FREEEDOM!
I got locked out of being able to put labels on stuff so all I could go is stock and zone it
They put me with the person who you need to hit with a stick to make him work so asking him to do the labels was impossible as he has to turn off his mp3s which he gets annoyed at
But still Eat it work you earned this enjoy the problems you created and drive me crazy
They probably figure by pairing their best worker and worst worker they will get an average of two persons work done.
It's so fucking dangerous to procrastinate something irresponsibly, and then somehow pull it off in a last-minute crush, and then have people praise a level of work/dedication that simply DID not occur. I know for a fact that this is no way to live or conduct business
And YET, my god, is there any relief more satisfying? This is what I imagine heroin feels like.
Last week was the second week of school and I spent half of it trying to convince my seniors to not procrastinate on their essay project (which was due Monday at noon).
We utilized outlines and schedule breakdowns and benchmarks.
And come Monday 75% of my seniors told me that wrote their paper Sunday evening.
The class collectively cheered while telling me this.
The "fuck them kids" option is to do this again, then add a 2nd surprise paper (or quiz) on Friday that's due Monday. Alternatively, have a test and paper due the same day that forces the issue.
That sure is a way to demolish any current/future rapport built with students.
Thus the qualifier.
The teachers I knew who were able to pull this off either allowed a redo or did the test as a group quiz so it was a less punishing lesson, as the point was to have the feeling of "crap" if you didn't plan ahead so more students at least got an inkling of why good time management is important.
Personally, a huge part of why I stopped fucking with homework entirely was because of mind-game shit like you've described. It was hard for me to connect the consequences to my decisions/actions since the problem factor actually seemed to be the arbitrary (and unjustifiable) requirements from authority figures.
So what it actually seemed to be teaching, to me, was, "If an authority figure tells you something is good for you, or is The Way Things Are Done, you just need to follow orders. Even if there is absolutely no value to you in the task, even if the ostensible goals of the task do not line up with the methods/actions you are told to employ, you need not question, you need not find your own path, you need to submit and obey." It seemed to me a way to build authoritarians, not a way to teach people how to move through the world, and I fervently rejected it.
FREEEDOM!
I got locked out of being able to put labels on stuff so all I could go is stock and zone it
They put me with the person who you need to hit with a stick to make him work so asking him to do the labels was impossible as he has to turn off his mp3s which he gets annoyed at
But still Eat it work you earned this enjoy the problems you created and drive me crazy
They probably figure by pairing their best worker and worst worker they will get an average of two persons work done.
Yes but they could pair BL with, like, a room temperature sandwich and still reliably get 2 people's worth of work done, so
Yeah, fuck homework, it serves no useful purpose 90% of the time
Some folks' brains need the gradual accretion and persistent reinforcement of homework, it helps a lot of folks with retention, I ain't slagging the general concept of it.
But I didn't need it, and the arbitrary enforcement of "You MUST do this thing, even though it serves no material benefit to you" was what rankled.
Poorochondriac on
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Yeah, fuck homework, it serves no useful purpose 90% of the time
Some folks' brains need the gradual accretion and persistent reinforcement of homework, it helps a lot of folks with retention, I ain't slagging the general concept of it.
But I didn't need it, and the arbitrary enforcement of "You MUST do this thing, even though it serves no material benefit to you" was what rankled.
I used to get in so much trouble for not showing my work in math.
Tutoring young kids has at least let me see how neurotypical brains process that information.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Just signed a picture matt for the departing GM with "Thank you for promising to post bail for me, I promise never to tell everyone you're secretly John Daly."
Hopefuly he finds that humorous. Guy looks JUST LIKE John Daly.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I never showed my work in math because I simply never had a clue what the fuck I was doing.
Take that, Education System.
I think I've told the story a couple of times how I got into a big fight with my 6th grade math teacher about why I thought showing my work for arithmetic was asinine.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I got in trouble in Advanced Math for not showing my work on any Quadratic Formula problems. I told her I did em in my head and she didn't believe me, so I had her give me a problem, did it in my head, then she did it on the board
Yeah, fuck homework, it serves no useful purpose 90% of the time
Some folks' brains need the gradual accretion and persistent reinforcement of homework, it helps a lot of folks with retention, I ain't slagging the general concept of it.
But I didn't need it, and the arbitrary enforcement of "You MUST do this thing, even though it serves no material benefit to you" was what rankled.
I used to get in so much trouble for not showing my work in math.
Tutoring young kids has at least let me see how neurotypical brains process that information.
Oh yeah. I didn't really show my work a lot until college on math... eventually it got more complicated than I could handle in my head once things got to calculus and all the fun ways you can have things balloon out there. The shift to tests being more like 3-4 problems with significant partial credit also helped.
I used to be one of those "Why does it matter if I show my work in math" people, but then in college I started to get into the various Calc course and realized just how important it was when the math gets complicated.
Not just for the instructor to be able to see my logic, but the amount of times I made one small mistake and was able to go back through my work to find where the error was and fix it saved my ass so much.
For math, I used to copy the answers from the back of the book instead of doing it properly. Occasionally, one of the answers in there would be wrong, whether to catch some kid out or just because of a mistake, I don't know.
We'd hand our pages over to the person behind us or beside us and we all went over the questions and do the marking.
If we got to a wrong back of the book answer the teacher would say, "Oh, by the way, the answer in the back of the book is wrong here. Does anyone's page have that answer? Raise your hand."
And let me tell you, there was no better way to tell if someone was a true comrade or not than if they'd gleefully rat you out for something like that.
In I believe the 7th Grade we were given a big project wherein we were to research our family history and do a report.
My mother's side is well documented and has several archivists in the family who enjoy keeping Ancestry.com up to date as they discover entirely new branches because turns out this person in the background of ian aged photo was actually the half sibling everyone at the time thought had died as a child, because that's what they'd been told, and instead of being dead had proceeded to build their own dynasty of Clan Davidson.
My father's side thought they were German but had no records of any kind to validate this. No old photos or documents, no oral history, nothing but the implication that one of them might have maybe fought in the Civil War. Not the most substantial information to build half a report on.
The teacher was notified of this lack of information by both parents and when the report was submitted it was graded and returned with an F Why?
"I know you couldn't get any information on your dad's side of the family. But it doesn't change that you didn't follow the assignment. You were supposed to address these specific pieces of information from both sides of the family, as such this report is incomplete and will not be given a passing grade." Paraphrased.
Funny how I still remember Ms. Shiplett because of that. Almost like teachers have immense influence in the development of children they teach both good and bad, so efforts should be taken to try and ensure the good ones are shown they are valued.
Oh and this wasn't a case of her not liking me either, because not only did I end that class with a B+ (would have been A+ since report was 10% total) because I smashed every test put in front of me (since test = contest and contest = challenge and challenge = engagement and interest) but also, when my brother took her class three years later he got the same assignment. And the same grade on that assignment for the same reasons.
I don't even think badly of her because of that consistency though. She was good at teaching just unbending on rules regardless of her personal feelings. Because someone who actively disliked me would not have called on my smartass self so many times asking a question (90% of the time) or quipping (10%).
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Got my new job description and was asked for an answer by Monday and based on the conversation we had, now I'm like 60% certain that the plan was to fire me when they decided to move the supply part and someone went "wait, he's the only one who knows how all our systems work, should we maybe not...?".
I'm normally quite mild-mannered but god, I would have blown my stack.
"Unable to complete assignment, no data available."
"Unacceptable answer, automatic fail." fuck you
Were you supposed to just fabricate false information where none actually exists, or what?
Failure to anticipate and allow for an IMO extremely probable exception is just...
smh
I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.
Wow, an acquaintance of mine, who works in another department in the supply chain was recently promoted to location manager. They have been in the department for like 13 years, worked their way up for the bottom, guided several programs which are now pivotal crucial aspects of the supply chain.
Not even a year in, they're bailing out and going to a different department and probably taking a decent pay cut.
This should be a wake up call to the department heads, but I doubt it
For math, I used to copy the answers from the back of the book instead of doing it properly. Occasionally, one of the answers in there would be wrong, whether to catch some kid out or just because of a mistake, I don't know.
We'd hand our pages over to the person behind us or beside us and we all went over the questions and do the marking.
If we got to a wrong back of the book answer the teacher would say, "Oh, by the way, the answer in the back of the book is wrong here. Does anyone's page have that answer? Raise your hand."
And let me tell you, there was no better way to tell if someone was a true comrade or not than if they'd gleefully rat you out for something like that.
Got my new job description and was asked for an answer by Monday and based on the conversation we had, now I'm like 60% certain that the plan was to fire me when they decided to move the supply part and someone went "wait, he's the only one who knows how all our systems work, should we maybe not...?".
"T, David has now been made redundant and can safely be oh wait shit"
We should teach kids to show their work because once they’re adults when they don’t document their work it is a nightmare for everyone around them and creates extra work.
I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.
They tried, but it was a private school and they didn't want to rock the boat overly much at the time and risk my enrollment. Mainly because they'd enrolled my brother and I in private school so that I would not go to the local public highschool. Not because of the quality of education or lack of, I was in public school every grade prior, but because they had good reason to believe I wouldn't have lived to graduate it.
Also most people are not Will Hunting and will, in fact, eventually fuck up when doing a chain of calculations entirely in their head, and if you don't write it down you won't know where. Just document your process FFS.
I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.
They tried, but it was a private school and they didn't want to rock the boat overly much at the time and risk my enrollment. Mainly because they'd enrolled my brother and I in private school so that I would not go to the local public highschool. Not because of the quality of education or lack of, I was in public school every grade prior, but because they had good reason to believe I wouldn't have lived to graduate it.
In your specific situation, they might have had their hands tied (which sucks), but more generally, it seems feasible the teacher could have provided an alternate assignment (part of the assignment) that would grant them the amount of effort they expected, without, ya know, being literally impossible to do. Whether the teacher would agree to do that on their own or be forced to by admin, either way.
I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.
My sister's English teacher made her cry one day and during the next parent teacher conference my dad made it clear to her in no uncertain terms she would not have an opportunity to do that to me.
First day of Junior AP English, who's my teacher? Yup. Roll gets called and since I'm a Jr she absolutely recognized the name, and just sort of looked at me.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I understand now why showing work is important. I'm not sure if I could have been convinced when I was younger, but nobody ever tried.
The only justification for showing work ever given was "because I said so" and like
Yes, teachers, that will definitely make a teenager cooperate. Well done.
The thing is, when I got to calculus I realized the importance of “showing work.” Because nobody gives a shit if you stumble on the right answer, they care HOW you got it.
It’s arithmetic that gets my goat. You don’t need to show that! Nobody does! If it helps them, let ‘‘em show it. If they can do the work without it, be happy! Don’t make a kid do an 5 digit (each) multiplication problem on the chalkboard IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE CLASS WHILE YOU KEEP TEACHING to prove that he can!
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.
My sister's English teacher made her cry one day and during the next parent teacher conference my dad made it clear to her in no uncertain terms she would not have an opportunity to do that to me.
First day of Junior AP English, who's my teacher? Yup. Roll gets called and since I'm a Jr she absolutely recognized the name, and just sort of looked at me.
"So, should I just go to the office now, or?"
That was my last day in her class
Yeah that’s basically how I dodged a bullet with my AP English teacher senior year. Ol’ miss “your interpretation of the poem is incorrect”
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I understand now why showing work is important. I'm not sure if I could have been convinced when I was younger, but nobody ever tried.
The only justification for showing work ever given was "because I said so" and like
Yes, teachers, that will definitely make a teenager cooperate. Well done.
The thing is, when I got to calculus I realized the importance of “showing work.” Because nobody gives a shit if you stumble on the right answer, they care HOW you got it.
It’s arithmetic that gets my goat. You don’t need to show that! Nobody does! If it helps them, let ‘‘em show it. If they can do the work without it, be happy! Don’t make a kid do an 5 digit (each) multiplication problem on the chalkboard IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE CLASS WHILE YOU KEEP TEACHING to prove that he can!
They're teaching the concept and procedure of showing work so that it won't be a shock later when they've never done it before. And yes, some people would be helped to understand that kind of math by writing down the steps, I strongly disagree with your premise.
Have me prove I know how to do arithmetic the normal way, then afterwards let me use a calculator because in reality I will never not use a calculator app on my phone or computer
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Dude, no she wasn’t. Don’t try to mansplain my own experiences. Her reasoning was that it was impossible to do the questions without showing your work.
Which is why she fucking challenged me to do it in front of the whole class. “If I can do that without showing my work, I won’t have to anymore?”
“Yes.”
And then I labored on that problem for the rest of class. And at the end, I quietly sat down, she pulled out a calculator, punched the numbers in, and meekly said “you don’t need to show your work anymore “
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Have me prove I know how to do arithmetic the normal way, then afterwards let me use a calculator because in reality I will never not use a calculator app on my phone or computer
Petty complaint: they have added fucking ads to the fucking calculator app
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Have me prove I know how to do arithmetic the normal way, then afterwards let me use a calculator because in reality I will never not use a calculator app on my phone or computer
I use MS Excel or Open Office because then you can show you work. It's harder to troubleshoot your work when you get a wrong answer because you fat finger something when using a calculator.
I've never seen ads on my phone calculator. Or anything besides the calculator and maybe an option to change what type
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
You know, just the other day at work thanks to a coworker "showing his work" with some simple arithmetic, i was able to sort an issue of a magic ~100 cubic meters of heavy water that had apparently materialized out of nowhere.
Normally its very expensive to produce such a volume, and also expensive to get rid of that volume when you dont need it (especially after we'veused it), so i also saved the company untold millions.
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They probably figure by pairing their best worker and worst worker they will get an average of two persons work done.
Personally, a huge part of why I stopped fucking with homework entirely was because of mind-game shit like you've described. It was hard for me to connect the consequences to my decisions/actions since the problem factor actually seemed to be the arbitrary (and unjustifiable) requirements from authority figures.
So what it actually seemed to be teaching, to me, was, "If an authority figure tells you something is good for you, or is The Way Things Are Done, you just need to follow orders. Even if there is absolutely no value to you in the task, even if the ostensible goals of the task do not line up with the methods/actions you are told to employ, you need not question, you need not find your own path, you need to submit and obey." It seemed to me a way to build authoritarians, not a way to teach people how to move through the world, and I fervently rejected it.
Yes but they could pair BL with, like, a room temperature sandwich and still reliably get 2 people's worth of work done, so
Some folks' brains need the gradual accretion and persistent reinforcement of homework, it helps a lot of folks with retention, I ain't slagging the general concept of it.
But I didn't need it, and the arbitrary enforcement of "You MUST do this thing, even though it serves no material benefit to you" was what rankled.
I used to get in so much trouble for not showing my work in math.
Tutoring young kids has at least let me see how neurotypical brains process that information.
Hopefuly he finds that humorous. Guy looks JUST LIKE John Daly.
Take that, Education System.
I think I've told the story a couple of times how I got into a big fight with my 6th grade math teacher about why I thought showing my work for arithmetic was asinine.
...and promptly gave me +5 pts extra credit
Oh yeah. I didn't really show my work a lot until college on math... eventually it got more complicated than I could handle in my head once things got to calculus and all the fun ways you can have things balloon out there. The shift to tests being more like 3-4 problems with significant partial credit also helped.
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Especially if you keep your resume to one page.
Just tell me what you've done and where you've done it in a clean, linear way.
Not just for the instructor to be able to see my logic, but the amount of times I made one small mistake and was able to go back through my work to find where the error was and fix it saved my ass so much.
We'd hand our pages over to the person behind us or beside us and we all went over the questions and do the marking.
If we got to a wrong back of the book answer the teacher would say, "Oh, by the way, the answer in the back of the book is wrong here. Does anyone's page have that answer? Raise your hand."
And let me tell you, there was no better way to tell if someone was a true comrade or not than if they'd gleefully rat you out for something like that.
My mother's side is well documented and has several archivists in the family who enjoy keeping Ancestry.com up to date as they discover entirely new branches because turns out this person in the background of ian aged photo was actually the half sibling everyone at the time thought had died as a child, because that's what they'd been told, and instead of being dead had proceeded to build their own dynasty of Clan Davidson.
My father's side thought they were German but had no records of any kind to validate this. No old photos or documents, no oral history, nothing but the implication that one of them might have maybe fought in the Civil War. Not the most substantial information to build half a report on.
The teacher was notified of this lack of information by both parents and when the report was submitted it was graded and returned with an F Why?
"I know you couldn't get any information on your dad's side of the family. But it doesn't change that you didn't follow the assignment. You were supposed to address these specific pieces of information from both sides of the family, as such this report is incomplete and will not be given a passing grade." Paraphrased.
Funny how I still remember Ms. Shiplett because of that. Almost like teachers have immense influence in the development of children they teach both good and bad, so efforts should be taken to try and ensure the good ones are shown they are valued.
Oh and this wasn't a case of her not liking me either, because not only did I end that class with a B+ (would have been A+ since report was 10% total) because I smashed every test put in front of me (since test = contest and contest = challenge and challenge = engagement and interest) but also, when my brother took her class three years later he got the same assignment. And the same grade on that assignment for the same reasons.
I don't even think badly of her because of that consistency though. She was good at teaching just unbending on rules regardless of her personal feelings. Because someone who actively disliked me would not have called on my smartass self so many times asking a question (90% of the time) or quipping (10%).
"Unable to complete assignment, no data available."
"Unacceptable answer, automatic fail."
fuck you
Were you supposed to just fabricate false information where none actually exists, or what?
Failure to anticipate and allow for an IMO extremely probable exception is just...
smh
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
Not even a year in, they're bailing out and going to a different department and probably taking a decent pay cut.
This should be a wake up call to the department heads, but I doubt it
(usually it's for this reason yeah)
"T, David has now been made redundant and can safely be oh wait shit"
Steam, Warframe: Megajoule
They tried, but it was a private school and they didn't want to rock the boat overly much at the time and risk my enrollment. Mainly because they'd enrolled my brother and I in private school so that I would not go to the local public highschool. Not because of the quality of education or lack of, I was in public school every grade prior, but because they had good reason to believe I wouldn't have lived to graduate it.
In your specific situation, they might have had their hands tied (which sucks), but more generally, it seems feasible the teacher could have provided an alternate assignment (part of the assignment) that would grant them the amount of effort they expected, without, ya know, being literally impossible to do. Whether the teacher would agree to do that on their own or be forced to by admin, either way.
The only justification for showing work ever given was "because I said so" and like
Yes, teachers, that will definitely make a teenager cooperate. Well done.
I may not have had the best group of educators.
My sister's English teacher made her cry one day and during the next parent teacher conference my dad made it clear to her in no uncertain terms she would not have an opportunity to do that to me.
First day of Junior AP English, who's my teacher? Yup. Roll gets called and since I'm a Jr she absolutely recognized the name, and just sort of looked at me.
"So, should I just go to the office now, or?"
That was my last day in her class
The thing is, when I got to calculus I realized the importance of “showing work.” Because nobody gives a shit if you stumble on the right answer, they care HOW you got it.
It’s arithmetic that gets my goat. You don’t need to show that! Nobody does! If it helps them, let ‘‘em show it. If they can do the work without it, be happy! Don’t make a kid do an 5 digit (each) multiplication problem on the chalkboard IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE CLASS WHILE YOU KEEP TEACHING to prove that he can!
Yeah that’s basically how I dodged a bullet with my AP English teacher senior year. Ol’ miss “your interpretation of the poem is incorrect”
They're teaching the concept and procedure of showing work so that it won't be a shock later when they've never done it before. And yes, some people would be helped to understand that kind of math by writing down the steps, I strongly disagree with your premise.
Which is why she fucking challenged me to do it in front of the whole class. “If I can do that without showing my work, I won’t have to anymore?”
“Yes.”
And then I labored on that problem for the rest of class. And at the end, I quietly sat down, she pulled out a calculator, punched the numbers in, and meekly said “you don’t need to show your work anymore “
Petty complaint: they have added fucking ads to the fucking calculator app
I use MS Excel or Open Office because then you can show you work. It's harder to troubleshoot your work when you get a wrong answer because you fat finger something when using a calculator.
Oh it must only be on the ipad then
Normally its very expensive to produce such a volume, and also expensive to get rid of that volume when you dont need it (especially after we'veused it), so i also saved the company untold millions.