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[Total War] CA's apology tour

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    i thought videogames were meant to be escapism but then they asking the truly hard questions

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    dam... really makes u thonk... i like ketchup but i hate fruit and vegetal...

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Two thoughts:
    1. There are like, 7 chaos factions presently in game.
    2. Chaos dwarves were basically forgotten by GW for over a decade.

    GW forgot them, but Forgeworld didn’t. They released a full rostered army for Chaos Dwarves (Legions of Azgorh). Which is very likely what CA will use if/when they add them.

    CA isn't allowed to just add things. Everything has to be approved by GW before it goes into the game. This is why they won't say if Ind or Khuresh will be added down the road: they want to, by GW has not approved them to do so. So, if GW said "No Forgeworld Chaos Dwarfs" then there is nothing CA can do about it.

    Sure, but the fact that they’re Forgeworld isn’t an automatic disqualification.

    War Mammoths, Skinwolves, Fimir and Wolf Rats, Dread Saurian, Necrofex Colossus, Mournguls, Rogue Idols and more I’m probably forgetting were all Forgeworld, either directly using their miniature design or the artwork.

    Given those all made it, I’d say the fact the Legion of Azgorh being Forgeworld would be the least considered reason to it add them.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Everybody kind of assumes Chaos Dwarves are the first post IE DLC. I imagine there are a lot of reasons for the order they are releasing in

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Two thoughts:
    1. There are like, 7 chaos factions presently in game.
    2. Chaos dwarves were basically forgotten by GW for over a decade.

    GW forgot them, but Forgeworld didn’t. They released a full rostered army for Chaos Dwarves (Legions of Azgorh). Which is very likely what CA will use if/when they add them.

    I'm not even sure it was that they forgot them so much as... well... Their lore kind of fucked them.

    Like, they were evil dwarves (this is fine) who liked slavery (sure, they're evil and they love it) who were in the midddle of nowhere (Less fine) and focused pretty much on defense as opposed to expansion beyond sporadic raids (Getting worse) that went as far as... the borders of kislev (Which for most of WH's history could be generously described as the tip of the longest hair on the ass end of nowhere).

    So aside from fights with orcs and on rare occasions real dwarves they simply didn't interact with any of the other factions in a meaningful way.

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    LordSolarMachariusLordSolarMacharius Red wine with fish Registered User regular
    The Chaos Dwarfs were in the OG game one datamine, so they've always been planned.

    Plus, a datamined game three faction introduction voiceover tells someone to be wary of the Legions of Azgorh: "Exercise caution my lord, for your scouts bring word of Chaos Dwarfs nearby. The Legion of Azgorh are a callous and black-hearted foe, bearing little resemblance to their untainted cousins to the west. Keep your weapons close at hand."

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    IblisIblis Registered User regular
    If you aren't so hot on the price of the new DLC, fanatical has a sale that last for about 10 more hours that has it at 25% off if that helps anyone at all.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    dude greasus goldtooth walking into the domain of slaanesh and resisting all the carnal pleasures because he just wants a really big chicken nugget and they keep offering him sexy time

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    The Chaos Dwarfs were in the OG game one datamine, so they've always been planned.

    Plus, a datamined game three faction introduction voiceover tells someone to be wary of the Legions of Azgorh: "Exercise caution my lord, for your scouts bring word of Chaos Dwarfs nearby. The Legion of Azgorh are a callous and black-hearted foe, bearing little resemblance to their untainted cousins to the west. Keep your weapons close at hand."

    In my head I automatically read that in crow boys voice. Probably the most iconic part of the Warhammer games by now.

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    KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Iblis wrote: »
    If you aren't so hot on the price of the new DLC, fanatical has a sale that last for about 10 more hours that has it at 25% off if that helps anyone at all.

    IIRC Fanatical doesn't given the key until release day

    Some other sites with current deals.

    Though they may be same deal

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    The “Greasus the shockingly obese” voice line is like branded on my brain

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Iblis wrote: »
    If you aren't so hot on the price of the new DLC, fanatical has a sale that last for about 10 more hours that has it at 25% off if that helps anyone at all.

    That 12 is Days, not hours.

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    IblisIblis Registered User regular
    Oh, you are correct. So I guess the line filling up must be the supply of keys.

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    IIRC Fanatical have a ‘loading bar’ and a timer.

    The timer is the time left, the bar is the keys left.

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Speaking of Forgeworld, I still wish they'd do a Feral Beasts DLC using the monsters in Monstrous Arcanum that won't make it into a DLC pack. Add a special recruitment tab that's randomly available in certain regions and add them as beast hunts for Norsca and Rakarth.

    Because there's some cool shit in there. Basilisk, Carmine Dragon, Dread Maw, Magma Dragon, Toad Dragon, Merwyrm, Warpfire Dragon, Preyton... Just so much fodder for a cool DLC that you could add to all races.

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    ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    I am ready.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    I really liked that video. Can't really say why, I just thought it was a nicely done flythrough of the map.

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    ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    I really liked that video. Can't really say why, I just thought it was a nicely done flythrough of the map.

    it's also a really cool (and really long!) summation of all they've added to Total Warhammer since the first game. the combination of the Total War games with the Warhammer Fantasy IP has just been pure magic IMO, and it's really cool to see it culminating with the Immortal Empires map

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    KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    I think my first IE campaign may finally be Grand Cathay.

    Man that trailer gave me chills.

    Laughed at the scurrying Skaven and "Daniel"

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    Disagree, but only because done right you can secure the Snake Gate on turn 2 if you summon a new legendary lord on turn 1, and you can't reach the little brother until Turn 3 or 4 due to distance.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    also do u ever think that dark elves kind of get frustrated that theyre trying to be edgy but then they are just less chaosy chaos like

    yea yea ur evil slags but ur not literally demons so u surely understand everybody knows its just a phase

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    also does anybody else ever adopt some skaven

    u just give them money, keep their provinces free of badmans (close their rifts, keep agents around to get rid of enemy spies) and give them settlements and do their contracts

    and when u talk to them u always compliment the tail size

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    also does anybody else ever adopt some skaven

    u just give them money, keep their provinces free of badmans (close their rifts, keep agents around to get rid of enemy spies) and give them settlements and do their contracts

    and when u talk to them u always compliment the tail size

    I kill them ASAP because they keep shitting on my lawn.

    That's my right dammit.

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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    also does anybody else ever adopt some skaven

    u just give them money, keep their provinces free of badmans (close their rifts, keep agents around to get rid of enemy spies) and give them settlements and do their contracts

    and when u talk to them u always compliment the tail size
    Actually yes, because every army is improved by plagueclaw catapults

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    KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    What if I want to confederate my bro so I can have two dragons?

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    LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    What if I want to confederate my bro so I can have two dragons?

    Double Dragons? In this economy?

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    What if I want to confederate my bro so I can have two dragons?

    I'm not sure it was possible the last time I played Cathay. There was such a massive hidden penalty to confederate him that it was near impossible.

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    danxdanx Registered User regular
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    I'm hyped.

    The map looks gorgeous. I'm still worried about map performance with all those particle effects, especially around Kislev and the empire but damn. Cathay was stunning. That canal! :joy: Ulthuan, Lustria, the Southlands are all just beautiful.

    The empire is still the empire I guess. Never been a big fan of them anyway. It looked alright.

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    KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    Karoz wrote: »
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    What if I want to confederate my bro so I can have two dragons?

    I'm not sure it was possible the last time I played Cathay. There was such a massive hidden penalty to confederate him that it was near impossible.

    :disappointed:

    https://youtu.be/vAUOPHqx5Gs

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    It IS possible, but tough. I saw a method that I replicated, which was: get him to or keep him at one province, borrow an army of his and get it fucking wrecked and then threaten him into confederation. It doesn't work every time, but in the same situation he turned down over a million gold, so it may be the only real way.

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    KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Yeah I forgot what exactly happened for me to finally confederate the last of the major Kislev cities (the port, forgot the name) but that minor faction went from a huge super power in the region to having just a handful of settlements and so suddenly became laughably easy to confederate.

    I can see making that work but will have to do it...sneakily...also keeping them from being wiped out so I don't lose lil bro to the void.

    Edit: Just remembered the supporter push giving you a huge addition to Kislev factions so that probably played a role as well.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    finally i have found an alternative to exercise

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Karoz wrote: »
    if ur first action as grand cathay is not immediately obliterating ur brother and ignoring his increasingly desperate pleas for mercy then ur not doing it right

    What if I want to confederate my bro so I can have two dragons?

    As always: theres a mod for that! Theres one that makes it so that as soon as you hit 150 reputation you can get people to just throw in with you as long as their organization is able to confederate with you (IE Miao and Zhao or any of the various cathay factions) and needless to say it makes life *so much better*

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    SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    A duck! wrote: »
    It IS possible, but tough. I saw a method that I replicated, which was: get him to or keep him at one province, borrow an army of his and get it fucking wrecked and then threaten him into confederation. It doesn't work every time, but in the same situation he turned down over a million gold, so it may be the only real way.
    You don't have to get him down to 1 region but close enough. Making sure that his main army just get wiped and borrowing another (don't need to get it wrecked) and you should be in threaten range at that point, presuming you have the rest of Cathay.

    CA is aware this penalty of his was overtuned, so theoretically it should get adjusted in the next patch, if not the one after.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    I wonder will there be new achievements for the IM campaign?

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    -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    That silent pan around Nagash's Black Pyramid feels like a very deliberate thing.

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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    That silent pan around Nagash's Black Pyramid feels like a very deliberate thing.

    GIVE ME SKELEPOPE!

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    when khalida captures a settlement she says "my queendom expands"

    we love a toxic girlboss

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    when khalida captures a settlement she says "my queendom expands"

    we love a toxic girlboss
    Khalida has always had a ridiculously shitty start; in the vortttex map she's sandwhiched between teheno who starts the game fucking jacked and teclis who has everything he needs to body you while impassable mountains and a bunch of asshole pirates are to your south.

    Meanwhile in the ME map she starts in a minor settlement (just... why?) squaring off against vampires and then has Kroq-gar coming for her along with sometimes malus and/or queek.

    So by all means yuck it up when things are working for you Khalida.

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