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I don't know how it first came across my radar, but at some point over the last few years I started reading DrowTales. The weird part about it is that it fantasy schtick should have put it right up my alley when it started in 2001, but its existence eluded me. I don't know what it would be like to follow a webcomic over two decades and I don't know if any webcomic starting these days can have that kind of stamina. Anyway, the comic is wrapping up the epilogue right now and I am surprisingly invested in these characters that I've only known for maybe 15% of their total existence. I'm not linking to it because there's what I expect is porn locked behind some paywalls and that might be edging close to some forums rules.
Post some web stories, talk about some web stories, and eat your breakfast before it gets cold.
So remember my melancholic "remember the good ol' days of webcomics" post from late last thread? Well, that's set me on the generally stupid course of well, rereading all of Sluggy Freelance. This was probably a mistake, but I'm like eight years in already, so probably too late to stop now. Plus, I'm genuinely curious how far I got when I stopped the first time around and if I can figure out what motivated me to stop (besides Homestuck starting about the same time.)
Out of curiosity, are there podcasts dedicated to going over long-running webcomics (besides Homestuck, since you can't throw a rock without hitting a podcast about that,) or the history of webcomics in general?
You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
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I feel bad that Abbadon seems to have hit critical popularity level where the shithead fans more or less equal or slightly outnumber the non shithead fans.
Like his big bad cosmic god fight brought in a lot of new fans that are now like "what is this bullshit where's the punchy punchy", nevermind some of the hottakes about what he's revealed about the universe/multiverse in K6BD.
There has been some Rick and Morty levels of "you're probably not smart enough to understand what you're writing about" absolutely dogshit takes and I'm sure more than few of those shitheads made sure they sent them to Abbadon.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
I feel bad that Abbadon seems to have hit critical popularity level where the shithead fans more or less equal or slightly outnumber the non shithead fans.
Like his big bad cosmic god fight brought in a lot of new fans that are now like "what is this bullshit where's the punchy punchy", nevermind some of the hottakes about what he's revealed about the universe/multiverse in K6BD.
There has been some Rick and Morty levels of "you're probably not smart enough to understand what you're writing about" absolutely dogshit takes and I'm sure more than few of those shitheads made sure they sent them to Abbadon.
I honestly doubt this, it's more likely just higher signal to noise because twitter exists and amplifies everything to elevenses
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
The lack of like punching is not what's gotten on my nerves about this past several updates of K6BD, it's that there is not much interesting about having a person beg a character to believe that the world is entirely deterministic.
I'm interested in the conceptual stuff, what it means for the universe the story takes place in and how it relates to the thesis of the story but the actual dialog doesn't grab me at all. It spends a lot of time saying something I think you can squeeze into like two sentences.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
I dunno if I'd call it jobbing for a character to lose to the dude that everybody is saying would definitely win in a fight easy.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
I dunno if I'd call it jobbing for a character to lose to the dude that everybody is saying would definitely win in a fight easy.
It's kinda funny that the "twist" of that fight is that it goes exactly how we are told it would go. There are no last minute power-up, surprising alliances, characters pushing past their limits....
I am seeing the current arc with Jadis as a battle, both against Jadis, and against depression and shock.
As someone that's battled with depression all their life, I can say that it'd probably be easier to twist Jagganoth's dick than it is to win against depression.
I don't know how it first came across my radar, but at some point over the last few years I started reading DrowTales. The weird part about it is that it fantasy schtick should have put it right up my alley when it started in 2001, but its existence eluded me. I don't know what it would be like to follow a webcomic over two decades and I don't know if any webcomic starting these days can have that kind of stamina. Anyway, the comic is wrapping up the epilogue right now and I am surprisingly invested in these characters that I've only known for maybe 15% of their total existence. I'm not linking to it because there's what I expect is porn locked behind some paywalls and that might be edging close to some forums rules.
Post some web stories, talk about some web stories, and eat your breakfast before it gets cold.
The revamp Kern did helped a lot with more problematic parts of Drowtales and improved the art substantially that if you're looking for a big fantasy database to binge it's a pretty good one.
The lack of like punching is not what's gotten on my nerves about this past several updates of K6BD, it's that there is not much interesting about having a person beg a character to believe that the world is entirely deterministic.
I'm interested in the conceptual stuff, what it means for the universe the story takes place in and how it relates to the thesis of the story but the actual dialog doesn't grab me at all. It spends a lot of time saying something I think you can squeeze into like two sentences.
It is fairly common for the villain to express their viewpoint and try to convince the hero of it. Even if they're definitely supposed to be wrong, good villains will be at least somewhat convincing, otherwise they wouldn't believe it themselves. https://youtu.be/FrlymHW0qU8
In book form, the conversation won't be long at all and it's not like they've repeated the same information over and over. They've simply had a discussion with back and forth.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
Speaking of, I did find it interesting that Jadis didn't say whether Salami Dave is dead or alive, just that he's missing.
So remember my melancholic "remember the good ol' days of webcomics" post from late last thread? Well, that's set me on the generally stupid course of well, rereading all of Sluggy Freelance. This was probably a mistake, but I'm like eight years in already, so probably too late to stop now. Plus, I'm genuinely curious how far I got when I stopped the first time around and if I can figure out what motivated me to stop (besides Homestuck starting about the same time.)
Out of curiosity, are there podcasts dedicated to going over long-running webcomics (besides Homestuck, since you can't throw a rock without hitting a podcast about that,) or the history of webcomics in general?
I had a similar problem, Sluggy has a lot of non-canon side stories, filler arcs, and sporadic update schedule so if you hit a couple of those in a row it’s easy to lose interest. Going into it by reading the archives allows you to skip those easily though.
The main arcs though tend to be okay.
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It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
Speaking of, I did find it interesting that Jadis didn't say whether Salami Dave is dead or alive, just that he's missing.
Solomon is busy.
Nursing that L.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
Frankly of all the Demiurges fighting ol' Jag he had the best showing.
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
I dunno if I'd call it jobbing for a character to lose to the dude that everybody is saying would definitely win in a fight easy.
It's kinda funny that the "twist" of that fight is that it goes exactly how we are told it would go. There are no last minute power-up, surprising alliances, characters pushing past their limits....
Or rather there are and they do NOTHING.
This is how every fight has gone in the comic. Every last minute power up, surprising alliance, pushing past limits has been cool in the moment and then ultimately led to absolutely zero success whatsoever. I can absolutely understand people tired of the "hey isn't this AWESOME!?" *ten pages later* "lol you thought that was awesome turns out it wasn't shit" loop.
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Out of curiosity, are there podcasts dedicated to going over long-running webcomics (besides Homestuck, since you can't throw a rock without hitting a podcast about that,) or the history of webcomics in general?
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Like his big bad cosmic god fight brought in a lot of new fans that are now like "what is this bullshit where's the punchy punchy", nevermind some of the hottakes about what he's revealed about the universe/multiverse in K6BD.
There has been some Rick and Morty levels of "you're probably not smart enough to understand what you're writing about" absolutely dogshit takes and I'm sure more than few of those shitheads made sure they sent them to Abbadon.
Darths & Droids
Dumbing of Age
You can do anything if it's For Science.
The Jadis section starts on page 121
It just seems very silly to me to act like this has been some kind of interminable limbo when it's only about 25% as long as the Jagganoth fight before it, which was the most pedal-to-the-metal high-octane anime bullshit battle the comic has done so far, second only to the battle royale/solomon-white chain fight that immediately preceded it.
Remember this sick fuckin page?
An archival reader could very easily get from this to the current page in only a sitting or two. I know that when you're following a webcomic as it's releasing it can make the time feel extremely decompressed and everything feels like it takes like 5 times longer, but this jadis stuff just hasn't been going on that long at all. People are belly-aching over like a grand total of two whole conversations, which incidentally have provided a bunch of long-withheld exposition about a character that's been a weird mystery since nearly the beginning of the story. The flip-side of the time compression thing is that it's been literal years since there's been any downtime for characters to just sit and talk; it last happened just after the above page back in 2020. So it just seems doofy to act like slowing things down for the first time in two years for a whopping couple dozen pages is some egregious failure of pacing
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I honestly doubt this, it's more likely just higher signal to noise because twitter exists and amplifies everything to elevenses
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Gotta investigate boops
And then Solomon turned out to be a jobber for Jagganoth.
Tourist Unknown
I'm interested in the conceptual stuff, what it means for the universe the story takes place in and how it relates to the thesis of the story but the actual dialog doesn't grab me at all. It spends a lot of time saying something I think you can squeeze into like two sentences.
I dunno if I'd call it jobbing for a character to lose to the dude that everybody is saying would definitely win in a fight easy.
It's kinda funny that the "twist" of that fight is that it goes exactly how we are told it would go. There are no last minute power-up, surprising alliances, characters pushing past their limits....
Or rather there are and they do NOTHING.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
As someone that's battled with depression all their life, I can say that it'd probably be easier to twist Jagganoth's dick than it is to win against depression.
https://youtu.be/1E1VY4KOghI
Poorly Drawn Lines
The revamp Kern did helped a lot with more problematic parts of Drowtales and improved the art substantially that if you're looking for a big fantasy database to binge it's a pretty good one.
It is fairly common for the villain to express their viewpoint and try to convince the hero of it. Even if they're definitely supposed to be wrong, good villains will be at least somewhat convincing, otherwise they wouldn't believe it themselves.
https://youtu.be/FrlymHW0qU8
In book form, the conversation won't be long at all and it's not like they've repeated the same information over and over. They've simply had a discussion with back and forth.
Speaking of, I did find it interesting that Jadis didn't say whether Salami Dave is dead or alive, just that he's missing.
I had a similar problem, Sluggy has a lot of non-canon side stories, filler arcs, and sporadic update schedule so if you hit a couple of those in a row it’s easy to lose interest. Going into it by reading the archives allows you to skip those easily though.
The main arcs though tend to be okay.
Nursing that L.
Frankly of all the Demiurges fighting ol' Jag he had the best showing.
SMBC
The Golden Boar
Blade Maidens
Turns out he's in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
Punching himself in the nuts to fortify the spirit
This is how every fight has gone in the comic. Every last minute power up, surprising alliance, pushing past limits has been cool in the moment and then ultimately led to absolutely zero success whatsoever. I can absolutely understand people tired of the "hey isn't this AWESOME!?" *ten pages later* "lol you thought that was awesome turns out it wasn't shit" loop.
id say give it the time it needs
In today's Barbarous, AAHHH look at Leeds in his little truck!
God bless that woman and her writing/artistic abilities
http://www.audioentropy.com/