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Death of the Artist [AI-Generated "Art"]

Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
edited July 2023 in Social Entropy++


Let's talk about AI image generation, the rapidly advancing technology that will soon render human artistic expression a thing of the past.

What Is AI Image Generation?
Have you ever wanted to create some kind of image but lacked the skill to make your vision a reality or the funds to commission a piece from a skilled artist? Well, with AI image generation systems such as DALL-E 2 and Midjourney you can enter a simple prompt describing what you want and the AI will scour and analyze existing images to cobble together multiple iterations of what it has interpreted your prompt to mean. From that point all you have to do is search through the iterations provided to find one that is closest to what you want (while braving the likely event that some of these interations might dive into the uncanny valley or look almost right save for a random eyeball where one shouldn't be or disembodied hands reaching out of nowhere).

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Now, it is true that real artists do not develop in a vacuum, and in the above graphic the AI-generated piece doesn't look too dissimilar from what a student artist studying from the Old Masters might create. While accomplished artists develop iconic styles that makes their work recognizable, during their development artists look at both the world and the work of other artists to copy what they like, discard what they don't, and end up with a whole that is unique in aggregate but can reveal their inspirations on closer examination. AI can similarly be trained on the works of established artists, and while their output is dispassionate and not the product of a human mind that has been influenced by things they like, the end result isn't that different in terms of how the work of previous artists influenced the piece (although an AI that generates art is far more likely to use that influence to inadvertently create content that a human being would find disturbing).



Of course, individual human artists are not the same thing as a program owned by a company for the express purpose of creating art for commercial products. That makes the answers to legal and ethical questions more unclear. Whereas the human brain is still largely a mystery, if someone wanted to they could probably compile the sources that an AI art generator referenced. Even if they did, though, this would only be used to protect art owned by large corporations and not artwork created by unaffiliated human artists (who have monetary needs that AI image generators don't).

By the way, if you’re wondering whether or not people are trying to sell the AI-generated art that they “made” as NFTs, the answer is (of course, yes).



Children's Media Getting too Woke? Get an AI to Make Bigoted Propaganda for the Kids
Another concerning issue with AI-generated art is how it could be used by individuals to quickly and easily create media that reinforces dangerous messages. For example, a parent could use AI tools to create a customized story book with both text and images for their child using whatever prompts they enter. If a parent has certain beliefs that they want to impress upon their child but cannot find published material that supports those messages it is now relatively simple to have AI do it for them.

I'll demonstrate right now, in fact. Here's the initial prompt I entered into the first AI text generator I found after a Google search:
Two young white children were approached by a black stranger.

And here's what the AI came up with:
The boy yelled and the other child took off running. Police say the suspect told them he wanted to get their attention. Police say the children had the right to not respond and stay put. The black stranger got mad. The man swung at the children. One of the children was stabbed in the side. He was taken to an area hospital where he is now in critical condition. Police arrested Steven McCarty.

I'm not certain who Steven McCarty is, but it's not great that the AI decided to follow my prompt with police getting involved and a child getting stabbed. While it is true that AI developers are aware of the possibility of their creations producing biased content and that some work is being done to try and counteract that, there are still bad actors who want to create biased content and will attempt to sabotage those efforts.

My personal feeling is that the easier it becomes for individuals to create and publish content online the more dangerous the potential impacts on society. We're already seeing what kind of chaos has been enabled by everyone having a smartphone, Internet access, and social media platforms that allow one to easily share whatever thoughts they have. What happens when being able to generate visual art, literature, and even realistic-looking video (such as what deepfake technology produces) in minutes becomes something that anyone can do? Social media bubbles could hypothetically expand to include entire media ecosystems. The kind of people that are currently angry at how “woke” some children’s cartoons are now could hypothetically in the future just use AI to relatively easily create alternatives that teach their children “race realist” and “gender critical” messages.

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Credit to @charliepgavin on Twitter



Artists already don’t have a great lot in life and are frequently underpaid by companies eager to exploit their creative passion. Unfortunately, the rise of AI-generated art means that a lot of jobs related to the arts are in jeopardy. Why wouldn’t a company that already has been trying to get away with paying artists as little as possible just cut out jobs as illustrators, concept artists, etcetera that they can automate? Even if an AI puts out dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of iterations that create unappealing (or even unsettling and nightmarish) images, it can still create content far faster than a human artist can. All someone needs is to put in a prompt, sift through the images produced, and find one that is most pleasing to actual humans.

The author of the Atlantic piece mentioned earlier tried to defend himself by saying that his article was not considered for an illustration and would not have received one otherwise. Still, after looking into the backlash, he promised to not use AI-generated art in the future even for articles that wouldn’t get illustrations. He cited both fear of setting a precedent of replacing human artists in publications and a concern that the body of work that an AI draws upon to produce images could be utilizing the output of both big-time and lesser known human artists, profiting upon their work indirectly while the actual people get no credit or financial reward.

Despite his resolution I imagine this will likely be the trend going forward, especially as AI art generators improve and are able to create more aesthetically pleasing results. We’re not far away from this point by any means; just look at these sets of images generated in DALL-E 2 from simple prompts (the prompt for the last one is darkly humorous IMO):















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At one art show in 2019 a series of prints created by an AI “partner” called AICAN sold for thousands (the word “partner” was specifically used, as the people behind AICAN insisted it was more than a tool). The AI was trained by analyzing a set of 3,000 Renaissance portraits by different artists. Further, the people behind AICAN bragged that in other tests the AI was able to determine the chronological order of pieces from different art periods and could hypothetically predict future trends in art. Client businesses could therefore pay for the privilege of using AICAN to essentially predict the future for them. When a representative was asked if this couldn’t lead to AICAN endlessly creating art, analyzing how humans reacted to the art it produced, and then using the feedback to create more art in a never-ending cycle, effectively cutting human artists out of the creative process entirely, the representative admitted that they hadn’t considered the possibility.

In the process of writing this post and looking for examples of AI-generated art people have posted to Twitter I found myself becoming suspicious of other pieces of art I saw. I follow a good number of artists on Twitter and sometimes see posts from others I do not follow. Just now as I was looking at my feed I saw a few pieces that a poster said they had made, ones that I couldn’t help but think looked “off” in some way. Was this person just not that great at digital art, or was this an example of AI-generated content that the individual was trying to pass off as something they had personally created (beyond just typing in a prompt). The thought even crossed my mind that perhaps the poster was themselves actually a bot, leading me to imagine a Black Mirror-esque scenario where rogue AI art generators endlessly create content and post them to social media as bots unceasingly like the creations, leading to an endless cycle of art created and analyzed by soulless algorithms lacking any human sensibility or passion.

I doubt things will get quite that bad, but there's definitely a very real possibility that fewer people will bother to pursue artistic careers or even learn how to draw, paint, etc. What's the point of spending so much time and effort learning how to competently produce artwork when an AI can create thousands of iterations on an idea in the time it takes a human artist to create one? What business would bother to hire artists to create visuals when machines can automate the entire process more efficiently and without pay? If there's no money in pursuing art and typing a prompt into a computer can create more and better content than what a nascent artist can ever hope to, why should they waste their time?

Conclusion
With all this in mind, how should society react to it and what is most likely to happen? Will arguments over possible IP infringement stifle the growth of this sort of technology, or will it progress exponentially? Do professional artists have a future, and will there even be a reason to pursue art as a hobby? What other kinds of unforeseen implications could emerge?

I personally find myself unnerved by this situation and dread a kind of future where all media is unceasingly produced exclusively by AI for passive consumption by humans. Perhaps the next step will be to completely automate filmmaking, replacing live action with CG indistinguishable from reality and actors with deepfakes.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    it sucks shit

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    One of those things where I haven’t decided the proper level of anxiety for it yet. But that level definitely isn’t at zero.

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Ultimately no good on account of the capitalism.

    Maybe kind of funny when Disney sees people making Mickey Mouse art and then sues an AI art corp, demanding they censor output that would infringe on their IP and remove all AI training done with their existing IP.

    Or maybe they'd just buy it.

    And then have to remove all the Batmans that exist in the AI brain.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
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    asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Ultimately no good on account of the capitalism.

    Maybe kind of funny when Disney sees people making Mickey Mouse art and then sues an AI art corp, demanding they censor output that would infringe on their IP and remove all AI training done with their existing IP.

    Or maybe they'd just buy it.

    And then have to remove all the Batmans that exist in the AI brain.

    Disney will probably try to have it both ways, both suing for control over their art and IP (keeping it away from tech-bros, at least, don't think they could do anything if an AI art-maker was simply used to make fanart with no profit motive), and also, I bet Disney salivates at the thought of no longer needing to keep artists on the payroll and effectively being able to use the artists' art even after they're gone

    i believe Disney already owns everything their artists produce (even the porn, which goes into a Disney porn vault if internet rumors are to be believed)

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    SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    I think it would be cool if artists could create whatever kind of art they were interested in without concerns about if a machine is more efficient than them. If only there was some way to harness the efficiency of technology to increase the standard of living of everyone, with some kind of "all-encompassing standard revenue" that would allow people to live comfortably while making the kind of art they're interested in, while companies could use ai for the drudgery most artists wouldn't be interested in.

    Unfortunately such a thing is sadly impossible, we just don't have the ability to do something like that.

    My friend is working on a roguelike game you can play if you want to. (It has free demo)
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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    It's probably time us artists all died.

    Lotta good for nothings all drawing useless stuff I say. To the wall with the lot of us.

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    One thing I'm afraid of is AI one day being used to replace artists for things like comics and cartoons. If Disney could get away with it they'd probably automate creation of their animated features.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I think comics are a little safer than illustration in the short term. Character and setting consistency and shot composition are still a struggle for AI. Of course give it some time and that might not be true.

    That said, comics are already one of the lower paying ends of illustration based work. Lot of comic folks supplement their income with the kind of less sexy jobs that AI Art is a more immediate threat to.

    I also think private commissions and stuff are largely safe? At least I certainly hope as that's a big one for me. But I always have believed folks getting commissions, especially portraits and stuff, are buying the idea of being an artist's subject as much as the finished product. Which AI can only recreate the product. Also given how often they are gifts for someone else, I can see a scenario where the AI equivalent gift is seen as low effort in comparison.

    I hope anyways. It's pretty grim most ways you cut it.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
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    DeansDeans Registered User regular
    Oh no, it already understands sarcasm!

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    There's already AI written news articles online. Taking press releases and turning them into articles. I don't feel bad about that one, most journalists don't even do the second step.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Sometimes when I'm searching for info about something I'll come across a page that has a kind of uncanny valley feeling to how it's written. Like it feels like a bot wrote it. I usually assume it was written by someone who isn't a native English speaker but if there are genuinely articles getting written by AI that would make a lot more sense, because I don't usually get such a surreal feeling reading translated/non-fluent writing.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Sometimes when I'm searching for info about something I'll come across a page that has a kind of uncanny valley feeling to how it's written. Like it feels like a bot wrote it. I usually assume it was written by someone who isn't a native English speaker but if there are genuinely articles getting written by AI that would make a lot more sense, because I don't usually get such a surreal feeling reading translated/non-fluent writing.

    sometimes you'll get something that 's machine translated that has the same effect, it ends up having a strange effect where you can't telll what the intent of the article was

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    I hate the term artificial intelligence. It's not intelligence by any sense of the word just a sufficiently large database with an algorithm that mashed together the data according to the expectations of the programmer. Tech Bros just hype this shit to sell it to suckers.

    I also hate the term tech Bros because that implies a level of expertise that these idiots don't have. They're just salesmen or "entrepreneurs" who are just looking for a whale to sell their racist garbage to

    I mean what was the Atlantic thinking? Did they think no one ever looks at or cares about the art in their magazine so they might as well fill it with poop emojis??

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Bots/AI have been writing routine articles for a long while now, a lot of stuff like routine sports write ups.

    I played around with an AI Art generator called Midjourney last night, it made a lot of cool dreamscapes and art that I may use for some upcoming DnD characters.

    Overall I think the tech is neat but capitalism will deploy it in the worst way possible, naturally.

    Edit: Yeah, weak AI vs strong AI vs ML, etc. now that crypto means crypto currency and not cryptography I have given up on tech semantics.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Brolo wrote: »
    "When I'm searching for information about something, I come across a page with a strange image. This information was written by a robot. I usually think it's written by non-English speakers, but I usually don't like reading translated/non-English articles, so it makes more sense if it written by AI. The original article is Gia. and exile


    Sometimes the results of the machine translation are so strange that I don't understand the meaning of the article.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Of course, running magic cards repeatedly through machine translation is the premise of one of my favorite Twitter accounts:

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited August 2022
    People are easily fooled by tech these days though. I was dabbling in robotics a year ago and developed a script that made my robot follow a blue ball. When I showed it to people they were amazed and asked if it was AI and I was shocked because it's really simple programming. Like any middle schooler who took a weekend Python course for a semester could have programmed it themselves.

    I suppose I was just too honest, I should have asked for 1B in venture capital.

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    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I think this "ai" thing is very over blown and poorly understood, even by "smart" in industry types, either through malice or ignorance

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    On the one hand, AI has been totally going to obsolete all labor for realsies since the 80s.

    On the other, more and more weak AI and ML stuff is developer and deployed everyday, which is chipping away at things steadily.

    Overall it’s any other tool that can be used for really cool stuff but because the world is what it is, it will mostly be used for crap stuff.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    I'm reminded of when the change to digital art cost old school comic inkers, colourists and letterers their jobs. There's plenty of examples from the 20th century of technological progress removing some or all of the human involvement in a process. Jobs that used to be done by several people are now done with one. This is just taking it further, down to not quite zero (there's still an editor/AI wrangler involved in choosing what is produced).

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Should we mourn the passing of Human Computers as a job? Be sad that there isn't someone at the end of the bowling alley resetting our pins by hand? Is telephone dead without the human touch of a switchboard operator? They're just jobs, we had them, now we don't. And we would never go back. Artists aren't special. It's just another job. Why shouldn't they be replaced too?
    The advent of recorded music decimated live music. There used to be local bands in even the tiniest village. But why listen to a local cover band when you have the real versions on a recirding? But, live music is still around. People still want music made by humans. Some people hire a band for their wedding, some people make a Spotify playlist. It'll be the same for artists.

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    hell yeah im just here to look at pretty pictures

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    beep boop i am an art ai, buy my prints

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Should we mourn the passing of Human Computers as a job? Be sad that there isn't someone at the end of the bowling alley resetting our pins by hand? Is telephone dead without the human touch of a switchboard operator? They're just jobs, we had them, now we don't. And we would never go back. Artists aren't special. It's just another job. Why shouldn't they be replaced too?
    The advent of recorded music decimated live music. There used to be local bands in even the tiniest village. But why listen to a local cover band when you have the real versions on a recirding? But, live music is still around. People still want music made by humans. Some people hire a band for their wedding, some people make a Spotify playlist. It'll be the same for artists.

    ew, gross.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Should we mourn the passing of Human Computers as a job? Be sad that there isn't someone at the end of the bowling alley resetting our pins by hand? Is telephone dead without the human touch of a switchboard operator? They're just jobs, we had them, now we don't. And we would never go back. Artists aren't special. It's just another job. Why shouldn't they be replaced too?
    The advent of recorded music decimated live music. There used to be local bands in even the tiniest village. But why listen to a local cover band when you have the real versions on a recirding? But, live music is still around. People still want music made by humans. Some people hire a band for their wedding, some people make a Spotify playlist. It'll be the same for artists.

    I think there is one key distinction missed by this worldview (not sure if it's yours or if it's a stand-in for the mindsets of the people who share it)

    Art is, specifically and literally, without material function. Art, as a concept, is not a means to complete a mechanical task, or to solve a physical problem. It is means of humans connecting to other humans. It is entirely about humanity, about the things we have for one another that we cannot get from anywhere else, because only humans know how to be humans and even then just barely

    A belief that "art is just another job" is a belief that fleshlights will eliminate sex. It so profoundly mistakes the physical for the ephemeral that it isn't even really worth engaging with as a viable worldview.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    AI will kind of work for some people who only want stuff that is literally what you've asked for, but its not going to have subtext and metaphor for something else. You can ask the AI to portray an oasis with a lone person in it, but its not going to have an instinct for adding happiness or sadness to that person to convey an emotion to that figure.

    Same with live music there's always interpretation of the work by the performer and sometimes they'll just do a medley of stuff or they'll fuck around and add extended solos to songs. It's why live music is better than recordings and doesn't fill the same niche.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Frank Herbert has already pretty clearly outlined the solution to tyrannical thinking machines: the Butlerian Jihad.

    The time to start preparing for it is now. Today.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

    And here’s the kicker: they still try to automate everything. Think of the order kiosks they’ve added, for example.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    never die wrote: »
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

    And here’s the kicker: they still try to automate everything. Think of the order kiosks they’ve added, for example.

    Yeah. And what's funny is, most everywhere I've seen them they're out of service and there's a human at the counter

    They break too easy, people don't like using them, they just really aren't viable. To REALLY rely on kiosks, they'd need to either have techs on standby (who are gonna be a lot more expensive than cashiers), or be willing to just shut down the restaurant when the kiosks go down and they're waiting for a tech to arrive (which would be a great way to hemorrhage customers).

    It's not a viable replacement, it's a stupid half-measure that fixes no problems and introduces other ones, it's all just... So stupid. So very, very stupid.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    "When I'm searching for information about something, I come across a page with a strange image. This information was written by a robot. I usually think it's written by non-English speakers, but I usually don't like reading translated/non-English articles, so it makes more sense if it written by AI. The original article is Gia. and exile


    Sometimes the results of the machine translation are so strange that I don't understand the meaning of the article.

    Thanks, I hate it

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

    And here’s the kicker: they still try to automate everything. Think of the order kiosks they’ve added, for example.

    Yeah. And what's funny is, most everywhere I've seen them they're out of service and there's a human at the counter

    They break too easy, people don't like using them, they just really are viable. To REALLY rely on kiosks, they'd need to either have techs on standby (who are gonna be a lot more expensive than cashiers), or be willing to just shut down the restaurant when the kiosks go down and they're waiting for a tech to arrive (which would be a great way to hemorrhage customers).

    It's not a viable replacement, it's a stupid half-measure that fixes no problems and introduces other ones, it's all just... So stupid. So very, very stupid.

    I was at Shake Shack recently and they had five kiosks and only two of them were working.

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    never die wrote: »
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

    And here’s the kicker: they still try to automate everything. Think of the order kiosks they’ve added, for example.

    Yeah. And what's funny is, most everywhere I've seen them they're out of service and there's a human at the counter

    They break too easy, people don't like using them, they just really aren't viable. To REALLY rely on kiosks, they'd need to either have techs on standby (who are gonna be a lot more expensive than cashiers), or be willing to just shut down the restaurant when the kiosks go down and they're waiting for a tech to arrive (which would be a great way to hemorrhage customers).

    It's not a viable replacement, it's a stupid half-measure that fixes no problems and introduces other ones, it's all just... So stupid. So very, very stupid.

    And implementing them probably costs more than just hiring another person, or raising wages.

    Which they’ve already had to do to attract more workers. Some of the McDonald’s near me were offering $14 an hour for part timers (in Indianapolis).

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    The smarter corporations make "AI" appear, the more easily they can push narratives that devalue human labor, and the more cover they have to suppress wages.

    See also: The decades-long threat that if wages go up, McDonalds will just automate everything. Which they haven't, and won't, because they can't. But they can lobby against increasing minimum wage!

    Yaaaaaaaaaay

    The fucked up thing about this is that increased automation should be a good thing

    It should be a cause for joy that we can achieve the same amount of productivity for a smaller amount of labor.

    Imagine an ancient farmer being afraid that someone's gonna figure out how to attach a plow to an ox and "automate" him out of a job. It's ridiculous!

    Automation ought to make everyone's lives better, but because of the wonderful economic system we all live under, it makes people's lives worse

    The same goes for art, and that's before you get into issues like how these AIs are basically just a form of laundering plagiarism, or energy concerns, or anything else

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Frank Herbert has already pretty clearly outlined the solution to tyrannical thinking machines: the Butlerian Jihad.

    The time to start preparing for it is now. Today.

    I love me some Dune but hooooboy am I hesitant to look to it for actionable ideas.

    Also, it’s me, the monster that loves self checkout and ordering kiosks.

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    KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    ai making art isn't doing artists a favor by freeing them from work tho

    artists do art because they like to do art and if they can wring a living out of it then fuck yeah

    no one is working at wendys or paving a highway or servicing mud motors or digging latrines to scratch a creative itch

    ai art only serves people who don't want to pay artists

    artists who wish someone would come and free them from their miserable job aren't really a thing

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    ai making art isn't doing artists a favor by freeing them from work tho

    artists do art because they like to do art and if they can wring a living out of it then fuck yeah

    no one is working at wendys or paving a highway or servicing mud motors or digging latrines to scratch a creative itch

    ai art only serves people who don't want to pay artists

    artists who wish someone would come and free them from their miserable job aren't really a thing

    Look I've had some days

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited August 2022
    Knob wrote: »
    ai making art isn't doing artists a favor by freeing them from work tho

    artists do art because they like to do art and if they can wring a living out of it then fuck yeah

    no one is working at wendys or paving a highway or servicing mud motors or digging latrines to scratch a creative itch

    ai art only serves people who don't want to pay artists

    artists who wish someone would come and free them from their miserable job aren't really a thing

    I'd say there's definitely art that's not made for the purpose of expression or for the joy of making art

    There's stuff like corporate art or illustrations for news articles or that kind of thing

    Or hell, artists that take commissions for niche kink porn that they're not personally into because people are willing to pay a premium for it

    I've seen artists talk about how a lot of them will take jobs like that to support themselves so they can work on the art they actually care about and one of the ways in which AI art sucks is that it potentially closes off those sources of income

    Speed Racer on
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