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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    The Intercept’s DC Bureau chief Ryan Grim, quote tweeting freelance journalist Noga Tarnopolsky, who has a copy of an Israeli news broadcast talking about how the IDF had intel two weeks before 10/7 about the upcoming attacks, including the proposed number of hostages they were aiming to bring back into Gaza:


    https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1802758171129524461?s=61
    💥Breaking: An IDF document distributed only 2 weeks before October 7 accurately described Hamas' plan to invade southern Israel, down to the number of civilians and soldiers to be captured & taken to Gaza. Huge scoop from @SuleimanMas1

    That they had this document in hand and still approved the Nova rave for an extra night is horrifying

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    if you google any pro-Palestine phrase you will be met with paid featured results saying the phrase is antisemitic because that is what israeli public affairs does. shit, if you google "pro palestine phrases" the featured result is from the australian version of AIPAC that says "pro Palestine slogans are calls for terrorism and genocide". one of the "phrases" they say is antisemitic is literally just the word "resistance"

    israel has a whole industry for zionist propaganda intent on dehumanizing Palestinian people and delegitimizing pro-Palestine movements. they spend an incredible amount of money on it, from small time social media influencers to fuckin' super bowl commercials

    [given the long, awful history of conspiracy theories regarding Jewish people, i feel i must again note that i am not talking about Judaism or Jewish people here; i am referring to the well documented and easily seeable political propaganda practiced by the israeli government and other zionists politicians and firms around the world that do not hide what they are doing because they do not view Palestinians as humans and think they are doing nothing wrong. Judaism ≠ zionism]

    https://www.jta.org/2024/06/18/united-states/adl-faces-wikipedia-ban-over-reliability-concerns-on-israel-antisemitism

    "Wikipedia’s editors have voted to declare the Anti-Defamation League “generally unreliable” on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, adding it to a list of banned and partially banned sources."

    specifically in regards to israel's genocide upon Palestinians and issues of antisemitism, due to the ADL's consistent labeling of anything pro-Palestine or anti-zionist as antisemitic
    Mira Sucharov, a professor of political science at Carleton University, said Wikipedia’s decision represents a major opportunity to reflect on why the ADL is facing scrutiny and rethink communal approaches for fighting antisemitism.

    “This is a sign that the Jewish community needs better institutions,” she said.

    she's right. the increasing conflation of anti-zionism with antisemitism distracts from actual antisemitism and continues to prove that zionism is a danger to the Jewish community (white supremacy always is!)

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    absolutely the right call

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/top-israeli-generals-approve-lebanon-offensive-battle-plans-army-says/

    The head of the IDF’s Northern Command Maj. Gen. Ori Gordin and head of the Operations Directorate Maj. Gen. Oded Basiuk approved Lebanon battle plans today, the military says.

    In a statement, the IDF says the generals held an assessment, during which “operational plans for an offensive in Lebanon were approved.”

    The top commanders also made decisions regarding “accelerating the readiness of the forces on the ground,” the military adds.

    “shit we’re running out of Gaza to turn into rubble. Guess it’s time to expand into a regional war!”

    There will be absolutely no excuse whatsoever if we continue to abet Israel’s crimes in this fetid nightmare

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular

    This before and after video of Rafah is a great visual representation of the Biden Admin’s so-called “red line” literally moving with Israel’s wave of destruction.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Don't believe Netanyahu, says White House. We're giving them so many weapons you guys.
    The Biden administration on Tuesday rejected Benjamin Netanyahu's accusation that Washington had been "withholding weapons and ammunitions" from its close ally over the "past few months." The Israeli leader implied that this was hampering his military's ongoing offensive in Gaza, now focused on the southern city of Rafah.

    "We genuinely do not know what he is talking about. We just don't,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said as she maintained that only one shipment of heavy bombs had been paused since the war began, while billions of dollars of arms have continued to flow into Israel.
    Also Wednesday, the United Nations human rights office said the laws of war were most likely being "consistently violated" in the Israeli military's assault on the Palestinian enclave, citing the use of heavy bombs. The new assessment came as some focus was turning north to Israel's border with Lebanon, where Israel and the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah have intensified their exchanges of fire and rhetoric while the U.S. worked to avoid an all-out war.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Charges dropped against most protestors at Columbia
    New York prosecutors have dropped all criminal against most students and activists arrested for occupying a Columbia university building to protest at the Gaza war.

    Of the 46 people arrested in April in connection with the occupation of Hamilton Hall, 31 had their charges dismissed on Thursday.
    All 46 protesters, who were arrested on the night of April 30, were initially charged with trespass in the third degree, a misdemeanour.

    Manhattan district attorney's office told a court on Thursday that they would drop the charges against 31 protesters citing "prosecutorial discretion and lack of evidence".

    Prosecutors also told 14 others that their cases would be dropped if they avoided being arrested in the next six months. The defendants rejected the offer and are all due back in court on 25 July.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    happy for the ones that got their charges dropped and proud of the ones that rejected the state's offer

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    happy for the ones that got their charges dropped and proud of the ones that rejected the state's offer

    Reportedly they've stated that they will refuse any deals unless the protestors from CUNY and City College also receive the same deals.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    https://apnews.com/article/e2a8359bcea1bd833f71845ee6af780d
    JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled unanimously that the military must begin drafting ultra-Orthodox men for military service, a decision that could lead to the collapse of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing coalition as Israel continues to wage war in Gaza.

    The court ruled that in the absence of a law that distinguishes between Jewish seminary students and other draftees, Israel’s compulsory military service system applies to the ultra-Orthodox like any other citizens.

    Under longstanding arrangements, ultra-Orthodox men have been exempt from the draft, which is compulsory for most Jewish men and women. These exemptions have long been a source of anger among the secular public, a divide that has widened during the eight-month-old war, as the military has called up tens of thousands of soldiers and says it needs all the manpower it can get. Over 600 soldiers have been killed.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited June 25
    Many politicians, including Biden, are out there condemning "violent anti-Semitic protests" outside a synagogue in Los Angeles on the 23rd, saying things like "no one should feel unsafe gathering at a place of worship."

    A couple problems with this framing:
    There was a protest outside one specific synagogue, because the synagogue was hosting a sales event by an Israeli real estate company that offers illegal settlements in the West Bank.

    The violence that occurred was done by pro-Zionist counter-protestors while the LAPD stood by and watched. Some truly vile things were said, but not on the pro-Palestinian side. West Side Today has a number of clips of footage from the protest, if you need to see some examples of this for yourself.

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    ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
    Biden and a lot of white Democrats don't believe non-whites like Palestinians are even humans with equal rights, so not surprised at all at the continued aiding and abetting by the Biden administration. To him and a lot of his supporters, he's met or exceeded expectations. Anyone expressing concern for the safety of non-white foreigners are simply labeled antisemitic terrorism supporters

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    https://apnews.com/article/f3e21c072630c0d9cb9498d3a0e27a55
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The pier built by the U.S. military to bring aid to Gaza is being removed due to weather to protect it, and the U.S. is considering not re-installing it unless aid begins flowing out into the population again, several U.S. officials said Friday.

    While the military has helped deliver desperately needed food through the pier, the vast majority of it is still sitting in the adjacent storage yard because of the difficulty that agencies have had moving it to areas in Gaza where it is most needed, and that storage area is almost full.

    The pier has been instrumental in getting more than 15 million pounds, or 6.8 million kilograms, of food into Gaza but has faced multiple setbacks. Rough seas damaged the pier just days into its initial operations, but the bigger challenge has been that humanitarian convoys have stopped carrying the aid from the pier’s storage area further into Gaza, to get it into civilians’ hands, because they have come under attack.

    The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military movements.

    Farce served its utility and will now be removed.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Have to cut back somewhere in order to ramp up your weapons shipments in preparation for Israel declaring war against Hezbollah, I guess.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    More details on the farce that is the US pier:

    All that humanitarian aid "delivered" to Gaza this past month had only started actually being given to Gazans yesterday.
    The U.N. World Food Programme on Friday distributed food aid brought ashore by the U.S. military pier system to Gaza’s population for the first time since June 9, according to two U.S. officials.

    The U.S. military has continued to deliver aid to the beach in Gaza via its floating dock and temporary pier, known as the JLOTS system, but the aid has piled up for weeks because the U.N. suspended distribution amid security concerns.

    There are now an estimated 15 million pounds of aid on the shore, officials say, awaiting movement to nearby warehouses.

    What a fucking joke. Instead of having the aid sit in a queue outside of Gaza, it sits on the shore inside Gaza, surrounded by Israeli forces that will kill any Gazans who might approach.

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    Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    Here in Washington, wannabe progressive Congressional candidate Emily Randall decided that it would be a good idea to cheerlead for Israel's genocide. How well has that been going for her?
    Progressives are pulling their support for state Sen. Emily Randall, who is running for Congress in the 6th District, after she signaled a strong commitment to Israel in her first public stance on the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
    Distancing herself from her staffer’s sympathy toward Palestinians, Randall went on to express her firm support for Israel’s actions in Gaza.
    ...
    The news of Randall firing her campaign staffer spread around progressive, Muslim, and other political groups. Some expressed outrage that Randall would perpetuate what some have called a “new McCarthyism” related to pro-Palestine views and protest.
    Mubarak Elamin, an organizer with the American Muslim Advancement Council (AMAC), said Randall’s campaign and her progressive values previously piqued the organization’s interest, but now they have “lost interest.”

    The 27th LD Democrats will discuss potentially revoking their endorsement at their next meeting, Chair Whitney Stevens said in an email.
    Randall may also specifically lose queer support. Individual members of the Washington Stonewall Democrats seem interested in revisiting their endorsement, but in a message to The Stranger, Chair Andrew Ashiofu said the organization is still “looking for more information at this time.”

    Some spineless politicians claim that AIPAC's money is scary. Clearly they need to be more afraid of anti-genocide voters withdrawing their support.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 1
    As a local, it cannot be stated how much of an unforced error this was on her part. She was already a left-wing candidate in a race where she wasn't going to be the mainstream favorite (the area leans heavily Dem, but left-of-center Dem, not left left Dem), but this has basically annihilated her core target constituency in one fell swoop. I haven't seen a local candidate self-immolate so quickly in quite some time. It's actually quite amazing how unpopular she has become in such short order for voicing full-throated support of Israel's genocidal policies.

    Which, honestly? Good. Crash and burn, genocide-enabler. You can't credibly claim to be left-wing if you support Israel's actions in Gaza, and Randall just shredded all of her credibility with one choice.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular


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    I mean that literally. Concentration camps rose out of 19th-century military strategies designed to crush terrorists and rebels by creating holding areas for noncombatants, though it was understood even then that their use would cause *civilians* horrific suffering.

    These earliest recognizable concentration camps were in Cuba, southern Africa, and the Philippines, and they built on the legacy of Spanish, German, British, and US government treatment of indigenous people in the Americas and elsewhere.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Lesson some won't take with Bowman and Randall, is that the worst mistake you can make is being inconsistent on your policy stances and having no damn good explanation for why you changed stances. It just means no one is going to like you and good like winning any sort of election.

    I mean FFS, this is the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Where a ton of facts are already known, and any flipping to appease AIPAC is going to be rightly called out. AIPAC has a shitty position, which is that the "US dare not every call the Israeli government out for it's bullshit and offer it unconditional support." Also to be clear, fuck AIPAC. Fuck their pro-genocide stance, pro-corruption mindset and their pro-rightwing government shit. Also fuck them for insisting that US politicians can't call Israel out and need to put Israel's right wing government ahead of the actual people those politicians should be serving.

    Of course, AIPAC is going to refuse to learn that lesson and strongly insist that they and they alone change the outcome of the race, when chances are they likely didn't even matter. Granted, learning that lesson would force them to concede that they really aren't relevant anymore in democratic circles.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    The Australian Parliament had a bill put forward by the Green Party, who hold the balance of power in the senate to recognise Palestine.

    The current party in government, Labor, who have recognition of Palestine as part of their party platform did not support the bill and let it fail with the sole exception of Senator Fatima Payman, a 29 year old Muslim woman from Western Australian, who crossed the floor to vote with the Greens.
    The Australian senators on Tuesday made a fresh effort in parliament to recognize the Palestinian state but failed as the Labor-led government opposed the motion.

    The motion was moved in the Senate by lawmaker Mehreen Faruqi, deputy leader of the Australian Greens party.

    It was the second attempt in as many months by Australian lawmakers to follow 145 nations that recognize Palestine as an independent state.

    "Today, I moved a simple motion calling for a basic, fundamental act of justice, to recognize Palestine. I’m pleased that my friend Senator Payman had the courage & principle to support the motion and cross the floor. The rest of Labor failed this basic moral test," Faruqi said on X.

    The young senator from Western Australia Fatima Payman crossed the floor and supported the motion.

    It is the first time a Labor politician has crossed the floor since 1986, to support any motion, while the party was in power.

    According to the party rules, she could face action over the position taken against her party's decision.

    However, Payman stood by her decision and said she was not elected as a "token representative of diversity."

    "I was elected to serve the people of Western Australia and uphold the values instilled in me by my late father. Today I have made a decision that would make him proud and make everyone proud who is on the side of humanity," she told reporters, following the parliament vote on Palestine.
    Last month, the Australian parliament's House of Representatives also blocked a similar attempt by the Greens to recognize a Palestinian state with five votes in favor and 80 against.

    This led to the Labor party suspending Payman from the next caucus meeting. She was attacked by Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister and a gay woman who was herself forced to argue and vote against the legalisation of gay marriage for many years while Labor held government and the party was against the issue.

    When Fatima Payman was asked why she was unwilling to Wong's example, she said that it took ten years to pass marriage equality and the Palestinian people do not have ten years.

    She was then summoned to the Prime Minister's office to speak and asked if she would continue in defiance of the party's position to which she replied that she would continue to vote her conscience.

    Senator Payman has now been suspended indefinitely from the party caucus.
    Labor senator Fatima Payman drew heavy fire from her colleagues on Monday morning after she was banished from the federal party for her defiance over Palestine.

    The senator was summoned to the prime minister's Canberra residence on Sunday afternoon after she declared she would continue to vote with her conscience on Palestinian recognition.

    There she was told she would be suspended from the parliamentary party, a move that stopped short of total expulsion and left the door open to her return if she agreed to follow the Labor caucus rules.

    But in the meantime she remains in limbo, telling the ABC's Insiders earlier on Sunday she did not want to leave the Labor party but would vote for any future Senate motion on Palestinian recognition.
    Senator Payman has maintained her choice to vote last week for a Greens motion on Palestinian recognition was consistent with the Labor party's platform, which regards recognition as "an important priority" and endorses a two-state solution.

    "We cannot continue to support a two-state solution and only recognise one," she said.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWCjKyPflC4

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    This being after our Prime Minister (a week or so ago) decried the thread title in Question Time as an attack on a two-state solution and confirmed that the Labour government still wished to see a two-state solution.
    Good on Payman.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    What does being suspended mean. Can she still vote as part of the senate?

    Banishing her is such a terrible look for them, but I already put Labor last on any ballot because of shit like this. (Naturally all the worse parties aren't on it at all).

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    Oh yeah.
    Parties have no way of forcing a member out of Parliament, and forcing them to no longer represent their electorate.
    But if you don't follow the party line, you're not getting the party name next to you next election time, and no chance of being a minister or being in any of the parliamentary hearing seats.
    Not sure if they can gag you in question time etc as well. I'd imagine that would need opposition support anyway.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    What does being suspended mean. Can she still vote as part of the senate?

    Banishing her is such a terrible look for them, but I already put Labor last on any ballot because of shit like this. (Naturally all the worse parties aren't on it at all).

    She can still vote, but she can't participate in caucus meetings to determine party policy.

    She gained her seat due to Labor performing so well in WA during Covid, so it's very likely she'll lose her senate seat in 2028.

    But that's four years away, and she'll be getting paid two hundred thousand dollars a year to be able to vote in the meantime.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    al-Shifa Hospital's director has been released from Israeli captivity after seven months, with yet more accounts of systemic prisoner starvation, torture, and abuse.
    Israel released 55 prisoners on Monday to free up space in its jails, unconfirmed reports claimed. Speaking shortly after his return to Gaza, al-Shifa Hospital Director Muhammad Abu Salmiya asserted that Palestinian prisoners in Israel’s prisons were facing daily abuse.

    With thousands of Palestinians having been added to those already detained since the war began on October 7, Israel’s prisons are “full,” reported the Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation.

    Abu Salmiya was arrested amid claims by the Israeli military that Hamas was using al-Shifa Hospital as a base. The medical chief said no charge had ever been laid against him.

    Freed after more than seven months of custody, he said detainees endured “daily physical and psychological humiliation” in captivity.

    “Our detainees have been subjected to all kinds of torture behind bars,” he said at a news conference in Gaza. “There was almost daily torture. Cells are broken into and prisoners are beaten.
    Recounting the alleged abuse, Abu Salmiya said guards broke his finger and doled out beatings using batons and dogs.

    Medical staff were responsible for abuse and neglect too, he said, with some detainees’ limbs amputated due to poor medical care.

    The captives were also severely underfed while in custody, he added, surviving on nothing more than a loaf of bread per day for two months. All of them lost at least 30kg (66lb), he said.

    What's the Israeli government have to say about this?
    Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says the release of the director of al-Shifa Hospital “is a scandal and a major failure”.

    “I appealed to the prime minister, demanding an immediate investigation into this failure and to demand answers from all those responsible without exception in order to ensure that nothing of this kind will happen again,” he was quoted as saying by Israeli media.
    Far-right Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir branded the move as “security negligence”.

    Forme war cabinet minister Benny Gantz said whoever ordered their release should be dismissed and called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to “close some government offices to free up space and budget for prisoners”.

    Ah, of course.

    In other news, Al Jazeera has obtained video footage of multiple instances of Israeli forces using Palestinian human shields. The journalist Younis Tirawi has translated the footage if you wish to view it here
    I translated Al Jazeera’s exclusive report on footage showing Palestinians being used as human shields

    The footage reveals instances such as forcing men to search for explosives, tying them with ropes & throwing them into tunnels, and using injured to search for fighters

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Reminder too the IDF does that all the time with Palestinians as living bomb detectors. Even to children.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/world/palestinian-children-tortured-used-as-shields-by-israel-un-idUSBRE95J0FR/
    It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.

    Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.

    "Almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted," it said.

    Our most vaunted ally in the Middle East, everyone. The light of Democracy and Freedom against the savage hordes.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    More commentary on the release and the government’s response:

    1/ The IDF and Shin Bet have released Shifa hospital director Mohammad Abu Salmiya after months of detention back to the Gaza strip. Israel's government is in an uproar. This state of affairs demonstrates the depths of Israel's unhinged mendacity. --->

    2/ IDF and Shin Bet don't release a-n-y-o-n-e unless they absolutely have to because not even the most trumped up charges will stick. The director's release proves conclusively that the entire campaign around the destruction of Shifa was a barefaced lie. --->

    3/ Israel classifies pretty much any behavior remotely related to Palestinian politics as "aiding and abetting terrorism". Israel presented its destruction of Shifa first as a campaign against the biggedt terrorist HQ in the strip. That was proven to be a lie. --->

    4/ Then Israel claimed that the hospital was a hideout for terrorists and that the entire staff was complicit. The director's release (he was presented as high-ranking office in Hamas) reveals the opposite. Israel would have stuck to its guns if it could. It can't. --->

    5/ The release has caused a stir in government and among unabashed supporters of the genocide. Netanyahu has helped establish a "forum" of hostage relatives who support a "total victory" (an extremely small minority among hostage relatives). They are protesting. --->

    6/ Government ministers are protesting, some demanding the dismissal of the head of Shin Bet who has become "welfare officer for the terrorists". What can we learn from this? First, that Israel operates a broad, effective apparatus for the dissemination of lies. --->

    7/ The PR campaign about Shifa was one of the largest, most extravagant propaganda productions of this genocidal campaign. Director Abu Salmiya's release certifies this fact. Second, that for the leaders of Israel's government there are "no bystanders in Gaza". --->

    8/ It began as revenge. Now it is an ideologically driven campaign of "elimination", particularly when it comes to any and all infrastructure in the strip. Israel's government wants to make Gaza unlivable by any means necessary. Third, Israel's institutions are collapsing. --->

    9/ The military and other security organizations speak with a voice different from the government's. No one is even pretending to define "military goals", the fictitious justification for the genocide. It is a free for all. Even the lies are collapsing.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular


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    Ben-Gvir pushing for a reprise of the Final Solution, but for the a Palestinian people, with not even an ounce of irony

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited July 2
    ...even Rheinhart Heydrech and Himmler maintained euphemisms after the Wansee conference in official releases...*headbutts desk*

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Yeah the problem isn't the conditions the prisoners were experiencing, the problem was that they were releasing prisoners at all, rather than summarily executing them without charges.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited July 3
    (Assal Rad holds a PhD in Modern Middle East Historyn, the other Twitter user I cite doesn't have their credentials in their bio but I'm linking because they are providing another video from the exchange, not because of their own credentials.)

    https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1808200694878687621
    Wow, watch this exchange between reporters and StateSpox.

    [at]tombateman: You say it’s your policy but it’s not, it’s something that you’re saying but what you’re actually doing is militarizing the force that allows settlements to exist

    Patel: It absolutely is our policy

    Lee: Leahy process has resulted in what?

    Patel: Matt…

    Lee: I think, Vedant, the problem is what a lot of people are raising is that yes you do have these levers, but you’re not using them
    https://x.com/brokenmirror33/status/1808242614594162952
    what preceded this exchange was also just as brutal.

    [at]tombateman
    asks STATE about their confusion in their policy re: West Bank where US is actively arming the IDF going in to protect settlements, while publicly advocating against settlement expansion.

    I hope the press keeps hammering at every press conference on this shit. There have been a few folks who have been consistently pushing back on the Biden admin's narratives for a while, but this seems like an escalation.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    In looking at conditions in Israel's prisons, Times of Israel reports that Israel is holding somewhere around 21,000 Palestinians in their prisons, literally more than twice the number human rights orgs had believed to being held.
    According to Bar’s letter, conditions for prisoners were worsening, as jails were only meant to handle 14,000 prisoners, but were holding 21,000.

    "The prison crisis has negative strategic consequences for Israel, first and foremost in terms of international legitimacy for the continuation of the war. This is a danger for the future of the country’s security,” he reportedly wrote, adding that poor conditions for prisoners could be considered crimes under international law, and would harm Israel’s ability to defend itself against potential arrest warrants served by the International Criminal Court.

    And because everyone is angry the head of al-Shifa hospital was released (despite him never bring charged with anything), they are deciding to create even more apartheid red tape to prevent releasing Palestinians even after their torture sessions are done without any confessions compelled from them.
    The statement from Netanyahu also said representatives from the Defense Ministry, IDF, Shin Bet, and National Security Council would form a body to approve the release of detainees whose interrogations had been completed.

    It did not specify whether the body would be limited to detainees captured from Gaza.

    Taking notes from Gitmo as well as Abu Ghraib.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    I see they're chugging right along to the Indefinite Detention in Prison Camps phase of ethnic cleansing. Next up: Extermination Centers.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I see they're chugging right along to the Indefinite Detention in Prison Camps phase of ethnic cleansing. Next up: Extermination Centers.

    Right now I'd put the Israeli's miming of the process/timeline somewhere after Nohra and more in a Sachsenhausen/Buchenvald place, but not quite to an Auschwitz/Birkenau state.

    I hope to hell something happens before they get to that point.

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    I see they're chugging right along to the Indefinite Detention in Prison Camps phase of ethnic cleansing. Next up: Extermination Centers.

    That's basically just what Ben Gvir is proposing, isn't it? Enacting the death penalty for terrorists.
    And, of course, we all know how broad the Isreali government's and IDF's definition of "terrorist" can seem.*


    * "Male, Palestinian, and breathing", I'd reckon? With children being provisional terrorists since either they're Hamas-trained child soldiers or because nits make lice, depending on which government official you ask.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited July 4
    Following on from Aus:
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    Remember to rug up if you're climbing on top of Parlie House. It gets cold in the mornings.

    It's also amusing to see that the semi-permanent construction fences to stop people walking on top of the hill containing Parliament House are doing nothing, aside preventing school trips from having kids roll down the hill.

    Of course, Jacqui Lambie and the Liberal party were pushing a second reading of a bill yesterday to investigate protests on University campuses.
    Which is infuriating.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Nice.

    Question time has been closed to public viewing, because I guess they didn't want to be possibly harangued further, even if all the original protestors are no longer there.

    Meanwhile, Payman is having her press release quitting the Labor party, completely drawing the press coverage away from Question Time (which is generally where politicians get airtime and get hits in on the other side).

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited July 4
    Israel has approved the largest seizure of land in the occupied West Bank in over three decades, a settlement tracking group said Wednesday, a move that is likely to worsen already soaring tensions linked to the war in Gaza.

    Israel’s aggressive expansion in the West Bank reflects the settler community’s strong influence in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the most religious and nationalist in the country’s history. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a settler himself, has turbocharged the policy of expansion, seizing new authorities over settlement development and saying he aims to solidify Israel’s hold on the territory and prevent the creation of a Palestinian state.

    Authorities recently approved the appropriation of 12.7 square kilometers (nearly 5 square miles) of land in the Jordan Valley, according to a copy of the order obtained by The Associated Press. Data from Peace Now, the tracking group, indicate it was the largest single appropriation approved since the 1993 Oslo accords at the start of the peace process.

    Settlement monitors said the land grab connects Israeli settlements along a key corridor bordering Jordan, a move they said undermines the prospect of a contiguous Palestinian state.

    The theft of more Palestinian land in the West Bank, this time with the goal make the possibility of a two state solution via a contiguous Palestinian border harder.

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-07-03-2024-033deab379a16efdf9989de8d6eaf0f8?taid=6685324f30fb670001894c1a

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