Started my Colombo watch based on the Rex list youse gave me. First impression is that it’s very engaging. Unfortunately, I watched the guest actor walk under a suspended load in a flagrant disregard for OHS regulation. I’m not sure I can in good faith continue!!!
The Good Place is quite good but the ending still sucks out loud
I initially hated the ending but have turned around on it.
Given everything that happened beforehand it felt kind of weird for the characters to just give up on making eternity something people would want to experience, but I can see how the creators of the show would rather make the final episode of their show about dead people be about death than about them fixing the Good Place.
What are you two talking about? They did succeed. They succeeded and basked in their success for eternity before moving on.
The problem with the good place was that the point system was so wrecked, mostly through capitalism, that no one after a certain date could earn enough to get into the Good Place.
So they altered the system. The Bad Place is used as a training ground for people to improve their behavior after death. Just like the Soul Squad improves during the show, regular people can too. And that improvement boosts your score to get into the Good Place.
Just like Michael says, no one is above rehabilitation.
Then after you get in, you enjoy the spoils of the Good Place for as long as you want. Then when you're ready you go through the door and are transferred to a small ball of energy which acts as a small bump to someone's conscience.
That acts as a way to help someone be better when they are alive./spoiler]
The whole show is about self reflection and improvement. How no one is inherently good or bad and being good requires constant work.
The Good Place is quite good but the ending still sucks out loud
I initially hated the ending but have turned around on it.
Given everything that happened beforehand it felt kind of weird for the characters to just give up on making eternity something people would want to experience, but I can see how the creators of the show would rather make the final episode of their show about dead people be about death than about them fixing the Good Place.
What are you two talking about? They did succeed. They succeeded and basked in their success for eternity before moving on.
The problem with the good place was that the point system was so wrecked, mostly through capitalism, that no one after a certain date could earn enough to get into the Good Place.
So they altered the system. The Bad Place is used as a training ground for people to improve their behavior after death. Just like the Soul Squad improves during the show, regular people can too. And that improvement boosts your score to get into the Good Place.
Just like Michael says, no one is above rehabilitation.
Then after you get in, you enjoy the spoils of the Good Place for as long as you want. Then when you're ready you go through the door and are transferred to a small ball of energy which acts as a small bump to someone's conscience.
That acts as a way to help someone be better when they are alive./spoiler]
The whole show is about self reflection and improvement. How no one is inherently good or bad and being good requires constant work.
The Good Place ended good.
Yes
It ends with them coming to the conclusion that the way to make eternity palpable is to invent an eventual death. Which I don't have a huge problem but that's pretty clearly a bit of a cheat.
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
The Good Place is quite good but the ending still sucks out loud
I initially hated the ending but have turned around on it.
Given everything that happened beforehand it felt kind of weird for the characters to just give up on making eternity something people would want to experience, but I can see how the creators of the show would rather make the final episode of their show about dead people be about death than about them fixing the Good Place.
What are you two talking about? They did succeed. They succeeded and basked in their success for eternity before moving on.
The problem with the good place was that the point system was so wrecked, mostly through capitalism, that no one after a certain date could earn enough to get into the Good Place.
So they altered the system. The Bad Place is used as a training ground for people to improve their behavior after death. Just like the Soul Squad improves during the show, regular people can too. And that improvement boosts your score to get into the Good Place.
Just like Michael says, no one is above rehabilitation.
Then after you get in, you enjoy the spoils of the Good Place for as long as you want. Then when you're ready you go through the door and are transferred to a small ball of energy which acts as a small bump to someone's conscience.
That acts as a way to help someone be better when they are alive./spoiler]
The whole show is about self reflection and improvement. How no one is inherently good or bad and being good requires constant work.
The Good Place ended good.
Yes
It ends with them coming to the conclusion that the way to make eternity palpable is to invent an eventual death. Which I don't have a huge problem but that's pretty clearly a bit of a cheat.
Actually
Schur says hes not even sure thats what always happens or even if that you specifically become that or its an effect of entering the door. He wanted to leave it vague and remind people of the wave metaphor wheter he got that across is up for debate
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Lance Reddick also steals the show in John Wick, no easy feat.
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
But worse would be an existence where other people have chosen to move on.
Like, to me the end solution sounds hellish, because you've given me a never-ending life of everything I'd ever want (cool, love it), but you've made it so that the people I love can (and implicitly will) eventually choose to leave me. That's essentially playing off of some of my worst fears, that no matter how good I make myself, no matter how much I'm able to do for the people around me, they'll still ultimately grow bored with me and leave me alone.
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Started my Colombo watch based on the Rex list youse gave me. First impression is that it’s very engaging. Unfortunately, I watched the guest actor walk under a suspended load in a flagrant disregard for OHS regulation. I’m not sure I can in good faith continue!!!
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
But worse would be an existence where other people have chosen to move on.
Like, to me the end solution sounds hellish, because you've given me a never-ending life of everything I'd ever want (cool, love it), but you've made it so that the people I love can (and implicitly will) eventually choose to leave me. That's essentially playing off of some of my worst fears, that no matter how good I make myself, no matter how much I'm able to do for the people around me, they'll still ultimately grow bored with me and leave me alone.
Oh, wow. I've never thought of it that way.
To me the idea of eternity with or without everything I've ever wanted is the most horrific thing I think I could contemplate. I think the fact that life ends and the relationships we generate in that finite time is what gives our actions meanings.
I don't think a friend leaving that same existence would have any impact on me. They made their own call for their own eternity and I don't think it would have anything to do with me.
I am in the business of saving lives.
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
My first ever panic attack was when I was like thirteen years old. I was in bed trying to get to sleep and instead my brain decided to try to get to grips with the concept of eternity. I actually woke my parents up and told them I thought I was having a heart attack, which was not a helpful ideation under the circumstances.
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
But worse would be an existence where other people have chosen to move on.
Like, to me the end solution sounds hellish, because you've given me a never-ending life of everything I'd ever want (cool, love it), but you've made it so that the people I love can (and implicitly will) eventually choose to leave me. That's essentially playing off of some of my worst fears, that no matter how good I make myself, no matter how much I'm able to do for the people around me, they'll still ultimately grow bored with me and leave me alone.
this is a tremendous weight to put on yourself, bearing sole responsibility for making eternity attractive to everyone around you
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
But worse would be an existence where other people have chosen to move on.
Like, to me the end solution sounds hellish, because you've given me a never-ending life of everything I'd ever want (cool, love it), but you've made it so that the people I love can (and implicitly will) eventually choose to leave me. That's essentially playing off of some of my worst fears, that no matter how good I make myself, no matter how much I'm able to do for the people around me, they'll still ultimately grow bored with me and leave me alone.
this is a tremendous weight to put on yourself, bearing sole responsibility for making eternity attractive to everyone around you
I mean, I agree
That's part of why I don't like the ending of The Good Place
(it's a fine ending as it stands, honestly, but I disagree with it philosophically and I felt like the show... kind of glazed over the feelings that I have that were mirrored by the characters in the show)
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
It's that last part I have a problem with.
Why does that have to be the case, and why accept that instead of trying to fix it like they tried to fix everything else? IIRC even one of the philosophers they consulted during the making of the show didn't agree with the concept of getting bored of eternity being inevitable and said she hoped that Tahani would figure out a way to fix it.
Personally I would imagine that an afterlife like that of the Good Place would develop its own sort of unique culture, which would keep things fresh. Plus the human brain doesn't remember everything perfectly, so there's no reason for the characters to even remember that they've done everything imaginable given a long enough period of time unless the Good Place just doesn't let people forget things, which seems like a problem that could be fixed.
As someone who has watched somewhere into the second season of The Good Place live, and just hasn't gotten around to finishing the show, I truly appreciate all the spoiler tags!
They don't invent eventful death, it's just an option. It's not even framed as death, but moving on from the Good Place. They only describe it as peaceful.
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
It's that last part I have a problem with.
Why does that have to be the case, and why accept that instead of trying to fix it like they tried to fix everything else? IIRC even one of the philosophers they consulted during the making of the show didn't agree with the concept of getting bored of eternity being inevitable and said she hoped that Tahani would figure out a way to fix it.
Personally I would imagine that an afterlife like that of the Good Place would develop its own sort of unique culture, which would keep things fresh. Plus the human brain doesn't remember everything perfectly, so there's no reason for the characters to even remember that they've done everything imaginable given a long enough period of time unless the Good Place just doesn't let people forget things, which seems like a problem that could be fixed.
They no longer HAVE human brains, it seems like their souls lack some of the limitations of that form. Chidi would have probably just have had a stroke and died seeing the Time-Knife with his human brain.
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There's a lot to mine from people who are good at one type of rules-based competence being told no over and over when they're in a slightly different place. The one in Canadian court is also great.
As a former Catholic I believe it's the only ending of The Good Place they could have gone with.
The problem is if you take the pop culture idea of Heaven seriously, that's a child's understanding of an eternal reward. Oh you can eat candy whatever you want and Jesus will ride a rainbow horse and hang out with you and you won't ever get bored, sure buddy. And I was taught from a young age about how this was silly, because eternity is a mind shattering concept you can't solve with more human pleasures. Fortunately, theologians who were very smart spent a lot of time thinking about this, so what actually is heaven if you read more the Jesus top 10? Well I don't like it, actually. The solution to the problem of eternity is to make you no longer human. As a human I cannot relate to this in any way. Infinite, perfect happiness simply by being able to directly perceive God in His Glory sounds to me like whatever it is has changed me into something else that I don't have a name for. If it makes sense to you that our purpose is to praise God for eternity because He deserves it as the infinitely perfect being, I guess that's beautiful. But you can't put that in the TV show.
So what do you with the end of this TV show? What else can you do but end eternity? I don't really agree with the idea that the end is what gives meaning, I think that's just trying to invent an upside to death, but our human brains can't process forever. So I guess we have to take the meaning what we can get.
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As a former Catholic I believe it's the only ending of The Good Place they could have gone with.
The problem is if you take the pop culture idea of Heaven seriously, that's a child's understanding of an eternal reward. Oh you can eat candy whatever you want and Jesus will ride a rainbow horse and hang out with you and you won't ever get bored, sure buddy. And I was taught from a young age about how this was silly, because eternity is a mind shattering concept you can't solve with more human pleasures. Fortunately, theologians who were very smart spent a lot of time thinking about this, so what actually is heaven if you read more the Jesus top 10? Well I don't like it, actually. The solution to the problem of eternity is to make you no longer human. As a human I cannot relate to this in any way. Infinite, perfect happiness simply by being able to directly perceive God in His Glory sounds to me like whatever it is has changed me into something else that I don't have a name for. If it makes sense to you that our purpose is to praise God for eternity because He deserves it as the infinitely perfect being, I guess that's beautiful. But you can't put that in the TV show.
So what do you with the end of this TV show? What else can you do but end eternity? I don't really agree with the idea that the end is what gives meaning, I think that's just trying to invent an upside to death, but our human brains can't process forever. So I guess we have to take the meaning what we can get.
Tomasso Aquino isn't intellectually fair and may not have been completely human himself. He was a sophisticated logical machine sent back in time to make 13th century scholastics have mental breakdowns and existential crises.
I can follow Bertrand Russell's gnarly and obtuse (but perfectly cogent) proofs without many problems, but some of the constructions in Tom's Summa are as dense as the thornbushes in the 7th circle of Dante's hell.
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I hope Kalinda's final deep dark secret is that she's British and she thinks she's been fooling everyone, but no. They all know. Her accent's been slipping for years.
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I need more Evil. When the fuck does that come back?
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
Lockwood & Co has been surprisingly good, off of the first few episodes.
I love a trashy teen supernatural affair and I've liked Cornish's movies, so I was pretty bought in already, but even with that I was surprised with how legitimately good I found it. Probably not breaking any truly new ground, but if you enjoy teens fighting ghosts then I'd definitely recommend it.
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Half way into the third season of The Good Wife and this is easily my most consistent reaction while watching this series:
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Jackie Florrick is one of the most enraging characters I have ever encountered on a tv show.
Lockwood & Co has been surprisingly good, off of the first few episodes.
I love a trashy teen supernatural affair and I've liked Cornish's movies, so I was pretty bought in already, but even with that I was surprised with how legitimately good I found it. Probably not breaking any truly new ground, but if you enjoy teens fighting ghosts then I'd definitely recommend it.
Oh yeah, I mentioned it briefly, but my wife and I finished it and it was surprisingly good. Just like, top notch execution of the YA supernatural urban fantasy thing. Like you said, nothing groundbreaking, but really good, likeable characters, solid villains, a constantly shifting status quo that moved the plot along at a nice pace, and substantially more style than it strictly needed to have.
This kind of show is very much her jam, but I was really surprised how much I enjoyed it, too.
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That's why it's called suspension of disbelief
What are you two talking about? They did succeed. They succeeded and basked in their success for eternity before moving on.
So they altered the system. The Bad Place is used as a training ground for people to improve their behavior after death. Just like the Soul Squad improves during the show, regular people can too. And that improvement boosts your score to get into the Good Place.
Just like Michael says, no one is above rehabilitation.
Then after you get in, you enjoy the spoils of the Good Place for as long as you want. Then when you're ready you go through the door and are transferred to a small ball of energy which acts as a small bump to someone's conscience.
That acts as a way to help someone be better when they are alive./spoiler]
The whole show is about self reflection and improvement. How no one is inherently good or bad and being good requires constant work.
The Good Place ended good.
Yes
And not everyone takes the option. Tahabi becomes an architect.
And I think it's the only option that makes any kind of sense. Eternity in the Good Place is horrifying. A never ending life of everything you want at all times is meaningless precisely because it never ends, that's how you get all the nihilistic apathetic Good Place people.
Actually
And The Guest.
Like, to me the end solution sounds hellish, because you've given me a never-ending life of everything I'd ever want (cool, love it), but you've made it so that the people I love can (and implicitly will) eventually choose to leave me. That's essentially playing off of some of my worst fears, that no matter how good I make myself, no matter how much I'm able to do for the people around me, they'll still ultimately grow bored with me and leave me alone.
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Oh, wow. I've never thought of it that way.
I don't think a friend leaving that same existence would have any impact on me. They made their own call for their own eternity and I don't think it would have anything to do with me.
That's part of why I don't like the ending of The Good Place
(it's a fine ending as it stands, honestly, but I disagree with it philosophically and I felt like the show... kind of glazed over the feelings that I have that were mirrored by the characters in the show)
It's that last part I have a problem with.
Personally I would imagine that an afterlife like that of the Good Place would develop its own sort of unique culture, which would keep things fresh. Plus the human brain doesn't remember everything perfectly, so there's no reason for the characters to even remember that they've done everything imaginable given a long enough period of time unless the Good Place just doesn't let people forget things, which seems like a problem that could be fixed.
People really love Cricket, I guess.
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And it's going to be hilarious.
1.28 billion people watched the T20 world cup on TV just 4 months ago https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/icc-2022-t20-world-cup-cricket-digital-engagement-viewership/?zephr_sso_ott=z4XQQs
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I also love Will getting thrown into courts he has no experience in and watching him flounder.
So what do you with the end of this TV show? What else can you do but end eternity? I don't really agree with the idea that the end is what gives meaning, I think that's just trying to invent an upside to death, but our human brains can't process forever. So I guess we have to take the meaning what we can get.
Tomasso Aquino isn't intellectually fair and may not have been completely human himself. He was a sophisticated logical machine sent back in time to make 13th century scholastics have mental breakdowns and existential crises.
I can follow Bertrand Russell's gnarly and obtuse (but perfectly cogent) proofs without many problems, but some of the constructions in Tom's Summa are as dense as the thornbushes in the 7th circle of Dante's hell.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Summer of this year…UGH
https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1JI9WWSRW1YJI
Okay, which one of you fever dreamed this into existence?
Alt text: how this thread decides what to watch.
They resuscitated me and fortunately by then the commercial was over.
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I loved it
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I love a trashy teen supernatural affair and I've liked Cornish's movies, so I was pretty bought in already, but even with that I was surprised with how legitimately good I found it. Probably not breaking any truly new ground, but if you enjoy teens fighting ghosts then I'd definitely recommend it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1JI9WWSRW1YJI
Oh yeah, I mentioned it briefly, but my wife and I finished it and it was surprisingly good. Just like, top notch execution of the YA supernatural urban fantasy thing. Like you said, nothing groundbreaking, but really good, likeable characters, solid villains, a constantly shifting status quo that moved the plot along at a nice pace, and substantially more style than it strictly needed to have.
This kind of show is very much her jam, but I was really surprised how much I enjoyed it, too.