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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Heffling wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Have me prove I know how to do arithmetic the normal way, then afterwards let me use a calculator because in reality I will never not use a calculator app on my phone or computer

    I use MS Excel or Open Office because then you can show you work. It's harder to troubleshoot your work when you get a wrong answer because you fat finger something when using a calculator.

    My calculator shows prior entries in the chain, so if I get an off result I can look back through the chain and see where the error happened as long as I don't hammer that CE button several times out of muscle memory

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Al_wat wrote: »
    You know, just the other day at work thanks to a coworker "showing his work" with some simple arithmetic, i was able to sort an issue of a magic ~100 cubic meters of heavy water that had apparently materialized out of nowhere.

    Normally its very expensive to produce such a volume, and also expensive to get rid of that volume when you dont need it (especially after we'veused it), so i also saved the company untold millions.

    Sounds like someone earned a pizza party!

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  • CelloCello Registered User regular
    I did all my math in my head which prompted my grade 9 math teacher to give me a wakeup call of a mere 76 on my midterm report card (and explained to my parents that the answer wasn't worth anything without the process and he just wanted to scare me into writing the steps down)

    It was valuable as a learning experience because 1. I was such a nerd that a mark in the 70s at the time was world-ending and 2. when I got to uni some engineering problems took upwards of an hour to solve and you'd usually fuck up somewhere, so the process was where you'd actually get points back

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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Cello wrote: »
    I did all my math in my head which prompted my grade 9 math teacher to give me a wakeup call of a mere 76 on my midterm report card (and explained to my parents that the answer wasn't worth anything without the process and he just wanted to scare me into writing the steps down)

    It was valuable as a learning experience because 1. I was such a nerd that a mark in the 70s at the time was world-ending and 2. when I got to uni some engineering problems took upwards of an hour to solve and you'd usually fuck up somewhere, so the process was where you'd actually get points back

    My wife is the same; I’m genuinely in awe of folks like yourselves. It’s all wizardry and witchcraft to me

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Madican wrote: »
    I've never seen ads on my phone calculator. Or anything besides the calculator and maybe an option to change what type

    Oh it must only be on the ipad then

    The iPad doesn’t have a built in calculator app. You probably have a free ad-supported app from the App Store. And yes, it’s dumb that they don’t include a damn calculator app. I use more practical math on a daily basis than I’d wager the average person does, and I do a majority of it on my iPad, and it took way too long to find a good calculator app.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Cello wrote: »
    I did all my math in my head which prompted my grade 9 math teacher to give me a wakeup call of a mere 76 on my midterm report card (and explained to my parents that the answer wasn't worth anything without the process and he just wanted to scare me into writing the steps down)

    It was valuable as a learning experience because 1. I was such a nerd that a mark in the 70s at the time was world-ending and 2. when I got to uni some engineering problems took upwards of an hour to solve and you'd usually fuck up somewhere, so the process was where you'd actually get points back

    Yeah, once I got to high level math I saw the benefit of it. Or rather that it’s the most important part.

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  • CelloCello Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Cello wrote: »
    I did all my math in my head which prompted my grade 9 math teacher to give me a wakeup call of a mere 76 on my midterm report card (and explained to my parents that the answer wasn't worth anything without the process and he just wanted to scare me into writing the steps down)

    It was valuable as a learning experience because 1. I was such a nerd that a mark in the 70s at the time was world-ending and 2. when I got to uni some engineering problems took upwards of an hour to solve and you'd usually fuck up somewhere, so the process was where you'd actually get points back

    My wife is the same; I’m genuinely in awe of folks like yourselves. It’s all wizardry and witchcraft to me

    My Dad is even better at this after years of working the trades and estimating floors

    He can just do complex multiplication calculations in his head, if he asks me to run some numbers occasionally I just wait and let him sort it out because it's faster

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  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    I'm unsure why your parents didn't sic administration on that teacher the first time, much less let it happen twice for the same unforgivable reasoning.

    My sister's English teacher made her cry one day and during the next parent teacher conference my dad made it clear to her in no uncertain terms she would not have an opportunity to do that to me.

    First day of Junior AP English, who's my teacher? Yup. Roll gets called and since I'm a Jr she absolutely recognized the name, and just sort of looked at me.

    "So, should I just go to the office now, or?"

    That was my last day in her class

    Yeah that’s basically how I dodged a bullet with my AP English teacher senior year. Ol’ miss “your interpretation of the poem is incorrect”

    Ha, my AP english most of us had been in the honors english section since freshman year and her daughter was in it. To say she ran the class would be a stretch. We had books we had to read and some expectation of papers, but she was basically like "you all know how to write, here's how not to fuck up on the exam."
    Every friday we just fucked off and read bad poetry while eating muffins.

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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    I always told my math teacher that I couldn't show my work or I'd get kicked out of the International Brotherhood of Magicians.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Multiple things can be true.

    It is important for younger students to practice and learn to show their work in math, just as it's important to practice and learn good study habits.

    Also way too many adults fall back on non-explanations and blanket assertions of authority instead of actually explaining the value of learning/doing the given thing the given way.

    Also also some people, whether student or teacher, just kinda suck as people.

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  • PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    I've never seen ads on my phone calculator. Or anything besides the calculator and maybe an option to change what type

    Oh it must only be on the ipad then

    The iPad doesn’t have a built in calculator app. You probably have a free ad-supported app from the App Store. And yes, it’s dumb that they don’t include a damn calculator app. I use more practical math on a daily basis than I’d eager the average person does, and I do a majority of it on my iPad, and it took way too long to find a good calculator app.

    Which one did you settle on? My mother in law recently got an iPad, I’ve never had one despite having iPhone for years, so I recently learned about that lack of official calculator app, too.

    (All because Steve Jobs didn’t like the look of the first iteration, and ever since then they've said just blowing up the phone version of the app isn’t “good enough”)

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    I always told my math teacher that I couldn't show my work or I'd get kicked out of the International Brotherhood of Magicians.

    Mathemagicians, surely?

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Found out today a bunch of sales people have been faking records on how many people theyve been calling so thats cool

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    Perrsun wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    I've never seen ads on my phone calculator. Or anything besides the calculator and maybe an option to change what type

    Oh it must only be on the ipad then

    The iPad doesn’t have a built in calculator app. You probably have a free ad-supported app from the App Store. And yes, it’s dumb that they don’t include a damn calculator app. I use more practical math on a daily basis than I’d eager the average person does, and I do a majority of it on my iPad, and it took way too long to find a good calculator app.

    Which one did you settle on? My mother in law recently got an iPad, I’ve never had one despite having iPhone for years, so I recently learned about that lack of official calculator app, too.

    (All because Steve Jobs didn’t like the look of the first iteration, and ever since then they've said just blowing up the phone version of the app isn’t “good enough”)

    I actually use a kind of specialized calculator app a lot (DeWalt Mobile Pro) for stuff like board foot, imperial>metric conversions, and area calculations. But for regular calculators, I use Calcbot, which I love. Works great in split screen mode, has one touch access to constants (like pi, or you can set your own custom ones), it lets you drag and drop results to other apps, and it also lets you email your current history “tape” directly from the app, which has been super useful for me.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Today was a club fair at my high school, held during both lunches.

    Due to miscommunications, I ended up representing the Queer Club at the table for both lunches. It went well, we had students sign up to join the club.

    But the club that did the best? The club with the most aggressive recruitment? Horticulture Club.

    The plant club would pull in every guy that walked past by telling them about how their club had a bunch of girls in it. Their table was also right next to the JROTC table, prompting them to snipe kids that approach their opponent's table, in addition to heckling the JROTC kids.

    Man... The Horticulture Club is cool.

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I feel like more than half of internal business problems are caused by miscommunication cause no one wants to write anything down.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Highschool men picking clubs based on where the women are is a tradition that goes way back. Its how my parents met.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Multiple things can be true.

    It is important for younger students to practice and learn to show their work in math, just as it's important to practice and learn good study habits.

    Also way too many adults fall back on non-explanations and blanket assertions of authority instead of actually explaining the value of learning/doing the given thing the given way.

    Also also some people, whether student or teacher, just kinda suck as people.

    There's also the case of teens being teens and ignoring/dismissing an explanation of the value and only remembering it as authoritarian bullshit.

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  • DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Found out today a bunch of sales people have been faking records on how many people theyve been calling so thats cool

    Salespeople lying? Salespeople slacking off? You cannot see me, but I am stretched out on my fainting couch trying to recover from this obvious slander!

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Multiple things can be true.

    It is important for younger students to practice and learn to show their work in math, just as it's important to practice and learn good study habits.

    Also way too many adults fall back on non-explanations and blanket assertions of authority instead of actually explaining the value of learning/doing the given thing the given way.

    Also also some people, whether student or teacher, just kinda suck as people.

    There's also the case of teens being teens and ignoring/dismissing an explanation of the value and only remembering it as authoritarian bullshit.

    There's also the blanket approach of, "It must be done this way in all fields," instead of recognition that maybe different tasks should have different tools.

    Like, in math or science or group projects (where "getting everyone on the same page" is part of what's being taught), sure, I got how showing your work was important. I still didn't see the utility in homework, and didn't do that shit, but on tests and whatnot I didn't have any problem explaining what I was doing to prove I knew how to do it. That made sense to me, that tracked.

    But stuff like "summarize the chapter of the book we're reading" (when my essays synthesizing the reading would be good, my tests would be good, I was an active participant in conversations to demonstrate that I was keeping up)? Waste of my time, you're making me do busywork, skipping that. Worksheets for history class, filling out timelines or whatever? I'll demonstrate retention and synthesis in my essays and tests, you're basically making me transcribe stuff from the textbook to a different piece of paper and we've got Xerox machines already, piss off. Submitting drafts-in-progress of essays or stories in English classes? They're not done yet, I don't want to be evaluated on unfinished work, and the pace of my work shouldn't be any concern of yours, get bent.

    I was a very cliche A's and D's student. Highest SAT scores in my class, second-lowest GPA. And when the inevitable parent-teacher conferences would try to frame this as a me problem ("If the homework's so easy, why don't you just do it?"), I was... Unmoved. If it's absolutely vital that I waste my fuckin' time, explain to me how it's vital, ya know?

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Highschool men picking clubs based on where the women are is a tradition that goes way back. Its how my parents met.

    My parents met at jury duty. Both in their early 30's not even thinking about potentially dating someone let alone settling down somewhere.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    My boss's boss came for a visit to our location yesterday for a review of our metrics. If you'll recall, I was the interim manager for over a year, and the permanent manager they hired in May left the company earlier this month so I am once again the interim manager. I was informally offered the management position, but I declined because having had 4 months back in my previous role I have realized that while I can handle being the manager, I am much happier when I am able to focus tasks that being a manager wouldn't give me the time to work on.

    I was also told that in recognition of my support of the business that he is working on a salary increase, although there is no finalized number yet. But hey, anything is good right?

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    FREEEDOM!
    I got locked out of being able to put labels on stuff so all I could go is stock and zone it
    They put me with the person who you need to hit with a stick to make him work so asking him to do the labels was impossible as he has to turn off his mp3s which he gets annoyed at

    But still Eat it work you earned this enjoy the problems you created and drive me crazy

    HELLS YEAH! Keep it up, get assigned to this dumbshit every day!

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  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Yeah, fuck homework, it serves no useful purpose 90% of the time

    Some folks' brains need the gradual accretion and persistent reinforcement of homework, it helps a lot of folks with retention, I ain't slagging the general concept of it.

    But I didn't need it, and the arbitrary enforcement of "You MUST do this thing, even though it serves no material benefit to you" was what rankled.

    Research has demonstrated that for most students, homework is busy work and doesn’t help all that much with retention.

    That’s the broad strokes anyway, like, for me, I for sure needed more math practice, cuz I was just not getting it, but it is very over-relied upon because it is easy to assign, measure, and record to give a numerical score.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Within my department, if one of my students decided to do no homework for the entire semester, they could walk away with an 85% in the course.

    We weigh coursework so low compared to assessments...

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  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Within my department, if one of my students decided to do no homework for the entire semester, they could walk away with an 85% in the course.

    We weigh coursework so low compared to assessments...

    That worked out in my favor quite a bit in school, to be honest.

    But the whole system needs to be ripped out and flushed, redesigned.

  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    I'm guessing there's a diminishing return on what length of repetition helps with what percent of kids for any given subject, I can't imagine very much helping with how rote the whole thing has to become.

    Rather build on those skills over time, I'd rather write a hundred for loops over the course of two semesters of progressively more advanced programming then have to do 20 just for a half-course grade.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Went to a house today owned by someone with entirely too much money. Used Quietrock in every room of the house because he loves being in Vermont and wants it to be quiet everywhere, which, fine. But he chose the RF shielding version and doesn't understand why his wifi is everywhere is crap. I mean, you made every room in your house a faraday cage, what do you want me to do? I'm gonna sell you a shitload more nodes and tip all your Ethernet ends to make them work properly. You've got the money for it.

    I really hate that we're using consumer mesh for this house though. We could get a strong Luxul system in there and everything would be even more stable, but dude is very particular about appearances, and at least the mesh stuff is easier to hide. Which it shouldn't be! But the contractor made bad decisions all over the place, so we're just coming in after.

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    edited September 2022
    I asked my partner (e: for reference an elementary teacher) her thoughts on homework and I think she just articulated a monologue on contemporary pedagogy to me.

    TL;DR: homework is bad

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    edited September 2022
    I can think of a few "my teacher is shit" moments from school
    - 8th grade science teacher telling us that lava from a volcano is the fourth state of matter. The only reason I know I didn't dream this is that in our 9th grade science class when our teacher asked us to give an example of plasma, all my other classmates who had the same teacher also said "lava!" and she wondered where the hell we got that idea. So we told her what her coworker had told us. The look on her face was priceless. Now that I'm an adult, I realize he must have been just as shitty to work with as he was to be taught by.
    - 12th grade substitute teacher trying to make the whole class write an essay about being too loud in class when I had been sitting quietly at my desk studying for finals. I asked him what it was meant to accomplish when I had done no wrong, and he said that I was supposed to exert pressure on my fellow students (lmao) not to be rowdy when they were supposed to be quietly working. I said "So you want me to do your job for you?" and was promptly sent out into the hall. I waited while he (I guess) lectured the class, then he came and lectured me. But I didn't give a fuck because my outburst meant we didn't have to do the paper.
    - 9th grade math teacher marked me wrong for a question I know I got correct. When I asked why I had gotten it wrong, when I knew I was using the correct math to get the answer, teacher told me, "we haven't learned that* yet." *"That" being the math principle I used to get my answer. I'd learned it and remembered it from math class the previous year. Math teacher refused to change my grade.

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    I’m pretty sure I never turned in a single piece of homework the entire time I was in high school because I was always extremely good at test taking and I just started doing the math on grade weighting. I realized I could coast by as an A- student with the occasional C without spending a minute on homework.

    Honestly, my math teachers should have been happy about my practical application of what I learned.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    I’m pretty sure I never turned in a single piece of homework the entire time I was in high school because I was always extremely good at test taking and I just started doing the math on grade weighting. I realized I could coast by as an A- student with the occasional C without spending a minute on homework.

    Honestly, my math teachers should have been happy about my practical application of what I learned.

    Had a math teacher tell us that if our midterm or final grade was higher than our class grade he would use those instead.

    Yeah, I didn't do much actual class work in that class.

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    My geometry teacher would walk into class with a cup of coffee, point to the chalkboard which had page numbers written on them, and told us to read it and left the room. She would consistently do this until after a test (where we had to know the vocabulary of the math we were using or we would lose points). After the class would inevitably bomb out, she would spend the class after the test on teaching us the material we had universally fucked up and ignoring the shit we got right.

    That was the only teaching she did. At all.

    She was the head of the math department.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Al_wat wrote: »
    I just use a calculator

    B)

    When I was in high school they preached the dogma of a calculator is a crutch. As how do you know it got the right answer what did it do to get that answer?
    I can still do a lot of math in my head even calculus! so showing my work is just a bunch of half written thoughts

  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    This morning my brother got to see how the managers work manage a team. because I stayed late to finish certain things but was unable to label
    The Team lead offered me a tc to bin the freight even though I told him he needs to make sure J is labeling or he could have asked B to label it and then help {it was not that much backstock to begin with}
    He made fun how team lead was basically whining and begging me to stay to bin instead of doing the suggestions I had offered

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    One of the teachers in my middle school had all four of us kids. My older brother and sister, me, and then my little sister.
    First day of class, she saw my little sister's name on the roster and said "God, I hope you're the last one...". Apparently loud enough for the entire class to hear.

    That was her last year.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    This morning my brother got to see how the managers work manage a team. because I stayed late to finish certain things but was unable to label
    The Team lead offered me a tc to bin the freight even though I told him he needs to make sure J is labeling or he could have asked B to label it and then help {it was not that much backstock to begin with}
    He made fun how team lead was basically whining and begging me to stay to bin instead of doing the suggestions I had offered

    He's right!
    Also, next time don't stay to finish those "certain things", just go.

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    I had an English teacher who made us turn in 5-page essays every 2 weeks, and wouldn't accept anything printed because (in 1997) "computers are a fad." After seeing me transcribing an essay from type to hand written (because I'd gotten used to doing my writing at a computer, that's where I think better, now) she asked why, and I told her. A lot of other kids in my class got upset that after my mom talked to the principal that I had an "exception" for turning in typed work, and all I did was tell them what my mom did.

    And that's how I got a teacher to quit (low chance she was fired).

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    One thing that having a teacher as a parent showed me was that teachers are almost immediately so completely done with your shit you can't imagine it because you're kid number 10,000.

    Like my mom really enjoyed teaching most of the time, but also would sometimes be like some motherfucker lightly coughed the first day of class I'm going to resign.

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    The stories I hear of fifth grade are frankly hysterical

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