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    TefTef Registered User regular
    50 years ago today, never forget

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tef wrote: »
    50 years ago today, never forget

    Of course!

    The famous 1973 Chilean Coup d’etat!

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Washington D.C., November 3, 2020 - Several days after Salvador Allende’s history-changing November 3, 1970, inauguration, Richard Nixon convened his National Security Council for a formal meeting on what policy the U.S. should adopt toward Chile’s new Popular Unity government. Only a few officials who gathered in the White House Cabinet Room knew that, under Nixon’s orders, the CIA had covertly tried, and failed, to foment a preemptive military coup to prevent Allende from ever being inaugurated.

    The SECRET/SENSITIVE NSC memorandum of conversation revealed a consensus that Allende’s democratic election and his socialist agenda for substantive change in Chile threatened U.S. interests, but divergent views on what the U.S. could, and should do about it. “We can bring his downfall, perhaps, without being counterproductive,” suggested Secretary of State William Rogers, who opposed overt hostility and aggression toward Chile. “We have to do everything we can to hurt [Allende] and bring him down,” agreed the secretary of defense, Melvin Laird.

    “Our main concern in Chile is the prospect that [Allende] can consolidate himself and the picture projected to the world will be his success,” President Nixon explained as he instructed his national security team to adopt a hostile, if low-profile, program of aggression to destabilize Allende’s ability to govern. “We’ll be very cool and very correct, but doing those things which will be a real message to Allende and others.”
    In the immediate aftermath of the Hersh revelations, President Ford issued an unprecedented, if mendacious, acknowledgement of CIA covert operations. “The effort that was made in this case,” he told the press, “was to help assist the preservation of opposition newspapers and electronic media and to preserve opposition political parties.” U.S. intervention to preserve Chile’s democratic institutions was “in the best interests of the people of Chile and certainly in our best interests,” President Ford submitted as the Pinochet regime marked the first anniversary of what would become a 17-year military dictatorship.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    An old friends birthday is 9/11

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    An old friends birthday is 9/11

    yeah my primary memory of 9/11/2001 is this jerk in my class sobbing and crying because it was his birthday and he knew it was ruined forever

    pretty great silver lining tbh

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    SirToastySirToasty Registered User regular
    My birthday is the day after. Can't say I remember that one.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Kim Il-Sung was born 15th of April 1912 so you know his Birthday was ruined right out the gate.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    We’re further from 9/11 2001 today than 9/11 2001 was from the start of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, or the Iranian Revolution

    This probably belongs in the “getting old” thread

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    I had just graduated from HS in 2000 and saw the planes hit on live TV. Everyone else I know that's my age seems to have an emotional reaction to the footage, but 22 years later it just doesn't register to me anymore. I don't go out of my way to watch or avoid it, but if I see it, there's just nothing there anymore.

    I don't know if it's weird but it definitely seems like a minority opinion.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    I had just graduated from HS in 2000 and saw the planes hit on live TV. Everyone else I know that's my age seems to have an emotional reaction to the footage, but 22 years later it just doesn't register to me anymore. I don't go out of my way to watch or avoid it, but if I see it, there's just nothing there anymore.

    I don't know if it's weird but it definitely seems like a minority opinion.

    I'm right there with you. Graduated in 2003 and I remember sitting in the cafeteria as everything happened. Now it's just one of those awful things, but I don't really have a reaction to it.

    I mean, terrible shit happens all the time and I'm a little numb to it.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    I graduated in 2005, so I was a high school freshman when it happened. I remember that I was in a class change and my first thought was that someone in a Cessna had made a big mistake. Then I walked into Civics (of all classes!) and saw what was on the TV.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Last Friday I had one of my new 9th grade students begin inquiring into how I would mourning today.

    And, uh, that was a weird conversation cause I told them I don't!

    In the same way I don't treat the day of the Pearl Harbor Bombing as a deeply sacred/profane holiday, the 11th of September is just another day in my life.

    Gotta keep moving forward!!

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    UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I forgot

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    RELtasticRELtastic Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    On some level I can understand turning the TVs on in my seventh grade classroom, it was important news and it's not like teachers had cell phones to surreptitiously check or whatever. But I've also never rewatched that footage, I feel no need to do so.

    Someone ten years younger than me may have watched it every year.

    I was about to say something stupid about our school sitting us down to watch the OJ chase as a kid, but then I remembered I was in 5th grade when the OKC bombing happened. I live in a suburb of OKC, and we felt and heard the shock wave. We thought it was a sonic boom from an AWAC from the nearby Air Force Base, and then we spent the rest of the day watching news footage of the rescue - as a fifth grader!

    I was a senior in high school for the 9/11 attacks, and watched the second tower fall in my first period English class.

    My kids are in 3rd and 1st grade, I'll be real interested to see if their teachers say anything to them about it. I've tried to explain it to them before, but they just weren't prepared to understand what I was talking about, bless them.

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    I had just graduated from HS in 2000 and saw the planes hit on live TV. Everyone else I know that's my age seems to have an emotional reaction to the footage, but 22 years later it just doesn't register to me anymore. I don't go out of my way to watch or avoid it, but if I see it, there's just nothing there anymore.

    I don't know if it's weird but it definitely seems like a minority opinion.

    With all of the terrible after effects of the attacks kind of make the actual attacks less poignant. A couple thousand Americans died and we decided to fuck up two countries that aren't even where the majority of the attackers came from and all the anti-Arab/muslim hate afterword was not just prevalent, but became a strong plank in how the Republicans argue for everything and the standard argument for the worst fucking politicians.

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    RELtastic wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    On some level I can understand turning the TVs on in my seventh grade classroom, it was important news and it's not like teachers had cell phones to surreptitiously check or whatever. But I've also never rewatched that footage, I feel no need to do so.

    Someone ten years younger than me may have watched it every year.

    I was about to say something stupid about our school sitting us down to watch the OJ chase as a kid, but then I remembered I was in 5th grade when the OKC bombing happened. I live in a suburb of OKC, and we felt and heard the shock wave. We thought it was a sonic boom from an AWAC from the nearby Air Force Base, and then we spent the rest of the day watching news footage of the rescue - as a fifth grader!

    I was a senior in high school for the 9/11 attacks, and watched the second tower fall in my first period English class.

    My kids are in 3rd and 1st grade, I'll be real interested to see if their teachers say anything to them about it. I've tried to explain it to them before, but they just weren't prepared to understand what I was talking about, bless them.

    I think I was in second grade when the Challenger exploded. We were watching live in school on CNN and we had a lot of questions when it happened, which is course our teacher didn't have answers for. How do you tell a bunch of seven year olds that, nah, the teacher and other astronauts definitely didn't survive?

    9/11 I was obviously older, I was still living with my parents and still in my right wing throes. I was asleep when it started, but was woken up around 930-10 I think? By the F-16s screaming out from Burlington Air Base heading toward NYC. I'd heard them plenty of times before since we were so close to the airport, but I was surprised by how loud they were this time. Then I went downstairs, found my dad was home from work, and he just said "we're under attack."

    He and I just sat there watching TV for a couple hours before I went to work. I don't know why I bothered going to work, but I did. Got there at 130, the mall closed at 3, and I went back home to watch more with my parents. Wild day.

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I know it's the off topic forum but seems disrespectful to Allende to divert the coup memorial thread with these minor north american concerns. Especially given the parties involved.

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    I was in second grade and since my school was in a part of the DC suburbs with a ton of military families, including folks in the Pentagon (like, my dad was almost in the Pentagon that day but ended up getting pulled into work across the highway instead), the teachers basically got as many kids as possible into a multi-purpose room to put on Charlotte's Web while they figured out if anyone needed to get pulled out for bad news

    Basically had no idea what had happened until I got home from school that day

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    I know it's the off topic forum but seems disrespectful to Allende to divert the coup memorial thread with these minor north american concerns. Especially given the parties involved.

    Honestly? The thread is over a year old, so I didn't read the OP again. I just assumed. Oops. :/

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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    @Tef 's title bait claims another victim, smdh

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    tynic wrote: »
    I know it's the off topic forum but seems disrespectful to Allende to divert the coup memorial thread with these minor north american concerns. Especially given the parties involved.

    It's been fifty years and Wikipedia can't even bother to put it on their front page.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    From the looks of it people didn't even bother to read the initial post when it was the first page. Which honestly doesn't surprise me

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    From the looks of it people didn't even bother to read the initial post when it was the first page. Which honestly doesn't surprise me

    americans can't read

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I forgot

    It probably wasn't important then

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    I assumed this was a thread about Ted Cruz liking porn on Twitter.

    Happiness is within reach!
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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure nobody was like "And so every November 22nd from here on, we're gonna show Kennedy getting his brains blown out to the third-graders, just so they know what a big deal it was to us."

    I saw a person online talking about giving their boyfriend a JFK (messy head in the backseat of a car) and I fucking yelled at my phone

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    holy shit that's nasty.

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    I'll admit I laughed, but in a sort of, "okay that's clever but also what in the fucking fuck?" kind of way

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    Back on subject: I've had this book on my shelf for a while:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18048909-i-lived-on-butterfly-hill

    I should probably get around to reading it. A Jewish friend lived through this when she was little.

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    Curly_BraceCurly_Brace Robot Girl Mimiga VillageRegistered User regular
    9/11: never forget how incredibly evil the CIA is.

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    expendableexpendable Silly Goose Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    From the looks of it people didn't even bother to read the initial post when it was the first page. Which honestly doesn't surprise me

    americans can't read

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    So the servers suddenly decide to cramp up during the last six percent.
    Man, the Director will really go out of his way to be a dick to L4D players.
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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    There's a tweet going around today that's like, "zoomers will never understand how stupid everything got post-9/11" but the thing is, they do, because they're living in the world we created post-9/11. "Look at this dumbshit segment on CNN where someone describes how a cave is a mansion!!, the youth won't understand!" Man, they've got people like Tim Pool running around, you think they don't understand that people with huge platforms can be stupid? There were specific ways the response to 9/11 was stupid that won't necessarily translate (political cartoons are, in effect, a dead artform)

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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    They'll never understand how easy it was to go to an airport before 9/11 though.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Hell I'm a millennial and I'm still sometimes trying to wrap my brain around how much things changed since the Twin Towers attack in things like government and law. I was not only too young to comprehend things like Bush's warcrimes or the Patriot Act or Department of Homeland Security, I was a budding conservative at the time. And that lasted until college, though it never really bloomed.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Again, this is the US coup of the democratically elected Chilean government thread, please take all off topic posts to the off topic forum, D&D

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
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    Jenga is as old as I am, which is not old enough to remember the real 9/11

    Sterica wrote: »
    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Magell wrote: »
    They'll never understand how easy it was to go to an airport before 9/11 though.

    I mean, I was 15 on 9/11, I don't really understand how easy it was to go to the airport before 9/11 either

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Again, this is the US coup of the democratically elected Chilean government thread, please take all off topic posts to the off topic forum, D&D

    Much like traffic I'm following the flow.

    Also my medication doesn't last long enough to handle D&D

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I weirdly do cause I vividly remember walking into the terminal and getting lunch with some family before a flight.

    Coincidentally I was on a flight today and the lead uh, whoever, on the loudspeaker asked for a moment of silence in remembrance and then someone three rows ahead of me let rip a really loud fart and like half the plane started giggling.

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