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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Viva Salvador Allende!

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Farts will always be funny. Few things can get me laughing hard enough to cry, but(t) fart comedy does it easily

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    ...and then, due to the low pressure, the stench spread thru the cabin in seconds and everyone started gagging....

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    @Tef (or anyone else), do you have any recommendations for reading on Allende and the Chilean coup specifically, or about the various American-backed coups against Latin American socialist governments more generally?

    I am interested in learning about what the governments were trying to accomplish even more so than the methods by which the imperialist powers crushed them.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    @Tef (or anyone else), do you have any recommendations for reading on Allende and the Chilean coup specifically, or about the various American-backed coups against Latin American socialist governments more generally?

    I am interested in learning about what the governments were trying to accomplish even more so than the methods by which the imperialist powers crushed them.

    As with most “real” American history prepare to be very angry

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    They'll never understand how easy it was to go to an airport before 9/11 though.

    I mean, I was 15 on 9/11, I don't really understand how easy it was to go to the airport before 9/11 either

    Well the shoes stayed on, for one. And you could bring any shampoo you wanted.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    The shoes thing was a few years after 9/11 though, that was when someone tried to get bombs in via shoes. But they uh...caught him using their old security measures, so

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    The shoes thing was a few years after 9/11 though, that was when someone tried to get bombs in via shoes. But they uh...caught him using their old security measures, so

    They didn't really catch him, he tried to light them on the plane and got tackled by other passengers. I mean they were terrible bombs and he didn't succeed but yeah.

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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    The shoes thing was a few years after 9/11 though, that was when someone tried to get bombs in via shoes. But they uh...caught him using their old security measures, so

    They didn't really catch him, he tried to light them on the plane and got tackled by other passengers. I mean they were terrible bombs and he didn't succeed but yeah.

    “Teens, you might think ideals like “one person can make a world of difference” are empty phrases for fictional worlds… that in the real world a single person can’t really impact the course of a nation…

    … but let me remind you that we used to wear shoes during TSA screenings, and now we don’t because of 1 guy.”

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    The shoe thing is weird. I never take my shoes off for international flights.

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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    Perrsun wrote: »
    JayKaos wrote: »
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    The shoes thing was a few years after 9/11 though, that was when someone tried to get bombs in via shoes. But they uh...caught him using their old security measures, so

    They didn't really catch him, he tried to light them on the plane and got tackled by other passengers. I mean they were terrible bombs and he didn't succeed but yeah.

    “Teens, you might think ideals like “one person can make a world of difference” are empty phrases for fictional worlds… that in the real world a single person can’t really impact the course of a nation…

    … but let me remind you that we used to wear shoes during TSA screenings, and now we don’t because of 1 guy.”

    “What about flip flops”

    Especially flip flops”

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    I've never flown in America because I simply wont take off my shoes in public.

    Um, that's what my onlyfans is for, TSA.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    There was an underpants bomber, too, so thank your lucky stars we don't have to put our pants in a separate tray

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Yet.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    There was an underpants bomber, too, so thank your lucky stars we don't have to put our pants in a separate tray

    No we just have to go through the pervert tubes now

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    So the thing is that Kissinger was involved in Allende’s ouster and death (War Crimes Forrest Gump afterall)

    But the USs madness about Allende also predates Kissinger

    JFK and then LBJ were spooked by Castro and the Cuban Missile Crisis and drew a hard line to any more Marxist countries in their hemisphere and thus began plotting to kill Allende long before he was elected because they rightly saw him as a likely winner of elections in Chile

    But the CIA fucked up the assassination of the dude who was blocking the assassination of pre-president Allende (they killed the dude but iirc were immediately found out) and had to sit out the years of growth in the coalition that finally voted Allende into power

    Nixon/Kissinger shifted to assisting Pinochet’s faction to undermine Allende, and then get in on the coup when it kicked off

    Allende, ~Marxist in ends, was also very moderate in means- besides nationalizing the copper industry* and healthcare and education, he held off on a number of reforms, preferring a more “liberal” transition to socialism (not even communism) than most of his faction preferred

    So anyway, much like we went insane after 9/11/2001, we were also fucking insane during the Cold War

    *guess who had major investments in Chilean copper mines

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    I probably got a lot of details wrong

    I wrote this from an airport terminal waiting for an overnight flight

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    JokermanJokerman Everything EverywhereRegistered User regular
    I probably got a lot of details wrong

    I wrote this from an airport terminal waiting for an overnight flight

    Hope your not flying Delta they are canceling tons of flights.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I was on American and was going to be delayed so we changed connecting cities and switched airlines

    I heard someone farted in the plane during a dumbass moment of silence and it was bad and the flight had to be grounded so the cabin could be fumigated

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I shit you not the lady sitting next to me just silently farted 20 seconds after my last post

    The lady next to me is my wife

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    chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
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    TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    Did she at least let out a big "HoooooWEEEEEEEE THAT'S RIPE!" after?

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    When your romantic partner farts quietly you gotta start sniffing and say, "Something smells good! Are they starting food service early??" While you crane around, trying to find the source.

    And then you kiss and renew your vows.

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    CelloCello Registered User regular
    The shoe thing is weird. I never take my shoes off for international flights.

    We only have to take them off if they're thick shoes for domestic flights which is kinda at the whim of CATSA (though rare)

    If you're travelling to the US though and doing pre-clearance on the Canadian side, we're subject to the US requirements, so we have to take them off (which I never remember to prepare for and then oops, barefoot in the big dumb cylinder scanner)

    At least our CATSA dudes are always incredibly chill at the Ottawa airport, I could tell nature was healing when they went back to asking me what games I was taking for the flight like in the pre-pandemic era

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    It’s been a year so here’s the speech again:
    September 11, 1973

    My friends,

    Surely this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the antennas of Radio Magallanes.

    My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath: soldiers of Chile, titular commanders in chief, Admiral Merino, who has designated himself Commander of the Navy, and Mr. Mendoza, the despicable general who only yesterday pledged his fidelity and loyalty to the Government, and who also has appointed himself Chief of the Carabineros [paramilitary police].

    Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign! Placed in a historic transition, I will pay for loyalty to the people with my life. And I say to them that I am certain that the seeds which we have planted in the good conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans will not be shriveled forever.

    They have force and will be able to dominate us, but social processes can be arrested by neither crime nor force. History is ours, and people make history.

    Workers of my country: I want to thank you for the loyalty that you always had, the confidence that you deposited in a man who was only an interpreter of great yearnings for justice, who gave his word that he would respect the Constitution and the law and did just that. At this definitive moment, the last moment when I can address you, I wish you to take advantage of the lesson: foreign capital, imperialism, together with the reaction, created the climate in which the Armed Forces broke their tradition, the tradition taught by General Schneider and reaffirmed by Commander Araya, victims of the same social sector who today are hoping, with foreign assistance, to re-conquer the power to continue defending their profits and their privileges.

    I address you, above all, the modest woman of our land, the campesina who believed in us, the mother who knew our concern for children. I address professionals of Chile, patriotic professionals who continued working against the sedition that was supported by professional associations, classist associations that also defended the advantages of capitalist society. I address the youth, those who sang and gave us their joy and their spirit of struggle. I address the man of Chile, the worker, the farmer, the intellectual, those who will be persecuted, because in our country fascism has been already present for many hours — in terrorist attacks, blowing up the bridges, cutting the railroad tracks, destroying the oil and gas pipelines, in the face of the silence of those who had the obligation to act. They were committed. History will judge them.

    Surely Radio Magallanes will be silenced, and the calm metal instrument of my voice will no longer reach you. It does not matter. You will continue hearing it. I will always be next to you. At least my memory will be that of a man of dignity who was loyal to his country.

    The people must defend themselves, but they must not sacrifice themselves. The people must not let themselves be destroyed or riddled with bullets, but they cannot be humiliated either.

    Workers of my country, I have faith in Chile and its destiny. Other men will overcome this dark and bitter moment when treason seeks to prevail. Go forward knowing that, sooner rather than later, the great avenues will open again and free men will walk through them to construct a better society.

    Long live Chile! Long live the people! Long live the workers!

    These are my last words, and I am certain that my sacrifice will not be in vain, I am certain that, at the very least, it will be a moral lesson that will punish felony, cowardice, and treason.

    https://library.brown.edu/create/modernlatinamerica/chapters/chapter-10-chile/primary-documents-w-accompanying-discussion-questions/document-25-final-speech-by-salvador-allende-1973/

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

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    The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    edited September 2023
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    I remember walking my grandmother to the gate, or when I flew alone as a kid having my parents walking me to the gate, and that stuff just doesn't happen anymore.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

    Its wild how much the price varies based on how long out you book it and whether or not its during a "busy weekend" on a holiday or something

    It was painful how much it cost to book last-minute July 4th weekend for my grandmother's funeral, but it was, you know... my grandmother's funeral

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I remember walking my grandmother to the gate, or when I flew alone as a kid having my parents walking me to the gate, and that stuff just doesn't happen anymore.

    Hell, somewhere around ~95, I was a cute talkitive kid obssessed with planes and flying for the very first time on a family trip, and my family got a flight attendent to take me into the cockpit and chat briefly with the pilots.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Air travel isn't something you have to do a lot of to develop a strong opinion about it.

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    I remember walking my grandmother to the gate, or when I flew alone as a kid having my parents walking me to the gate, and that stuff just doesn't happen anymore.

    Hell, somewhere around ~95, I was a cute talkitive kid obssessed with planes and flying for the very first time on a family trip, and my family got a flight attendent to take me into the cockpit and chat briefly with the pilots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2A194yTWoQ

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Yeah that scene always cracked me up when I got around seeing Airplane! Mine was a lot more wholesome :lol:

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I learned how to speak Jive just in case I needed it on a flight and it hasn’t come in handy once!

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Jokerman wrote: »
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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited September 2023
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

    I won't deny that it's expensive but like, so is every other form of travel?

    I've always lived on the other side of the US from parts of my family, and the only way to effectively see them has been flying. So it's kind of just felt like a fact of life to me that every couple of years you're going to have to drop a couple hundred bucks if you want to have a relationship with your blood relatives.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

    When I was at my brokest it was still cheaper to fly than to drive (not to mention the risk of an automotive disaster I'd have been unable to afford), so I'd skip lunch a few days a week for a few months and that'd eventually add up to a plane ticket

    But in a conversation about air travel I wouldn't necessarily divert to go, "Now just so you know all this air travel was morally righteous because I suffered an appropriate amount elsewhere," as that would be odd. Instead I would probably discuss the matter casually.

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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

    I won't deny that it's expensive but like, so is every other form of travel?

    I've always lived on the other side of the US from parts of my family, and the only way to effectively see them has been flying. So it's kind of just felt like a fact of life to me that every couple of years you're going to have to drop a couple hundred bucks if you want to have a relationship with your blood relatives.

    My grandmother would always drive us from Texas to Virginia every summer to see our dad and stay with him a month. After we got old enough she started having just the two of us fly there and then she'd drive up for the last week and we'd all drive home together. Flying is definitely faster, and worth the price honestly

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i rode on airplanes before 9/11 but i never thought to really make a note of my experience and have no memory whatsoever of what the terminal or security was like. i guess i should have been more observant just incase!

    The wild thing is how casual people talk about air travel

    That's a lot of money must be nice

    I won't deny that it's expensive but like, so is every other form of travel?

    I've always lived on the other side of the US from parts of my family, and the only way to effectively see them has been flying. So it's kind of just felt like a fact of life to me that every couple of years you're going to have to drop a couple hundred bucks if you want to have a relationship with your blood relatives.

    My grandmother would always drive us from Texas to Virginia every summer to see our dad and stay with him a month. After we got old enough she started having just the two of us fly there and then she'd drive up for the last week and we'd all drive home together. Flying is definitely faster, and worth the price honestly

    Yeah I encounter the "it's cheaper to drive" attitude a lot around my area, and I just simply disagree.

    Assuming you have a car (something that I would consider a pretty big assumption), even if you have a job that lets you take off the extra day it would take you to drive, that's a day of lost wages plus the cost of gas plus general wear and tear on the vehicle. And that's assuming you can make it there in a single shot, which if you're traveling by yourself or with people who can't drive, might be a bit more of a challenge.

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