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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Hey guys. I know everyone went to school, but can we not have countless posts about how shitty your school and teachers were every time the couple of us educators post about our jobs in here.

    It is extremely demoralizing and makes, at least me, me not want to post.

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    edited September 2022
    edit: aw I didn't even think about that, I'm sorry, Lib

    edit 2: if it helps, the library was always a sanctuary!

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  • DessertedDesserted Dessert desertRegistered User regular
    Speaking of teaching, yesterday I seem to have run into (created?) a paradox.

    I noticed that one of my students in 7th period had an excused absence marked in our attendance program, which happens every now and again, and I contacted attendance to let them know so they could correct it. I didn't think anything else of it until some time after school they gave me a call and asked me if I was sure that I had given them the right student information. They told me I must be wrong because that student went home sick at lunch and they had called home to double check after I sent the email in. Their mom said they were home and asleep in bed. So, at this point I'm wondering if I had just completely mixed things up somehow, but we double checked the name and student ID and sure enough we were talking about the same student. At this point I was wondering if I had a student pretending to be this other student for the entire time they were in class, they've only been in the class a couple of weeks with spotty attendance as is, but the picture in the attendance program matched what the student looked like, so that doesn't seem likely. The attendance person is asking again if I'm sure if I have the right student and I'm pretty sure I am. Then I go and check to see that I had this students quiz that the class had just taken and sure enough it was there with their name on it! This kid was definitely in my class, but also at home asleep in bed.

    I'm thinking that the student's mom went back to work or something and just assumed the kid stayed home? Or somehow attendance dialed the wrong student's parents that had also happened to go home sick that day? I'm choosing to believe this student astrally projected to attend class to take a quiz. I also like to joke with my students that I exist in multiple timelines at once, so if we don't ever figure out what happened there I'm choosing to believe I really do somehow.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Desserted wrote: »
    Speaking of teaching, yesterday I seem to have run into (created?) a paradox.

    I noticed that one of my students in 7th period had an excused absence marked in our attendance program, which happens every now and again, and I contacted attendance to let them know so they could correct it. I didn't think anything else of it until some time after school they gave me a call and asked me if I was sure that I had given them the right student information. They told me I must be wrong because that student went home sick at lunch and they had called home to double check after I sent the email in. Their mom said they were home and asleep in bed. So, at this point I'm wondering if I had just completely mixed things up somehow, but we double checked the name and student ID and sure enough we were talking about the same student. At this point I was wondering if I had a student pretending to be this other student for the entire time they were in class, they've only been in the class a couple of weeks with spotty attendance as is, but the picture in the attendance program matched what the student looked like, so that doesn't seem likely. The attendance person is asking again if I'm sure if I have the right student and I'm pretty sure I am. Then I go and check to see that I had this students quiz that the class had just taken and sure enough it was there with their name on it! This kid was definitely in my class, but also at home asleep in bed.

    I'm thinking that the student's mom went back to work or something and just assumed the kid stayed home? Or somehow attendance dialed the wrong student's parents that had also happened to go home sick that day? I'm choosing to believe this student astrally projected to attend class to take a quiz. I also like to joke with my students that I exist in multiple timelines at once, so if we don't ever figure out what happened there I'm choosing to believe I really do somehow.

    Maybe they are secret twins and got mixed up on who was supposed to be where! I've definitely had students marked absent in the system who I was literally looking at so you are clearly correct. I'm guessing the wrong parent was called. Can you check to see if there is another student with a similar name? Obviously there it nothing you need to do but the mystery remains!

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  • DessertedDesserted Dessert desertRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I'm far more amused by the situation than anything. I though they might have had a sibling or twin, but nope! No record of a sibling on file. I have no doubt that there's another student with that name at our school. I have one period with 3 students that have the same first and last name. It's been real fun trying to remember which assignment goes to which student.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Now, I have seen a story with possibly similar elements to what I am reading above.

    This student, by chance, are they a magician?

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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Now, I have seen a story with possibly similar elements to what I am reading above.

    This student, by chance, are they a magician?

    Is their name Kurt Wagner perchance?

  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Do they have a seemingly reality-defying amount of top hats?

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Yeah the library always was the best place in the school, regardless of school.

    Maybe I can tell some good educator stories to cleanse the palate?

    When I was in elementary school (I'm thinking like 2nd grade), I had an amazing teacher named Mrs. Patterson. Your reward for doing well in the class was being allowed to go up into a loft she had set up with pillows to read a book by yourself. She also did this absolutely amazing thing where she set up a puppet show of Where the Wild Things Are, and I was the puppeteer. My best friend Ginger read the text. My mom made me an outfit in all-black (the pattern was a clown costume/bodysuit, she just used black fabric for it.) The puppets were on both hands and both feet, as I recall - I was laying on my back, on a table for the performance. I can even remember getting a laugh when I performed "let the wild rumpus start!" - even Ginger had a little laugh in her voice when she read the next line. I'm not sure, but I think the puppet show was for a special voluntary summer school program she was giving, and we were not the only ones who performed, but no way do I remember what anyone else did that day. I also remember Mrs. Patterson hugging both Ginger and I in the hallway one time, and saying she's so lucky to have us in her class. Man, she was the best.

    I also remember a funny old guy in my elementary education (probably around 4th or 5th grade?) named Mr. Pittman, and if you asked him what time it is, he'd look at his wrist and say "It's a hair past a freckle", which always made me laugh.

    And to not leave my high school educators out, there was Mrs. Kingston in my Senior AP English class. She was all-around an amazing teacher, and her writing assignments made you want to do good at them. One of them was to write the opening ghost scene in Hamlet, but for a modern audience and in your own voice. I took a huge risk by writing the play about the drama I was experiencing in Band at the time (long time and beloved band director moved cities, new band director was really not suited to the job and nobody liked him). So I ended up writing something deeply personal. Then Mrs. Kingston asked me privately if she could share it with the class, and I was really hesitant because I legit wasn't trying to stir up additional drama for our new band director, but I ultimately said yes. As we were passing the scenes around to be read, I even heard two students commenting on my paper specifically - I felt recognized! Because I poured so much into that paper, I wasn't entirely surprised that it moved other people, too; but the paper she recognized that did surprise me is when we did a practice AP exam. When it came to the essay part I only got half a page done and felt like a failure. On a later day, after having collected and read our exams, she had specific people stand up and read their essay, as an example of the type of thing you should write for the AP exam, and mine was one of the ones called! She gave me a lot of confidence in ways I never expected. She's also the only teacher I've written a letter (email) to, to let her know her impact on me.

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  • DessertedDesserted Dessert desertRegistered User regular
    Hmm I haven't seen any signs of magicry, but I suppose that could just mean they're just good at concealing it?

    In other teaching job news, this is going to be my third full year teaching and the imposter syndrome has died down significantly! I have a pretty decent feel for how the classes are going to go and am very happy that I don't have to spend as much time creating new curriculum. Although, I do kind of enjoy creating/improving curriculum. It's been really cool having my students from last year come back and visit too, so I'm taking that as a good sign. The new batch of students are slowly coming around I think, but they don't yet appreciate my bad joke of the week that I share on Fridays (many of them stolen from the bad joke thread.) They keep expecting them to be funny and I have to keep reminding them that they are bad jokes for a reason.

    I did go on extended day a few weeks ago and losing that prep period has hurt more than I thought it would. Still mostly good overall!

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I’ll say more when I get to my computer and am not on mobile, but I have recently tried getting onto an education track with after school tutoring and ACT tutoring, and I constantly think about the bad teachers I had in order to not follow their example. I want the kids to know I care about them, and I want to help them succeed the best I can.

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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    I learned it as “it’s a freckle past a hair, Eastern Elbow Time.” Regional differences in word order maybe?

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    I learned it as “it’s a freckle past a hair, Eastern Elbow Time.” Regional differences in word order maybe?

    Sounds like a time zone difference. I think Cambatia would have been on Central Forearm Time.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I guess I would say that you should use the CBT technique of changing how you are taking in the information. Don't look at the complaints about bad teachers wear you down. Instead, look at how important it is to be a good teacher. Bad teachers leave scars. Bad teachers haunt your dreams.

    Good teachers help you to self actualize. Good teachers help you to learn about interesting ideas and try to help you to learn them. Good teachers help you to become a better person.

    One of my favorite teachers of all time was my 2nd grade teacher: Ms. Knight. I can tell you what I cannot tell you 95% of my teachers, ESPECIALLY grade school ones, but Ms. Knight I remember. She was kind and honest and treated us with respect. In the 2nd grade. She's also the one that recommended me for the gifted track in school which was life changing. I learned so many great things while being in the gifted program, shit I still remember to this day. Hell, the gifted program is the reason why I passed the LSAT. Logic games are a third of your LSAT grade and we would do constant logic games in the gifted program.

    Like I said, I am working in tutoring kids afterschool and for the ACT right now. I want to help them, I want them to succeed. And one thing I struggle with now is that I am a neurodivergent brain in a neurotypical world, and I cannot quite grasp how neurotypical brains process information. Hearing people complain about specific things teachers did that I didn't think of helps me to avoid making those same mistakes. It helps me to understand a wider variety of minds so I can better say "Oh, THIS is how these kids are processing this information." And it also helps me feel less alone, that my experiences were shared. That other neurodivergent kids were out there struggling in school just the same. And to me it also highlights the importance of reaching those neurodivergent kids and making them feel safe and welcome.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    Hearing people complain about specific things teachers did that I didn't think of helps me to avoid making those same mistakes. It helps me to understand a wider variety of minds so I can better say "Oh, THIS is how these kids are processing this information." And it also helps me feel less alone, that my experiences were shared. That other neurodivergent kids were out there struggling in school just the same. And to me it also highlights the importance of reaching those neurodivergent kids and making them feel safe and welcome.

    Okay, so I understand how you want to integrate information as to better yourself within the realm of education, but the fact that every time an educator posts something related to their job in the job thread it immediately sparks a communal sharing of people's shared non-professional experience it becomes incredibly exhausting, particularly as that only seems to occur with job posts regarding education.

    An educator posting about a thing that happened at their job shouldn't be an invitation for everyone to rehash their adolescent struggles from 15-20 years ago, and right now it 100% is (and almost happens like clockwork).

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Hearing people complain about specific things teachers did that I didn't think of helps me to avoid making those same mistakes. It helps me to understand a wider variety of minds so I can better say "Oh, THIS is how these kids are processing this information." And it also helps me feel less alone, that my experiences were shared. That other neurodivergent kids were out there struggling in school just the same. And to me it also highlights the importance of reaching those neurodivergent kids and making them feel safe and welcome.

    Okay, so I understand how you want to integrate information as to better yourself within the realm of education, but the fact that every time an educator posts something related to their job in the job thread it immediately sparks a communal sharing of people's shared non-professional experience it becomes incredibly exhausting, particularly as that only seems to occur with job posts regarding education.

    An educator posting about a thing that happened at their job shouldn't be an invitation for everyone to rehash their adolescent struggles from 15-20 years ago, and right now it 100% is (and almost happens like clockwork).

    I understand where you are coming from and will try to be mindful in the future, I was trying to give an explanation for the positive aspects of it as part of a CBT technique that helps reframe data in your head. I completely understand how it can be exhausting and I will try to be more mindful going forward, though.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Hearing people complain about specific things teachers did that I didn't think of helps me to avoid making those same mistakes. It helps me to understand a wider variety of minds so I can better say "Oh, THIS is how these kids are processing this information." And it also helps me feel less alone, that my experiences were shared. That other neurodivergent kids were out there struggling in school just the same. And to me it also highlights the importance of reaching those neurodivergent kids and making them feel safe and welcome.

    Okay, so I understand how you want to integrate information as to better yourself within the realm of education, but the fact that every time an educator posts something related to their job in the job thread it immediately sparks a communal sharing of people's shared non-professional experience it becomes incredibly exhausting, particularly as that only seems to occur with job posts regarding education.

    An educator posting about a thing that happened at their job shouldn't be an invitation for everyone to rehash their adolescent struggles from 15-20 years ago, and right now it 100% is (and almost happens like clockwork).

    I'm sorry for contributing to this and I'll do my best to not do it again.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    I learned it as “it’s a freckle past a hair, Eastern Elbow Time.” Regional differences in word order maybe?

    Sounds like a time zone difference. I think Cambatia would have been on Central Forearm Time.

    Ha ha, I've never heard anything but the "hair past a freckle" part, and Mr. Pittman was the only person I ever heard make the expression. Maybe he was from the east coast and that's where he got it, but he dropped the "Eastern Elbow Time" because it no longer applied.

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    I can’t say a hair past a freckle because my arms have thousands of freckles and thus time has no meaning there.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Literally never gonna think Cognitive Behavioral Therapy at first glance of the letters CBT

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    CAKIN' BARE OF TUSINESS

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Gonna need that CBT to reframe what I think of when I hear CBT

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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Literally never gonna think Cognitive Behavioral Therapy at first glance of the letters CBT

    The other CBT might work even better for retraining

  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    One of my brother's friends briefly went out with Randy Bachman's daughter.

  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Gonna need that CBT to reframe what I think of when I hear CBT

    I think you’ll remember after your first CBT

  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Oh sure. NOW I get the WW1 US army campaign hat that I ordered over the summer. Now that I've finished the lessons.

    I guess I can cosplay as Smokey the Bear in the meantime. It is a very well made hat though.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    I need someone to tell my brain that we haven't even had the interview yet so if it could please just Stop rehearsing the resignation letter and exit interview, that would be great.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I got punched in the face in the school library a few times. But the books were pretty good. And the librarian was nice.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I was chosen to be a library aide in middle school. I enjoyed it, except when it required me to interact with the students.

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    I've added this to the OP:
    Grade school education is a huge part of the formative years of every poster we have in this thread, and we have all had some traumatic experience during that time of our life because it's simply impossible not to over a 12+ year period. That being said, we have several educators in this thread. If they share a bad job experience, please treat it like anyone else in the thread sharing a bad experience at work just to get it off of their chests. It's not an invitation to reminisce about a bad education or poor educator you had in the past. It's disheartening to them both personally and professionally when this happens.

    If you want to share positive experiences in education, feel free.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Hey guys. I know everyone went to school, but can we not have countless posts about how shitty your school and teachers were every time the couple of us educators post about our jobs in here.

    It is extremely demoralizing and makes, at least me, me not want to post.

    "I'm a math teacher" "oh, I hated math"

    -_-

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    I had an art teacher in high school who got a very shy but extremely talented student to submit for a regional art competition by promising to get the tattoo of her choice and design if she placed (he had a lot of tattoos). Silver medal later he had a balloon animal rendition of the school mascot on his calf.

    Nice guy.

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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    I managed to have an entirely unremarkable time at school.

    I do have lifelong guilt over the Iain M. Banks book my English teacher leant me which I never returned.

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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    A kid keeping a book they loaned them is an absolute win scenario for an English teacher, don't sweat it.

    As long as they weren't also the school librarian, in which case there are some deep-cover kill squads you might want to keep an eye out for.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    Hey guys. I know everyone went to school, but can we not have countless posts about how shitty your school and teachers were every time the couple of us educators post about our jobs in here.

    It is extremely demoralizing and makes, at least me, me not want to post.

    "I'm a math teacher" "oh, I hated math"

    -_-

    Funny thing, I actually fell in love with pre-algebra in the 4th and 5th grade and was immensely disappointed when algebra wasn’t on the plate for the 6th grade.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    One thing I wanna do for some of the kids I am doing after school tutoring for is to ignore the very bad curriculum we have been given and like, just find out what subjects they are interested in. I know one seems interested at math, one loves mythology, I am willing to bet I can convince the Pokémon card kids that probabilities are interesting because it will help them play their game.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    A kid keeping a book they loaned them is an absolute win scenario for an English teacher, don't sweat it.

    As long as they weren't also the school librarian, in which case there are some deep-cover kill squads you might want to keep an eye out for.

    not supposed to talk about the kill squads, Jedoc

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  • PellaeonPellaeon Registered User regular
    School is one of those things we all dealt with, for years, so it's one of the few things that everyone has direct experience and memories about.

    Doesn't mean we know shit about what it takes on the other end. Even teachers who I had issues with, when I think back now as an adult with hindsight, trying to manage 20-30 kids at a time plus all the other bullshit the had to deal with, let alone now with lol-pandemic and fascists threatening people for teaching controversial subjects like "science" and "reality," im grateful anyone even still does the job.

    Rock on y'all.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited September 2022
    seriously, though:

    Every now and then I get reminded that schools today have procedures (drills, lock-downs, sign-in sheets, etc) for attempted shooting sprees and I just cannot even.
    That is fucked up on a level I never had to deal with.

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  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    seriously, though:

    Every now and then I get reminded that schools today have procedures (drills, lock-downs, sign-in sheets, etc) for attempted shooting sprees and I just cannot even.
    That is fucked up on a level I never had to deal with.

    My school did a Run, Hide, Fight drill last week!!

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