in mind that the only thing truly under your control is your will to fight injustice, and things may prevent you from winning the fight, but the important thing is that you fight, and also you might die tomorrow so whatever you're going to do, do it now and with the fullness of your being."

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Absurdism is probably where I fall nowadays

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    Bokononism for me.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Like I look around American society, it's suburbanism with houses like little fiefdoms, never having to interact with neighbors with ease, driving solo to places of work, and think "god fuck Marx shoulda been alive for this bullshit"

    Honestly this is the thing about America that I find the most unpleasant by far. The alienation of it.

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    LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I like not having to interact with my neighbours and I like driving alone TBH.

    I am very introverted and I need to feel like I can retreat into a private bubble at my own convenience.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Bokononism for me.

    I can think of a few people that could benefit from the hook

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Bokononism for me.

    How similar to Bonoboism is this?

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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Bokononism for me.

    How similar to Bonoboism is this?

    I tried studying Bonoboism for awhile but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Like I look around American society, it's suburbanism with houses like little fiefdoms, never having to interact with neighbors with ease, driving solo to places of work, and think "god fuck Marx shoulda been alive for this bullshit"

    Honestly this is the thing about America that I find the most unpleasant by far. The alienation of it.

    I wonder how many people went through the COVID lockdowns and came out realizing "oh man our society is built to literally isolate each other" but probably not

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    I hate neighbors and living shoulder to shoulder with people but also I despise urban sprawl even more.

    We've eaten up so much pretty land for fucking mini strip malls and cookie cutter neighborhoods and and random carwashes. It makes me sick.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I would love to live in a walkable community.

    I would destroy my car like a bonus stage in Street Fighter 2.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Bonoboism is scissoring it out

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Not like Dave Coulier

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    I hate neighbors and living shoulder to shoulder with people but also I despise urban sprawl even more.

    We've eaten up so much pretty land for fucking mini strip malls and cookie cutter neighborhoods and and random carwashes. It makes me sick.

    Part of it is we build our multi-tenant buildings so poorly here. It can be done decently, but the US doesn't incentivize it.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Bokononism for me.

    How similar to Bonoboism is this?

    I tried studying Bonoboism for awhile but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.

    That's Bonoism, LL. I don't know how you fucked it up this badly, but we'll be sending an extraction unit to aid your escape.

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    Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    Bokononism for me.

    How similar to Bonoboism is this?

    I tried studying Bonoboism for awhile but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.

    That's Bonoism, LL. I don't know how you fucked it up this badly, but we'll be sending an extraction unit to aid your escape.

    Thank God! I'd tell you where I am for the extraction, but for some reason the streets have no names.

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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    i'm kinda bummed out about all the time in my life that's been wasted processing my emotions about all of the terrible shit happening in the world and all of the terrible things that have happened to me personally and the interactions between them

    it would have been nice if those things had instead not happened, and i had spent that time doing things that i enjoy and living my life

    oh well!

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    HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    God, Tyson is just fucking insufferable, isn't he?

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Norm sucked too, but that's a good one

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I'm a nihilist that is very bad at it because I believe in some stuff, like a thing called love.

    You can believe in things and still be a nihilist! There's lots of flavors of nihilism but the one most people mean when they just say "nihilism" is existential nihilism, which just holds that the universe, and life, have no inherent, built-in value. But that just means you form your own values and you decide what's important! There are no atoms of justice or molecules of mercy but that just means we gotta make em up ourselves

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I'm a nihilist that is very bad at it because I believe in some stuff, like a thing called love.

    You can believe in things and still be a nihilist! There's lots of flavors of nihilism but the one most people mean when they just say "nihilism" is existential nihilism, which just holds that the universe, and life, have no inherent, built-in value. But that just means you form your own values and you decide what's important! There are no atoms of justice or molecules of mercy but that just means we gotta make em up ourselves

    That’s absurdism.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    It's both

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    You're both

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    lol gotem

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Hell yeah

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I can't believe it.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    You're both

    that's also absurdism

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    *kermit voice* that's absurd

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    You're both

    that's also absurdism

    Mods?!

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    You're both

    that's also absurdism

    You're probably not my real dad, you can't say that to me!

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    You're both

    that's also absurdism

    *whispers* that’s Chappie

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I would love to live in a walkable community.

    I would destroy my car like a bonus stage in Street Fighter 2.

    Cheyenne was walkable? in a way as you could tell what part of the city was built when from the original city with it's very square blocks and straight streets to the boom of the 50's to the 70's shopping malls to the condos of the 80's
    As where I lived in the boom area at my grandfather's house it was walkable to go to store or to a number of other places


    Where I live now makes no sense how it's laid out as my brother and I agree it was planned and built as it went. Is it walkable no, On a bike barely in a car just as confusing.
    I can bike to the store {it's far easier to bike to one location than the location that is down the street because of the interchange
    As it takes me round trip about a hour to go to the store and back with shopping on the bike and most of it is navigating the residential maze

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited June 2022
    I like not having to interact with my neighbours and I like driving alone TBH.

    I am very introverted and I need to feel like I can retreat into a private bubble at my own convenience.

    Its not that you can avoid people, its that our society is built around forcing you to forgo community.

    anyway, been thinking about this song lately

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBrgHEF8EfE&ab_channel=Defiance%2COhio-Topic
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    It's both

    but but that would be absurd

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I'm a nihilist that is very bad at it because I believe in some stuff, like a thing called love.

    You can believe in things and still be a nihilist! There's lots of flavors of nihilism but the one most people mean when they just say "nihilism" is existential nihilism, which just holds that the universe, and life, have no inherent, built-in value. But that just means you form your own values and you decide what's important! There are no atoms of justice or molecules of mercy but that just means we gotta make em up ourselves

    And there are no atoms of magnetic field or molecules of force, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Just because we have difficulty describing with words what a kind of behavior is (and mercy is a kind of behavior) or when people are being treated fairly (which is what justice is) doesn't mean we have no idea what they are or that they don't exist.

    Like, value assigning and seeking is a phenomenon exclusive to life that every living thing does by themselves from the moment they become alive, from the tiniest bacteria seeking nutrients to sunflowers turning towards the sun to the smartest apes (us) and our valuing, among other things, the peaceful presence of our fellow living things (humans, pets, friendly/useful critters, etc.) and everything they (and we) depend on to live. We can be mistaken about whether some specific object or process has value or not, but value itself and the ability to evaluate value is a real as life is. We need to value things (and seek valuable things) as much as we need breathing (and breathing is a valuable thing!). And, like breathing, the world isn't always cooperative to our need for attaining valuable things. Life is difficult, and that's okay. It's still worth living. It still has value.

    Here's a webcomic strip about the true meaning of existential despair:

    Why Gather Nuts for Winter

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I like not having to interact with my neighbours and I like driving alone TBH.

    I am very introverted and I need to feel like I can retreat into a private bubble at my own convenience.

    Its not that you can avoid people, its that our society is built around forcing you to forgo community.


    There's a long tradition of hermit-ism and other isolationist practices even within communal societies, it's not like people are gonna force you to not be introverted. As sammich says, it's more that US suburban society actively puts barriers in the way of forming communities and support networks, that's the problem.

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